Dumping rubbish at beaches

Pinch Flat

So, the good weather is here and as sure as night follows day it means beaches and anywhere people congregate turning into open tips. Why can't people just bring home their rubbish? is it that difficult?

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/volunteers-disgust-as-photographs-show-tide-of-rubbish-on-beach-after-heatwave-weekend-just-one-week-after-massive-cleanup-35842064.html

https://lovindublin.com/pics/pictures-show-the-disgraceful-state-the-canal-was-left-in-this-weekend

Kimbot

They don't even have to bring it home. Theres plenty of bins around to dispose of their rubbish but nah thats too much effort for them.

whoopsadoodles

jonnycivic wrote: »

They don't even have to bring it home. Theres plenty of bins around to dispose of their rubbish but nah thats too much effort for them.

Well the second pic actually shows that the bins were completely overflowing, but people still left their crap beside it.

I don't understand it at all.

suicide_circus

Ignorant, lazy, selfish and antisocial.

Kimbot

whoopsadoodles wrote: »

Well the second pic actually shows that the bins were completely overflowing, but people still left their crap beside it.

I don't understand it at all.

Well leaving it by the bin more than likely the bin men will take it and dispose of it. Leaving it all over the ground and its not gonig to get cleaned up. They should have litter wardens out to sort this out in fairness.

Sure the sea will take it away.

razorblunt

I can understand leaving it by the bin, yes it's unsightly, but one would think the council may take proactive action and schedule an early morning pickup the day after a reasonably good day weather wise.

Leaving it by the bin is definitely preferred to leaving it on the beach itself.

Wheeliebin30

Cause were a nation of self centred out for themselves horrible people.

Don't know what has happened in the last decade but it's depressing.

It's why we can't have nice things, people just ruin it.

GBX

Rubbish dumping in general be it at beaches is disgusting and ignorant.

Pinch Flat

razorblunt wrote: »

I can understand leaving it by the bin, yes it's unsightly, but one would think the council may take proactive action and schedule an early morning pickup the day after a reasonably good day weather wise.

Leaving it by the bin is definitely preferred to leaving it on the beach itself.

Or maybe just taking it home?

Winterlong

I did a day volunteering cleaning up a beach once (not community service, honest).
And it was sickening the crap we bagged that day. Nappies and glass/plastic bottles were most common but loads of random crap too. Rugsacks. Clothes. Tents. Bags of domestic rubbish.
The dunes were where the real gems were dumped.

There are some right scummers out there, no doubt about it.

Tombo2001

GBX wrote: »

Rubbish dumping in general be it at beaches is disgusting and ignorant.

People who don't care.........don't care........about being disgusting, or about being ignorant.

Same with any type of litter......

degsie

Warm weather draws people to the beaches, especially at weekends, bins fill up quickly. Pity the local council cant figure this out and do more bin collections.

The Backwards Man

Cities should be walled in and the inmates only allowed to leave on limited day passes when they the prove themselves mature and able.

Wheeliebin30

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Don't know what has happened in the last decade but it's depressing.

Lol, last decade.

r93kaey5p2izun

Dragged up, lazy, dirty people. There's plenty of them around and unfortunately the sun brings them out in their droves. They'll probably be on to Joe to blame someone else shortly - the lack of facilities etc etc.

Tombo2001

degsie wrote: »

Warm weather draws people to the beaches, especially at weekends, bins fill up quickly. Pity the local council cant figure this out and do more bin collections.

Couldn't disagree with this more.

Firstly - think through the logic of it; council workers collecting refuse, low paid workers doing an unpleasant job with no incentive system/ bonus structure for working extra hours (because the 'public' wouldn't tolerate it).

And you expect these people to work extra shifts on the random weekend that the sun shines......why exactly? Because that's what they are paid to do? No they aren't.

Secondly......Person at the beach doesn't pick up their rubbish - and its someone elses fault? Because there was nowhere to put the rubbish? They don't have a bin in their own house? They were able to BRING all the plastic containers, cans etc onto the beach when they were full. But they cant Bring them away when they are empty.....?

Of course - its the councils fault.

razorblunt

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Couldn't disagree with this more.

Firstly - think through the logic of it; council workers collecting refuse, low paid workers doing an unpleasant job with no incentive system/ bonus structure for working extra hours (because the 'public' wouldn't tolerate it).


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Are they low paid? Compared to the some jobs in the private sector?

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Cause were a nation of self centred out for themselves horrible people.

Don't know what has happened in the last decade but it's depressing.

It's why we can't have nice things, people just ruin it.

I don't think it's just an Irish thing, I live in the UK and see it here. Though I have to say come the summer they have their litter trucks out very very early in the morning.
In Edinburgh in August, you'd often be walking past the lads on your way home from a night out.

Tombo2001

razorblunt wrote: »

Are they low paid? Compared to the some jobs in the private sector?



I don't think it's just an Irish thing, I live in the UK and see it here. Though I have to say come the summer they have their litter trucks out very very early in the morning.
In Edinburgh in August, you'd often be walking past the lads on your way home from a night out.

Yes they are low paid. Don't be ridiculous. Do you think they are sending people out to pick up rubbish on consultants wages?

Low paid, whether its a little less or a little more than someone else who is low paid......is still low paid.

Donald Trump

Could be worse. Could be dumping rubbish at beatches

listermint

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Cities should be walled in and the inmates only allowed to leave on limited day passes when they the prove themselves mature and able.

Cities...

There is plenty of dumping in rural ireland believe me.

razorblunt

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Yes they are low paid. Don't be ridiculous. Do you think they are sending people out to pick up rubbish on consultants wages?

Low paid, whether its a little less or a little more than someone else who is low paid......is still low paid.

Of course I don't. It was a genuine question.
That doesn't mean you don't expect them to not do it because they're low paid.

Perhaps someone on higher wages should have the foresight to plan ahead and schedule the working week accordingly. Or do all bins not get picked up at the weekend?

degsie

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Of course - its the councils fault.

Thanks for confirming

ScumLord

Tombo2001 wrote: »

And you expect these people to work extra shifts on the random weekend that the sun shines......why exactly? Because that's what they are paid to do? No they aren't.

I don't think anyones saying they should be made work for free or anything. Either the council understands the beach will be busy during the summer and exta staff may be needed or pay them extra.

Secondly......Person at the beach doesn't pick up their rubbish - and its someone elses fault? Because there was nowhere to put the rubbish? They don't have a bin in their own house? They were able to BRING all the plastic containers, cans etc onto the beach when they were full. But they cant Bring them away when they are empty.....?

Of course - its the councils fault.

It's all well and good saying that but even if everyone did everything right it's likely there would still be rubbish.

If the beaches are to be an amenity that people go to then it makes sense to have people cleaning up. You can cry foul of people leaving rubbish behind but it happens, it will happen, and it's either a case of we're going to clean it up or moan about it.

I'm fairly sure in other countries like Spain they have people going around cleaning all day.

Tombo2001

razorblunt wrote: »

Of course I don't. It was a genuine question.
That doesn't mean you don't expect them to not do it because they're low paid.

Perhaps someone on higher wages should have the foresight to plan ahead and schedule the working week accordingly. Or do all bins not get picked up at the weekend?

It entirely does mean I would expect them not to do it.

I expect them to do the job they are paid for.

I don't expect them do be available for extra shifts at short notice, on the random weekend where the sun shines - the one weekend of the year where everyone wants to be out enjoying themselves.

Anyway, its completely besides the point. People should tidy up after themselves.

There are a number of parks around where there are no bins - like the botanic gardens. And people don't throw rubbish about.

A problem in some respects is that people think its ok to dump rubbish 'beside' a bin when the bin is full.

ThisRegard

razorblunt wrote: »

I can understand leaving it by the bin, yes it's unsightly, but one would think the council may take proactive action and schedule an early morning pickup the day after a reasonably good day weather wise.

Leaving it by the bin is definitely preferred to leaving it on the beach itself.

It's dumping. Bring the stuff home with you ffs.

degsie

ThisRegard wrote: »

It's dumping. Bring the stuff home with you ffs.

So you are in favour of not having any kind of bin at any beach?

razorblunt

ThisRegard wrote: »

It's dumping. Bring the stuff home with you ffs.

So I'm eating at McDonalds, the bin is full, I should take my stuff home with me to dump?

ThisRegard

degsie wrote: »

So you are in favour of not having any kind of bin at any beach?

That's some leap of logic right there to extrapolate that from what I said, how did you come up with that?

razorblunt wrote: »

So I'm eating at McDonalds, the bin is full, I should take my stuff home with me to dump?

Are you dumping it on the ground outside? I know you're trying to be deliberately facetious because even a 3 year old can understand the obvious difference between dumping and leaving something behind on a table.

Are Am Eye

ScumLord wrote: »

I'm fairly sure in other countries like Spain they have people going around cleaning all day.

Who's going to shell out for that?

Outkast_IRE

razorblunt wrote: »

So I'm eating at McDonalds, the bin is full, I should take my stuff home with me to dump?

In Mcdonalds you paid them money for a meal, they provide you a place to dump the packaging the meal came in.

How does this apply to the beach ?

BPKS

Go to a beach in Portugal or Spain at 8pm after a hot day and the place is spotless.

Go to a beach here at 8pm over the weekend and its absolutely reckless. Plastic mineral bottles, glass beer bottles, crisp packets, disposable BBQs, nappies scattered all over the place.

Its the mentality of a lot of the people who go to the beach. I once almost got a in a fight for asking a group of lads to take their 40 empty bottles of beer with them as they left the beach.

There is a new initiative I seen as two beaches this week - 2 minute Beach Clean Up. A grabber and bags are left on a display board and people are encouraged to spend 2 minutes picking up rubbish from the beach. I dont mind doing it but you would get sick of cleaning up after these selfish, ignorant pr1cks.

ScumLord

Are Am Eye wrote: »

Who's going to shell out for that?

Tax paying citizens. Things cost money, either we pay the cost of live with the rubbish.

It could just require some preplanning. For the summer instead of doing the clean up on a Friday do it on a Saturday or Sunday evening.

BPKS wrote: »

Go to a beach in Portugal or Spain at 8pm after a hot day and the place is spotless.

And it's probably a lot of the same littering Irish people at those beaches in Spain and Portugal.

razorblunt

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

In Mcdonalds you paid them money for a meal, they provide you a place to dump the packaging the meal came in.

How does this apply to the beach ?

It's a public service, the same way I'd expect a street to be clean and city bins not to be left overflowing.

All I'm saying is that if I were in charge of the department responsible for this, I'd have morning bin collections scheduled for every Sunday morning of the summer, or make it the starting point of a collection route.

I'm not blaming the cleaners themselves who are just doing their job. This only applies to rubbish left by the bin too, anything on the beach itself is not for discussion.

razorblunt

ScumLord wrote: »

Tax paying citizens. Things cost money, either we pay the cost of live with the rubbish.

It could just require some preplanning. For the summer instead of doing the clean up on a Friday do it on a Saturday or Sunday evening.

And it's probably a lot of the same littering Irish people at those beaches in Spain and Portugal.

That's exactly it.

Yamanoto

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CO79oNMWxS4

ThisRegard

razorblunt wrote: »

It's a public service, the same way I'd expect a street to be clean and city bins not to be left overflowing.

All I'm saying is that if I were in charge of the department responsible for this, I'd have morning bin collections scheduled for every Sunday morning of the summer, or make it the starting point of a collection route.

I'm not blaming the cleaners themselves who are just doing their job. This only applies to rubbish left by the bin too, anything on the beach itself is not for discussion.

So you're OK with people throwing rubbish on the ground on the basis there's a street cleaners? Why should I bother with my domestic refuse collection when I can dump it(a mentality many idiots already share).

razorblunt

ThisRegard wrote: »

Are you dumping it on the ground outside? I know you're trying to be deliberately facetious because even a 3 year old can understand the obvious difference between dumping and leaving something behind on a table.

I'm not being facetious at all, I don't think leaving something beside a full bin (provided it can't blow away) is the same as leaving your rubbish strewn on a beach. If I was in a restaurant, I'd leave the tray close to the bin or ideally tell a worker.

As someone said, I think a late evening / early morning pickup can be scheduled in for the summer months when higher volumes are aniticpated. It doesn't stop the littering on the beach but it can help the unsightly overflow.

ScumLord

ThisRegard wrote: »

So you're OK with people throwing rubbish on the ground on the basis there's a street cleaners? Why should I bother with my domestic refuse collection when I can dump it(a mentality many idiots already share).

Ah come on now, you're jumping to conclusions. Accepting that some people will never clean up after themselves and there will always be rubbish left over no matter how good everyone else gets at cleaning up after themselves isn't the same as being ok with the rubbish.

The fact remains there will be rubbish after hundreds of people go to a location, we can keep saying people should clean up after themselves but it won't make the beaches any cleaner.

ThisRegard

razorblunt wrote: »

I'm not being facetious at all, I don't think leaving something beside a full bin (provided it can't blow away) is the same as leaving your rubbish strewn on a beach.

And this is why we have articles like the ones in the OP and disgraceful messes in scenic areas after weekends like the one we just had.

Alun

razorblunt wrote: »

I'm not being facetious at all, I don't think leaving something beside a full bin (provided it can't blow away) is the same as leaving your rubbish strewn on a beach.

The law disagrees with you.

Stroke Politics

Take a look at your road/street on bin day, and count how many houses don't put out a bin. I counted 4 of 20 in my road, and I don't regard any of them as poor or careless. Where do they put the rubbish?

ScumLord

Stroke Politics wrote: »

Take a look at your road/street on bin day, and count how many houses don't put out a bin. I counted 4 of 20 in my road, and I don't regard any of them as poor or careless. Where do they put the rubbish?

I put my bin out every two months or so. I pay per lift too so you won't see my bins out to often.

Tombo2001

razorblunt wrote: »

It's a public service, the same way I'd expect a street to be clean and city bins not to be left overflowing.

All I'm saying is that if I were in charge of the department responsible for this, I'd have morning bin collections scheduled for every Sunday morning of the summer, or make it the starting point of a collection route.

I'm not blaming the cleaners themselves who are just doing their job. This only applies to rubbish left by the bin too, anything on the beach itself is not for discussion.

The issue here (quite clearly) is not the time of year. Its the weather.

Bank holiday Monday - June Bank Holiday Monday 2017 -= biggest bank holiday of the year.

It lashed rain all day. Was there much rubbish on the beach that day ? No.

How can the council account for a 4x or 5x surge when the weather is good - if they don't know when that surge is going to be.
its unrealistic.

And besides - pick up your own rubbish folks its the decent thing to do.

Sofiztikated

ScumLord wrote: »

I put my bin out every two months or so. I pay per lift too so you won't see my bins out to often.

Same.

Ironically, it's the houses with the bins out every other week, that have kids and young teens that just throw stuff at their arses on the green areas of the estate.

Stroke Politics

Stroke Politics wrote: »

Take a look at your road/street on bin day, and count how many houses don't put out a bin. I counted 4 of 20 in my road, and I don't regard any of them as poor or careless. Where do they put the rubbish?

Are they all on the same day? 3 collectors on 3 different days here.

Alun

Stroke Politics wrote: »

Take a look at your road/street on bin day, and count how many houses don't put out a bin. I counted 4 of 20 in my road, and I don't regard any of them as poor or careless. Where do they put the rubbish?

In areas with multiple operators, we have at least 3 here, "bin day" is a different day for everyone. Add to that that we pay per lift, we don't put out the bins every week. Many people also take their recyclables in person to the local council recycling depot which is free, plus they take a slightly greater variety of stuff.

Are Am Eye

ScumLord wrote: »

Tax paying citizens. Things cost money, either we pay the cost of live with l.

I dune no about that

Tombo2001

I think this is what some people want to see from our government.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boAWFriUsMo

Spanish Eyes

I thought LPT was designed amongst other things to pay for our communities upkeep and development. Cleaning the beaches and other areas people congregate in good weather is a must.

Med countries like Spain have beach hoovering every single night, and walkways are also pressure hosed. It is amazing. Now people do not leave much rubbish around either. Presumably their variety of Lpt, council tax or whatever pays for it.

I would NEVER go to a beach or other hot spot on a good weekend, too upsetting seeing the way people do not respect their surroundings. And if you say anything, you'd be afraid of getting a one punch or your teeth knocked out or horrible verbal abuse.

There are a lot of not very nice people in this country. But most of us are OK.

Outkast_IRE

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I thought LPT was designed amongst other things to pay for our communities upkeep and development. Cleaning the beaches and other areas people congregate in good weather is a must.

Med countries like Spain have beach hoovering every single night, and walkways are also pressure hosed. It is amazing. Now people do not leave much rubbish around either. Presumably their variety of Lpt, council tax or whatever pays for it.

I would NEVER go to a beach or other hot spot on a good weekend, too upsetting seeing the way people do not respect their surroundings. And if you say anything, you'd be afraid of getting a one punch or your teeth knocked out or horrible verbal abuse.

There are a lot of not very nice people in this country. But most of us are OK.

I know in spain that any of the shops or bars operating on the beach are essentially leased from the government or some similar arrangement and the profits go back to the upkeep & development.