Cheater in the Leaving Cert

PBM1998

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happywithlife

Wow!
First off procedure is for superintendent to file their report with the state exams commission - you won't ever personally be informed of the workings of it / outcome as it doesn't concern you personally but if you feel for some reason protocol isn't being followed I guess your best bet is to have a parent make a complaint to the sec ...but I would highly doubt this will be let slide. The phone should have bedn confiscated as far as i know. The student will be allowed sit her other exams and this will be investigated - I think the usual procedure is there is a mark put against their grade or the exam is disallowed- not sure exactly though

leimmxvii

There's easier ways to cheat lol

yerwanthere123

If she had to resort to that then chances are she's not going to do well anyway. So, focus on your own exams and leave her to it.

roisiny

Lot easier ways of cheating than listening to bio notes, could hardly imagine if she wanted to cheat that she'd sit there in the bathroom listening for a specific answer ... google would be ten times quicker and less suspicious. I'd say she was playing them in the car or something and forgot to give it in. Not something to ruin her whole LC about.

whether other people cheat or not, it doesn't really affect you. It has no bearing on your result or on the work you have done.
So, just try to forget it.

Lackey

bubblypop wrote: »

whether other people cheat or not, it doesn't really affect you. It has no bearing on your result or on the work you have done.
So, just try to forget it.

The bell curve system and points system means that it does have a bearing on their result, and it does affect every other LC student, if other people cheat.

But as said above there's easier ways to cheat, and just because the OP is not being told anything doesn't mean its not being investigated, plus might be totally innocent mistake.

DublinArnie

She was allowed to sit the exam with earphones on?

Bananaleaf

She will be allowed to continue her exam because that is protocol. But she won't get away with it. It will be reported and depending on the amount of proof that the superintendent has (in this case a lot!) the department make a decision. It is important that the student is allowed to continue their paper in the event of it being a case of the superintendent being mistaken in their assumption. Obviously in this case there is no doubt, but that is for the department to decide on. Not you, not the superintendent, and not your principal.

bubblypop

bubblypop wrote: »

whether other people cheat or not, it doesn't really affect you. It has no bearing on your result or on the work you have done.
So, just try to forget it.

But it did have an affect, a complete disruption and distraction during an important exam

AnneFrank

It's none of your business the staff dealt with it, refocus on yourself and get back to study

twowheelsonly

yerwanthere123 wrote: »

If she had to resort to that then chances are she's not going to do well anyway. So, focus on your own exams and leave her to it.

bubblypop wrote: »

whether other people cheat or not, it doesn't really affect you. It has no bearing on your result or on the work you have done.
So, just try to forget it.

Of course it has an effect. What about the people who could have missed out on their chosen college place by one or two spots and then you have people like this that get that spot ?

Pawwed Rig

twowheelsonly wrote: »

Of course it has an effect. What about the people who could have missed out on their chosen college place by one or two spots and then you have people like this that get that spot ?

Who then drops out at the end of her first year coz she's not able for it.

tayto lover

DublinArnie wrote: »

She was allowed to sit the exam with earphones on?

Can't believe phones were allowed into the exam center.

randylonghorn

As said a few times above, the fact that she is allowed to continue with her exams is no indication of anything whatsoever ... it is standard procedure.

The superintendent on the ground doesn't have the authority to make a determination one way or the other, their job is to gather all the facts and report to the SEC, who will investigate and make a determination.

Lackey

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Who then drops out at the end of her first year coz she's not able for it.

How is that of any conciliation to the honest student who lost a place to a cheater?

X6.430macman

Loads of people go in with their phones and don't mean any harm. Doubt she was cheating tbh. How could you stick in earphones like?

refusetolose

X6.430macman wrote: »

Loads of people go in with their phones and don't mean any harm. Doubt she was cheating tbh. How could you stick in earphones like?

suppose you could run the wire up your sleeve and then pretend to use your hand to hold up your head

tayto lover

refusetolose wrote: »

suppose you could run the wire up your sleeve and then pretend to use your hand to hold up your head

After sending a photo of the exam paper to an educated friend outside.

jogd1234

It's ridiculously easy to cheat in the LC. I'd never do it, and havent heard of anyone in my school doing it, but who's to stop you going to the bathroom and cheating in there with a phone/book you left in there? No one in the school checks them. I'd say hundreds of students get away with cheating & do really well out of it each & every year.

Icemancometh

Take it as the last lesson you'll get in school. People cheat, get away with it, and prosper from it.

gctest50

X6.430macman wrote: »

Loads of people go in with their phones and don't mean any harm. Doubt she was cheating tbh. How could you stick in earphones like?

https://www.apple.com/ie/shop/product/MMEF2ZM/A/airpods

Wireless. Effortless. Magical.

AirPods will forever change the way you use headphones. Whenever you pull your AirPods out of the charging case, they instantly turn on and connect to your iPhone, Apple Watch, iPad or Mac.(1) Audio automatically plays as soon as you put them in your ears and pauses when you take them out.

Pawwed Rig

Lackey wrote: »

How is that of any conciliation to the honest student who lost a place to a cheater?

It isn't. That is the point. It is a waste of a college place.

CIARAN_BOYLE

PBM1998 wrote: »

So I am a student sitting my Leaving Cert and I was doing my biology exam today when the girl who was sitting beside me's phone went off as if earphones had been plugged out and it was blatantly playing biology notes aloud. The girl was told to leave the hall but the principal came in and the girl was shortly allowed back in to continue her exam and I was told she will be allowed to sit the rest of her Leaving Cert. I feel that this is completely unfair on all the rest of the students who are doing their exams honestly and I want something to be done about it. I feel as if I would be known as a rat for doing this but am disgusted at the same time. Anyone know who I can contact or what I should do?

The superintendent can't act as judge jury and executioner. There is a process. Im not sure what the process is but she gets to complete her paper before the investigation. Depending on the results of the investigation any action will take place at that point.

tedpan

Many people cheat during exams, most don't admit it..

yosser hughes

tedpan wrote: »

Many people cheat during exams, most don't admit it..

Continuing a long tradition in Fianna Faíl this lad did it and got away with it as far as I remember. True leadership right there.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/incoming-tcd-student-leader-admits-exam-cheating-1.1409732

http://thestar.ie/about-us/brian-lenihans-son-is-caught-cheating-in-college-test/

lots of people have cheated and got away with it.
However in this girl's case I doubt she will. OP, just get on with your own exams and leave it to the examiners. It's really not your concern.

Mr Rhode Island Red

In fairness if she's cheating in biology, she probably needs every mark she can get.

Ann22

They seal her phone in a bag and it's sent away to be examined. It will be decided if the info on it gave her an unfair advantage in that particular exam. It will then be decided what to do by a commission.

endacl

Ann22 wrote: »

They seal her phone in a bag and it's sent away to be examined. It will be decided if the info on it gave her an unfair advantage in that particular exam. It will then be decided what to do by a commission.

It's the SEC, not CSI.

conditioned games

Focus on yourself and maximise your own results rather than trying to get someone else punished for cheating. That other person is not your problem, let the inspectors deal with her.

mrcheez

PBM1998 wrote: »

So I am a student sitting my Leaving Cert and I was doing my biology exam today when the girl who was sitting beside me's phone went off as if earphones had been plugged out and it was blatantly playing biology notes aloud. The girl was told to leave the hall but the principal came in and the girl was shortly allowed back in to continue her exam and I was told she will be allowed to sit the rest of her Leaving Cert. I feel that this is completely unfair on all the rest of the students who are doing their exams honestly and I want something to be done about it. I feel as if I would be known as a rat for doing this but am disgusted at the same time. Anyone know who I can contact or what I should do?

pfft amateur

Bananaleaf

Ann22 wrote: »

They seal her phone in a bag and it's sent away to be examined. It will be decided if the info on it gave her an unfair advantage in that particular exam. It will then be decided what to do by a commission.

endacl wrote: »

It's the SEC, not CSI.

IT is the SEC, it's not CSI, you are correct. However, Ann22 has obviously acted as superintendent before because that is exactly what they do if material or photos pertaining to the exam are found on a device.

daheff

Bananaleaf wrote: »

IT is the SEC, it's not CSI, you are correct. However, Ann22 has obviously acted as superintendent before because that is exactly what they do if material or photos pertaining to the exam are found on a device.

What jurisdiction do they have to confiscate your property, because unless its in law, this is theft.


In any case, whats to stop the owner of the phone remotely erasing the data on the phone?

happywithlife

daheff wrote: »

What jurisdiction do they have to confiscate your property, because unless its in law, this is theft.


In any case, whats to stop the owner of the phone remotely erasing the data on the phone?

It is covered under the conduct of candidates rules and is ready out at the start of the first day. If you are found to have examination material / notes on your phone procedure is with the agreement of the school to confiscate the phone and forward it to SEC - they are the rules you agree to. You have no RIGHT to sit the state exams and if I were a superintendent and had a pushy "I know my rights" even when I'm in the wrong kinda student I'd push for exclusion from my centre totally again as per the conduct of candidates guidelines

Wanderer78

Dreadful system, it's really only a giant memory test, and that's a problem if you have memory issues. Best of luck op

DublinArnie

If cheating is really that common... these people who get all As on the news...

professore

Who thought it a good idea to allow phones / headphones in exams in the first place? In my day calculators were only allowed under severe duress and had to be a certain type. Phones? FFS. Might as well allow in laptops with full internet access.

Peregrine

professore wrote: »

Who thought it a good idea to allow phones / headphones in exams in the first place? In my day calculators were only allowed under severe duress and had to be a certain type. Phones? FFS. Might as well allow in laptops with full internet access.

They're not. That's the issue here. What on earth made you think that they are?

jogd1234

Peregrine wrote: »

They're not. That's the issue here. What on earth made you think that they are?

"You're allowed to use your phones but you have to PROMISE you won't cheat, okay?" 😂

DEFTLEFTHAND

What happens if a student is found guilty of cheating?

Are they barred from resitting the LC for a period of time?

hasdanta

My friend's brother got caught cheating during English paper 2 around 5/6 years ago. He was allowed to continue his exams and his English paper was cancelled, but his other results were allowed.

SwD

PBM1998 wrote: »

So I am a student sitting my Leaving Cert and I was doing my biology exam today when the girl who was sitting beside me's phone went off as if earphones had been plugged out and it was blatantly playing biology notes aloud. The girl was told to leave the hall but the principal came in and the girl was shortly allowed back in to continue her exam and I was told she will be allowed to sit the rest of her Leaving Cert. I feel that this is completely unfair on all the rest of the students who are doing their exams honestly and I want something to be done about it. I feel as if I would be known as a rat for doing this but am disgusted at the same time. Anyone know who I can contact or what I should do?

I have frequently entered exam halls, where no mobile phones are allowed, and due to the overwhelming anxiousness that surrounds the exam, forgotten to remove the phone from my pocket.

There is the possibility that this was just human error.

Stress can have a serious impact on some people.

Perhaps she was just listening to the biology notes pre-exam, and the phone went off in her pocket. Its unfortunate, and disruptive, but not intentional. Leave it to the super intended to evaluate.

randylonghorn

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

What happens if a student is found guilty of cheating?

Are they barred from resitting the LC for a period of time?

It depends on the severity of the incident.

https://www.buzz.ie/news/more-than-300-cheating-jc-and-lc-students-were-denied-their-exam-results-232102

Bananaleaf

daheff wrote: »

What jurisdiction do they have to confiscate your property, because unless its in law, this is theft.


In any case, whats to stop the owner of the phone remotely erasing the data on the phone?

It's only theft if you have no intention on returning the item to the owner. Confiscation is an entirely different matter.

professore wrote: »

Who thought it a good idea to allow phones / headphones in exams in the first place? In my day calculators were only allowed under severe duress and had to be a certain type. Phones? FFS. Might as well allow in laptops with full internet access.

It's not allowed. I don't know where you got the idea that it was. You can't frisk them coming in though.

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

What happens if a student is found guilty of cheating?

Are they barred from resitting the LC for a period of time?

I actually don't know the answer to this one but the rumour when we were in school was that you were banned from all state exams for 5 yrs. I doubt that has ever happened though.

DEFTLEFTHAND

That's the rumour which used to float around when I was in school too Banaleaf.

I always wondered was there any truth to it.

Nyctolust

Fairly certain it is true but as randylonghorn said it depends on the severity of the situation. I doubt it's happened to many people but it's not unheard of.

randylonghorn

Bananaleaf wrote: »

I actually don't know the answer to this one but the rumour when we were in school was that you were banned from all state exams for 5 yrs. I doubt that has ever happened though.

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

That's the rumour which used to float around when I was in school too Banaleaf.

I always wondered was there any truth to it.

It's the maximum penalty which can be applied.

I honestly have no idea how often it has been applied, or indeed, if it ever has been.

happywithlife

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/leaving-cert-swap-students-fined-1.723359%3Fmode%3Damp

These two geniuses were both fined !

reason vs religion

I find it really frustrating when people say it's none of your business. We're all invested in the same system, and in the same way we are justified in feeling angry when it seems a politician has got special treatment or whatever (something that doesn't affect us), we should be entitled to feel aggrieved when rules aren't applied equally. Without being hyperbolic, it's the sort of mentality that permits corruption in society.

Re: the incident, someone in my school tied an ipod behind her hair and threaded the earphones to her ears. She was caught, ipod was confiscated, but she was allowed to finish her exam. When they analysed the ipod, they found it only had music on it. Apparently she couldn't concentrate without. She was let off. Presumably the same procedure is being followed, as others have said.

randylonghorn

reason vs religion wrote: »

When they analysed the ipod, they found it only had music on it. Apparently she couldn't concentrate without. She was let off.

Correct decision really, even if she was in breach of the rules in the strict sense: she wasn't actually cheating tho'.

jogd1234

reason vs religion wrote: »

I find it really frustrating when people say it's none of your business. We're all invested in the same system, and in the same way we are justified in feeling angry when it seems a politician has got special treatment or whatever (something that doesn't affect us), we should be entitled to feel aggrieved when rules aren't applied equally. Without being hyperbolic, it's the sort of mentality that permits corruption in society.

Re: the incident, someone in my school tied an ipod behind her hair and threaded the earphones to her ears. She was caught, ipod was confiscated, but she was allowed to finish her exam. When they analysed the ipod, they found it only had music on it. Apparently she couldn't concentrate without. She was let off. Presumably the same procedure is being followed, as others have said.

Agree with this 100%