2017 Local authority SEO competition

ECO_Mental · 16-10-2017 9:23pm

Got placed 392 in the SEE comp but they said that they will be calling for interview based on the order of merit. The way I read it is the order of merit is the tests! They haven't looked at the CV's (application docs) yet. Am I right, so basically it doesn't matter what you do in your job it's down to the 12 mins in the test......or am i wrong

Reputable Rog · 16-10-2017 9:27pm

ECO_Mental wrote: »

Got placed 392 in the SEE comp but they said that they will be calling for interview based on the order of merit. The way I read it is the order of merit is the tests! They haven't looked at the CV's (application docs) yet. Am I right, so basically it doesn't matter what you do in your job it's down to the 12 mins in the test......or am i wrong

It certainly sounds that way. I'm going to appply for Chief Vetrinary Officer or some other competition I am not qualified for using an SEP application just to see if I get asked to do an aptitude test.

gazzer · 17-10-2017 10:21am

While I wait back to hear from my PAS regarding my email to them I was just wondering if anybody got anywhere in the region of the following scores and if so where you placed on the SEO panel?

Management Scenario 6650
Verbal Reasoning 4685

Thanks.

MurfballEng · 17-10-2017 11:54am

PAS just told me that the SEE competition wont be going ahead before the new year either

nebraska132 · 17-10-2017 7:35pm

I understand for a previous post 664 made the cut in the SEO competition - will all of these be called for the next stage? if not where would an educated guess put the cut-off?

Reputable Rog · 17-10-2017 8:04pm

nebraska132 wrote: »

I understand for a previous post 664 made the cut in the SEO competition - will all of these be called for the next stage? if not where would an educated guess put the cut-off?

A rational assumption would suggest that they might actually scrutinise the applications now and cull a number of applicants such as those under qualified or Engineers/Planners etc.
Based on the bizarre way the PAS/LGMA are operating though, you could have hundreds called or just a few.

The Megaphone · 18-10-2017 9:00am

Reputable Rog wrote: »

A rational assumption would suggest that they might actually scrutinise the applications now and cull a number of applicants such as those under qualified or Engineers/Planners etc.

This would explain why they keep signing off their messages with:

An invitation to attend any part of the selection process is not to be taken as implying that the Public Appointments Service is satisfied that you fulfil the eligibility requirements of the post.

monreaghlad · 24-10-2017 10:49pm

I got called for interview next Friday, for Senior Engineer - really short notice - main interview, no prelim interview - strange

Reputable Rog · 24-10-2017 11:21pm

monreaghlad wrote: »

I got called for interview next Friday, for Senior Engineer - really short notice - main interview, no prelim interview - strange

Where were you placed ?

monreaghlad · 25-10-2017 6:53am

In the 30s

Reputable Rog · 25-10-2017 8:21am

monreaghlad wrote: »

In the 30s

Well done, best of luck.

Moggaman · 26-10-2017 10:33pm

I am 470 in SEE order of merit. I am acting SEE at the moment. I know lads who are 11 years acting SEEs and are about 300 or so in SEE order of merit .they might not get an interview!. This is a crock of **** in my opinion.
They are way more people unhappy with this process than happy people. I think a stand should be made. our career futures cannot be determined by this mindless shortlisting exercise.
PAS should recruit whoever they need to recruit on a short term basis to at least examine all the applyication forms and shortlist on that basis . It comes down to fairness and this is not fair.

The Megaphone · 27-10-2017 9:08am

Moggaman wrote: »

I am 470 in SEE order of merit. I am acting SEE at the moment. I know lads who are 11 years acting SEEs and are about 300 or so in SEE order of merit .they might not get an interview!. This is a crock of **** in my opinion.
They are way more people unhappy with this process than happy people. I think a stand should be made. our career futures cannot be determined by this mindless shortlisting exercise.
PAS should recruit whoever they need to recruit on a short term basis to at least examine all the applyication forms and shortlist on that basis . It comes down to fairness and this is not fair.

So it doesn't suit you, so there must be something wrong? Were you happy with the process until you got your results?

Also not everyone on here is a public sector work, although we hope to be!

Moggaman · 27-10-2017 9:21am

The Megaphone wrote: »

So it doesn't suit you, so there must be something wrong? Were you happy with the process until you got your results?

Also not everyone on here is a public sector work, although we hope to be!

I mean it's unfair to all... public and private.there are plenty of super competent private sector engineers that don't get a chance because of a 12 min test. Surely you agree it's a hideous way to shortlist.. my belief is that people's application forms should at least be read. I would like to think if I was 50th in the order of merit the I would have the same belief..

The Megaphone · 27-10-2017 9:43am

Moggaman wrote: »

I mean it's unfair to all... public and private.there are plenty of super competent private sector engineers that don't get a chance because of a 12 min test. Surely you agree it's a hideous way to shortlist.. my belief is that people's application forms should at least be read. I would like to think if I was 50th in the order of merit the I would have the same belief..

It is terrible, I know one fella who scored well during the on-line testing, and then just had a bad day during the supervised tests in September.

What I also think it poor, is that no weighting is given to the numerical scores, we're Engineers after all, not English teachers!

gazzer · 27-10-2017 10:01am

I got notification from Public Jobs yesterday that they will be in touch with me regarding my appeal in the 'coming days'

sodacake1968 · 29-10-2017 3:27pm

Just curious but what should the alternative selection process be

Reputable Rog · 29-10-2017 6:10pm

sodacake1968 wrote: »

Just curious but what should the alternative selection process be

Actually read the application forms submitted.They require extensive work and it's only fair that they at least be read.

Moggaman · 29-10-2017 10:21pm

sodacake1968 wrote: »

Just curious but what should the alternative selection process be

Well shortlisting based on experience and your application form would be a start....

Moggaman · 01-11-2017 10:29am

Moggaman wrote: »

Well shortlisting based on experience and your application form would be a start....

Just got a reply to my queries regarding SEE shortlisting. It will be solely based on the test results and people that are not qualified will still be in the process unless they have stated that they are not eligible.

MurfballEng · 01-11-2017 10:46am

I imagine than that they will review the CVs in order of merit and disqualify those that are ineligible as they go. So this would mean that if you were say in the 300s initially you may suddenly jump right up as people are eliminated, refuse interview, changed their minds etc.
it will be region specific also, so not all people in front of you will be going for the same region, so overall may be in the 300s but for your selected region you may be in the top 50 - 100 ....
best wait and see what they come back with and when people start getting called for interview or notified that they are ineligible!

Kevin1974 · 01-11-2017 4:08pm

Moggaman wrote: »

Just got a reply to my queries regarding SEE shortlisting. It will be solely based on the test results and people that are not qualified will still be in the process unless they have stated that they are not eligible.

I don’t understand how we could be still in the process if we’re not qualified - what do you mean?

The Megaphone · 01-11-2017 4:21pm

Kevin1974 wrote: »

I don’t understand how we could be still in the process if we’re not qualified - what do you mean?

The Public Appointments Service have not reviewed any of the applications so some may fall short on academic qualifications or experience.

Reputable Rog · 01-11-2017 4:55pm

Moggaman wrote: »

Just got a reply to my queries regarding SEE shortlisting. It will be solely based on the test results and people that are not qualified will still be in the process unless they have stated that they are not eligible.

Are they stating that will deem who qualifies or they relying on people to certify?
PAS Q- Do you meet the criteria for this job?
A. I most certainly do.
PAS - Congratulations, see you Tuesday.

Reputable Rog · 01-11-2017 4:58pm

The Megaphone wrote: »

The Public Appointments Service have not reviewed any of the applications so some may fall short on academic qualifications or experience.

I know for a fact they haven't. I applied for Government Auditor and have an interview based on the psychometric tests.
I know nothing about Auditing but will give it my best shot.

sodacake1968 · 01-11-2017 6:08pm

I think that they only look at qualifications at job offer stage

Moggaman · 01-11-2017 7:52pm

sodacake1968 wrote: »

I think that they only look at qualifications at job offer stage

Correct and will interview a rake of people who cannot get the job in the process...

sodacake1968 · 01-11-2017 8:12pm

Maybe they expect that candidates only apply for positions that they are qualified for

ECO_Mental · 01-11-2017 9:39pm

sodacake1968 wrote: »

I think that they only look at qualifications at job offer stage

If this is the case I think it's absolutely scandalous...yes I appreciated they have to weed down the numbers so ok do an online test and get rid of 50% or more. But to interview people only on a 12 min test is crazy:mad: not to actually look at what people have done on their careers is almost negligent. It's supposed to be a competency based interview and application. It's all about meeting the competencies how the hell do they know if you meet these or people who are on the mid 300s (me

) would better meet these. Problem here is the PAS are worse than useless there is no transparency. It should have laid out at the start how EXACTLY the selection process happens. Instead of people indivually emailing PAS and making complaints to find out this **** happens.

Worse than useless :mad:

Moggaman · 02-11-2017 12:33pm

ECO_Mental wrote: »

If this is the case I think it's absolutely scandalous...yes I appreciated they have to weed down the numbers so ok do an online test and get rid of 50% or more. But to interview people only on a 12 min test is crazy:mad: not to actually look at what people have done on their careers is almost negligent. It's supposed to be a competency based interview and application. It's all about meeting the competencies how the hell do they know if you meet these or people who are on the mid 300s (me ) would better meet these. Problem here is the PAS are worse than useless there is no transparency. It should have laid out at the start how EXACTLY the selection process happens. Instead of people indivually emailing PAS and making complaints to find out this **** happens.

Worse than useless :mad:

Couldn't agree more. Dishing out hundreds of jobs without looking at applications ... scandalous.

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