Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

yop

Green Peter wrote: »

Even if Mayo beat Roscommon when they are eventually beaten they will blame tiredness and all the draws for losing again. The draws were against very average teams and came from dominant positions where they let teams back in. This mayo team has played to 110% of its ability at times in the past to reach finals and that's a credit to them but Mayo's 110% is 90% of what is needed to win an all Ireland. Unfortunately Mayo are now at about 85% of themselves and way short of an all Ireland challenge this year!!

Your posts about us been put to the sword didn't go too well did they? How did your lads do Sunday, Kerry barely had to use a pen knife to continue that 17 year winless streak in Croker in the championship. Galway were embarrassing.

Green Peter

yop wrote:

Your posts about us been put to the sword didn't go too well did they? How did your lads do Sunday, Kerry barely had to use a pen knife to continue that 17 year winless streak in Croker in the championship. Galway were embarrassing.

I've seen my county win two all Ireland's in my lifetime and I consider myself young, seen Sam paraded in my local village by local players, I've every faith I'll see it again. In the early 90s Galway were in Division 3 and many of the 98 team being ridiculed . When we are good enough to get to a final we'll do the business like 98 and 01

happyoutscan

I have to say I was pleasantly surprised with the Rossies I met and those around me. Great bunch and good craic, best experience I've had and certainly nice for a change! However that wasn't the case for plenty of other supporters which is an absolute shame.

As for the match, we will beat Roscommon next week but that will be about it. The team seems so jaded, it's hard to see where the energy is going to come from, surely the lure of a Kerry team waiting for them can do that?

Unfortunately Rochford doesn't seem to be up to the task and his continuation with Caff is absolutely mind-boggling. Absolutely mind-boggling. It's a shame that Kevin Keane is injured as this could have been his year. Not the fastest but a definite improvement on Cafferkey.

I'm saying I'm not going to travel but I know I will.

km79

happyoutscan wrote: »

I have to say I was pleasantly surprised with the Rossies I met and those around me. Great bunch and good craic, best experience I've had and certainly nice for a change! However that wasn't the case for plenty of other supporters which is an absolute shame.

As for the match, we will beat Roscommon next week but that will be about it. The team seems so jaded, it's hard to see where the energy is going to come from, surely the lure of a Kerry team waiting for them can do that?

Unfortunately Rochford doesn't seem to be up to the task and his continuation with Caff is absolutely mind-boggling. Absolutely mind-boggling. It's a shame that Kevin Keane is injured as this could have been his year. Not the fastest but a definite improvement on Cafferkey.

I'm saying I'm not going to travel but I know I will.

Kevin Keane was available last year when caff was injured
We ended up playing with no full back rather than play him

He is not and never will be an improvement on Caff. I'm still hoping all this games will bring him on. Thought he was better the last day again

PARlance

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Colm Keys on the podcast thinking that Mayo are disappointed because they did not get a chance to get into the SF a week ahead of their opponent.

He thinks they are playing Tyrone or someone from that side of the draw next.

Seriously poor from a national journalist.

I have children under the age of 8 who knew that the winners of the two games on Sunday play each other next.

I was listening to it as I was nodding off... thought I was dreaming. The other lads didn't exactly jump in to save him. He must have said it a few times too.

My 3 & 4 year old know Kerry lie await. The missus being a cute whore herself has been trying to poach at least one. My 3 yo son put her in her place fairly lively

Shurimgreat

It won't bring him on though. He was never good in the air which is the fundamental raison d'etre of a full back. He barely jumps.

Saying "he might improve" is just setting us up for a massive fail. Nice guy I am sure but not a top quality inter county full back sorry to say. I will put it bluntly, there isn't a hope in hell of Mayo ever winning an AI with him at full back.

km79

PARlance wrote: »

I was listening to it as I was nodding off... thought I was dreaming. The other lads didn't exactly jump in to save him. He must have said it a few times too.

My 3 & 4 year old know Kerry lie await. The missus being a cute whore herself has been trying to poach at least one. My 3 yo son put her in her place fairly lively

Maybe it would be for the best .............:D

Just kidding never give in
It will happen for us
Sometime
And what a time that will be

happyoutscan

km79 wrote: »

Kevin Keane was available last year when caff was injured
We ended up playing with no full back rather than play him

He is not and never will be an improvement on Caff. I'm still hoping all this games will bring him on. Thought he was better the last day again

If you can show me where Caff improved the last day I'd appreciate it. He was hopeless, as he has been since his return.

km79

happyoutscan wrote: »

If you can show me where Caff improved the last day I'd appreciate it. He was hopeless, as he has been since his return.

He was more aggressive and attacked the Ball better
He slipped a few times as many did
He definitely was better than the game before
He was far from hopeless

Kevin Keane was dropped last year when we had no other FB option . Rochford decided having no FB was better than playing him FB. We lost the AI replay by a point so we wwnt fairly welll

His enforced abscence through injury seems to have improved him no end on some people's eyes .......abscence makes the heart grow fonder and all that

At least people have stopped calling for Stephen Coen to be thrown in at FB

Comic Book Guy

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

Up early for work and looking at some of the posts about Roscommon fans behaviour on Sunday. As we all witnessed Andy Moran was booed throughout. But let's be honest this isn't new behaviour from Roscommon fans. I'll never forget a young Cillian O'Connor getting horrific booing in the 2011 Connacht Final taking frees and I'll also never forget the digs and abuse I took that day in the terrace in the Hyde and in 2014 too. Classless supporters and always appear to have been IMO. And it deserves to be pointed out.

Kerry / Cork, Mayo / Galway, Limerick / Clare. There are them and many more great GAA rivalries but none of them games are marred the way Roscommon fans manage to do by just behaving unsportingly and really against the ethos of the GAA.

As a Mayo man I obviously want us to win the replay, and I like McStay. But for them Roscommon fans showing up their county and our province with their sh*te, well I hope we fcking batter them and Andy Moran hits a hat trick. Classless.

Bit of a generalisation about Roscommon supporters? Look I'm not going to defend the actions of the idiots that Booed Andy as it has no place in the GAA. I found it utterly embarrassing and with sod's law being what it is I have a horrible feeling of the punishment Andy could unleash next Monday and if he does fair play to him.
What I would say is that nobody in the section around me was involved and while emotions flared up on a couple of occasions in second half with referee decisions either way it was all good natured. TBH I think it might have been the best atmosphere I have experienced at a Roscommon game and both sets of fans made it.
I remember being at the 2009 semi final in Castlebar, from memory the half time score was 3-10 to a single point and a few idiots starting jeering and laughing in myself and my mates face at half time. Should I paint the majority of Mayo fans in a similar light, I think I would be the idiot then.

Anyways, looking forward to hopefully another tight tussle on Monday. See ye there!

happyoutscan

km79 wrote: »

He was more aggressive and attacked the Ball better
He slipped a few times as many did
He definitely was better than the game before
He was far from hopeless

Kevin Keane was dropped last year when we had no other FB option . Rochford decided having no FB was better than playing him FB. We lost the AI replay by a point so we wwnt fairly welll

His enforced abscence through injury seems to have improved him no end on some people's eyes .......abscence makes the heart grow fonder and all that

At least people have stopped calling for Stephen Coen to be thrown in at FB

Cafferkey was second to every ball (did he even win one?), looked aimless and I certainly didn't see any aggression from him. And this was against Roscommon.

Shurimgreat

km79 wrote: »

He was more aggressive and attacked the Ball better
He slipped a few times as many did
He definitely was better than the game before
He was far from hopeless

Kevin Keane was dropped last year when we had no other FB option . Rochford decided having no FB was better than playing him FB. We lost the AI replay by a point so we wwnt fairly welll

His enforced abscence through injury seems to have improved him no end on some people's eyes .......abscence makes the heart grow fonder and all that

At least people have stopped calling for Stephen Coen to be thrown in at FB

But Caff didn't play last year. You've kind of undermined your argument there. We played reasonably well last year. This year we've been a disaster. Its not the defences fault in full of course. We've been poor all over the field. But we need to start making changes. Oddly enough with the right changes we could beat Roscommon and we could put it up to Kerry. With no changes I fancy Roscommon to beat us.

keane2097

Which podcast is that one ye are talking about?

Seámus-Púbach

Theres nearly a case to be made to start most of the bench from Sunday in the replay.

Fresh legs and points to prove could be the way to go considering some players looked bolloxed.

Fr Tod Umptious

keane2097 wrote: »

Which podcast is that one ye are talking about?

Mayo News GAA podcast.

I don't have a link to it cos I listen to it on Podcast Republic on the phone.

They are doing 2 shows a week these days the way the games are coming thick and fast.

Did you listen to Terrace Talk last night ?

I have always felt a certain amount of nervousness from Kerry media contributors with regards to Mayo "still hanging around"

Regardless of how Mayo are stumbling they seem to we wary of the fact they are still in it.

I'd imagine many would like to see them off the stage long ago and with them the possibility of a Kerry v Mayo SF

PARlance

keane2097 wrote: »

Which podcast is that one ye are talking about?

The Mayo News (local paper) podcast, they do a football podcast on a Monday after ever game, so it has been weekly of late. With another preview one later in the week. It's purely focused on the Mayo games but I know a few from outside like to listen in too.

It was during last Friday's podcast when McHale proclaimed himself the greatest coach of all time

Kerry_2008

Stoner wrote: »

True but feck it there's about 1 or 2 lads in that Mayo forward line that you'd run through hot coals on the way to goal before attempting to slip them in for a goal.

Keegan knows how to score, there's 2 or 3 new defenders in the Mayo squad and zero forwards.
For example McLoughlan was a sweeper last year and not bad either by the end of the session, he's a passenger at half-forward imo.

Give it a lash change it up. Try something different at no 3 and give Keegan a shot at being a legend.

And Corny dont get to cocky, you'd still start Ger Black Card Brennan at 6 for us if you had the chance!
That was your call though.

I don't know if Keegan would be as good an attacked playing in the forwards. I know it sounds stupid but coming from the back /midfield he is always facing the ball and coming onto it. He has more time and space to watch the play develop and judge his run. Playing as a half forward he will have his back to goal a lot of the time.

Shurimgreat

PARlance wrote: »

The Mayo News (local paper) podcast, they do a football podcast on a Monday after every the games. With another preview one later in the week. It's purely focused on the Mayo games but I know a few from outside like to listening in too.

It was in last Friday's podcast when McHale proclaimed himself the greatest coach of all time

Sounds to me like he was joking. This is a complete non story tbh. In fact people need to stop taking pundits and shows like this seriously. Its what is done on the field that counts, not who said what afterwards.

Blackjack

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Sounds to me like he was joking. This is a complete non story tbh. In fact people need to stop taking pundits and shows like this seriously. Its what is done on the field that counts, not who said what afterwards.

From what I've seen and heard from Liam, I doubt he thought he was joking.

keane2097

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Mayo News GAA podcast.

I don't have a link to it cos I listen to it on Podcast Republic on the phone.

They are doing 2 shows a week these days the way the games are coming thick and fast.

Did you listen to Terrace Talk last night ?

I have always felt a certain amount of nervousness from Kerry media contributors with regards to Mayo "still hanging around"

Regardless of how Mayo are stumbling they seem to we wary of the fact they are still in it.

I'd imagine many would like to see them off the stage long ago and with them the possibility of a Kerry v Mayo SF

Haven't listened to it since last year, normally try to avoid giving in to the sickness till this time of year or I'd never get anything done.

I like Terrace Talk normally. They have some good people on it and it's a bit of craic. I wouldn't think much of some of the analysts in terms of actual analysis mind you.

I'm sure most people would be more nervous about playing Mayo than playing Roscommon. With Mayo you'd be fearing a level that we know they have achieved in the past, to fear Roscommon you'd be fearing a level they are only aspiring to.

PARlance

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Sounds to me like he was joking. This is a complete non story tbh. In fact people need to stop taking pundits and shows like this seriously. Its what is done on the field that counts, not who said what afterwards.

I don't think he was joking, he is an extremely confident guy. I wouldn't be getting worked up about it, I don't hate him at all and I wouldn't be that serious at the best of times. I doubt you will find many from Mayo that actually really dislike him.
It's not exactly a new phenomenon to knock a bit of craic out of someone who is extremely confident. I think it's fair game to give him a slagging about such comments. There's no malice in it.

Never trust a Mayo man with a year round tan. That goes for Maughen too.

Shurimgreat

Blackjack wrote: »

From what I've seen and heard from Liam, I doubt he thought he was joking.

Jose Mourinho thinks he's one of the greatest coaches of all time.

Again this is the biggest non story of all time.

Its the same old sh*te about trying to find reasons why McStay/McHale shouldn't manage the Mayo team.

Its got to the stage now where some people would prefer a hopeless manager to manage Mayo rather than a good one, because the good one might be a bit c*cky. Its all to do with ability, not who said what when or how big their boasts are.

Sometimes I despair with Mayo football and a large section of its followers who seem pretty clueless about the direction Mayo football should go in.

Kerry_2008

Can anyone send me a link to the mayo podcast? Im oo my phone and cant find it on my app.

PARlance

Kerry_2008 wrote: »

Can anyone send me a link to the mayo podcast? Im oo my phone and cant find it on my app.

On the phone too but if you search "The Mayo News" it should be there.

Farmer_3650

MaroonAndGreen wrote: »

Up early for work and looking at some of the posts about Roscommon fans behaviour on Sunday. As we all witnessed Andy Moran was booed throughout. But let's be honest this isn't new behaviour from Roscommon fans. I'll never forget a young Cillian O'Connor getting horrific booing in the 2011 Connacht Final taking frees and I'll also never forget the digs and abuse I took that day in the terrace in the Hyde and in 2014 too. Classless supporters and always appear to have been IMO. And it deserves to be pointed out.

Kerry / Cork, Mayo / Galway, Limerick / Clare. There are them and many more great GAA rivalries but none of them games are marred the way Roscommon fans manage to do by just behaving unsportingly and really against the ethos of the GAA.

As a Mayo man I obviously want us to win the replay, and I like McStay. But for them Roscommon fans showing up their county and our province with their sh*te, well I hope we fcking batter them and Andy Moran hits a hat trick. Classless.

I don't think it's fair to paint everyone with the same brush.

Kerry_2008

Got it. Found the site and just pulled the rss feed from it.

I always liked Liam McHale. Suppose i come from a basketball background as well. Met him a few times, seems like a nuce fella. Know someone he coached when he was with clare. Speaks very highly of him. Always said he was a no bullsh*t coach. He'd say straight out what he was thinking and if he thought you werent going well. But, would also try to point out how to improve. Was never criticism for the sake o f it

km79

happyoutscan wrote: »

Cafferkey was second to every ball (did he even win one?), looked aimless and I certainly didn't see any aggression from him. And this was against Roscommon.

Looks like ed Mcgreal is of the same opinion as myself
"Picked up cian Connolly who got little in the way of change from him . A solid display from the Ballina man after a poor outing in Limerick"

I thought he was more aggressive and attacked more ball when it would have been easy to hide after some of the OTT comments from his own counties supporters in the past week

Hoping for another improvement next week

Can't be easy coming back from such a bad injury so I admire him for that . If he is getting roasted he can be subbed . But he was in no way shape or form roasted the last day

MaroonAndGreen

Farmer_3650 wrote: »

I don't think it's fair to paint everyone with the same brush.

Yes you are correct. I was wrong to paint everyone with the same brush and make a generalisation. But isn't it a shame for the proper and good Roscommon football fans that people like me make the generalisation?

I apologise for doing it though, I know it's not all of them.

Blackjack

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Jose Mourinho thinks he's one of the greatest coaches of all time.

Again this is the biggest non story of all time.

Its the same old sh*te about trying to find reasons why McStay/McHale shouldn't manage the Mayo team.

Its got to the stage now where some people would prefer a hopeless manager to manage Mayo rather than a good one, because the good one might be a bit c*cky. Its all to do with ability, not who said what when or how big their boasts are.

Sometimes I despair with Mayo football and a large section of its followers who seem pretty clueless about the direction Mayo football should go in.

Good luck with any thesis you may ever have to do if that is how you draw conclusions about my thoughts on directions for Mayo football.
Seriously like, good luck, because you'll fail miserably.

PARlance

Seámus-Púbach wrote: »

Theres nearly a case to be made to start most of the bench from Sunday in the replay.

Fresh legs and points to prove could be the way to go considering some players looked bolloxed.

I would agree with that, it's probably a good time to freshen it up, we've plenty of strength in depth defensively.

There's no way I can see Rochford shaking things up as much as below, but I would consider:
Starting Vaughan and Coen who wouldn't dramatically change things. Boyle coming out if he has been charging an injury as rumoured... not sure on the other, trying Coen at FB for Caff would be bold (hi Km79 ).
Loftus for Andy wouldn't be crazy.
Hopefully Tom can come back in from the start, I would like to see him with both O'Sheas (they missed him big time the last day)... that would probably turn your focus to Diarmuid, Doherty or McLoughs as an impact. Despite his 2 great performances recently I would probably leave Doherty out. Purely on the basis that he is someone that can be used as an attacking impact sub... it may be needed again. I would have him starting against Kerry if we got through.