BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123164097#Comment_123164097

Are NTA and TFI not the same organisation?

Annasopra

Apparently wicklow county council never gave Go Ahead or NTA permission to use the L3 terminus they are using. Madness.

https://www.greystonesguide.ie/chapel-road-terminus-proving-terminal/

p_haugh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123165383#Comment_123165383

TFI is effectively the public-facing brand set up by the NTA to use for all public transport in the country

Cookie_Monster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123165400#Comment_123165400

quality journalism there… sleeping bus 🙄

This means not only are cars getting backed up towards the village, but there’s very real danger of entering a roundabout on the wrong side of the road as motorists attempt to get around the sleeping bus.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123165558#Comment_123165558

Exactly - so the claim that the data is no longer coming from TFI and is now coming from NTA is nothing notable really because they are the same thing. TFI is an NTA brand.

stop

The real story will be someone explaining to the local councillor, using I presume sock puppets so the message is understood, that buses generally have a terminus at both ends of the route.

mikeybhoy

Read elsewhere that drivers on the 19 want the short workings to Wadalei numbered 19a or 19b to clearly differiate to passengers that the service is not going the full way to the Airport/Ballymun however the NTA are having absolutely none of it.

No surprises there as most working in the NTA have probably never travelled on a bus let alone driven one.

AlmightyCushion

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123169337#Comment_123169337

I don't know about the 19 and its variants but the 41c is the worst for that. So many people flag it down asking to go to the airport. It must add a few minutes to the journey some times.

DaBluBoi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123169337#Comment_123169337

Do you think these short workings will last long? Seems a bit overkill to have 10 mins frequency at peak just to serve a single estate, unless if there were any other parties advocating for such an increase. Also find it odd how peak frequency remains the same in weekends, especially since it now nearly has same frequency as E1 and E2, in spite of not being a Spine route and the two main roads it's serving being covered by E spine and proposed A spine

john boye

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123169397#Comment_123169397

I was just going to say that they probably won't last long, certainly not all of them. Like you say it's overkill at a time when buses and drivers are at a premium.

whosedaddy?

Hi, I've use bustimes for the past two weeks to track the E1/E2 busses against the scheduled times from DCU to city centre. But this morning it does not display actuals/ realtime info per journey anymore. All you can do you can track busses on the map, but without RTI. I hope its a glitch and not a permanent change.

Is there any other way to see RT or historical DB journey times anywhere else?

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123169696#Comment_123169696

It looks like a glitch with the data coming from the NTA.

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123169397#Comment_123169397

But they are not just serving “a single estate”.

They’re filling the void in Drumcondra that the removal of the 11 and 13 created there.

There were 11 buses between those two routes between 07:30 and 08:30 coming down Drumcondra Road.

That’s a lot of capacity removed.

What will likely happen in April is that the daytime off-peak short workings will be removed when the full route extends to Merrion Square. I suspect the three additional peak hour shorts between Wadelai and Merrion Square in either direction will go at the same time, leaving it at a 10 minute frequency.

bikeman1

I think the way of looking at the short 19 routes is that they are simply turning in the Estate, but doing a more useful job on the Ballymun Road, Home Farm Road and along Drumcondra.

I saw an N2 this morning on Griffith Ave nicely loaded towards Clontarf Rd. This route has a lot of potential with increased frequency and Reliability. Also some bus priority is needed particularly at the Swords Rd.

jd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123169761#Comment_123169761

Yes, I go from Northwood to near Heuston, and if the timings are right N2 is very handy. 20 minute frequencies aren't great. If services are cancelled, as happened a few times recently, then it's not much use to me and I may as well stay on the bus until town and take the Luas. Roll on the O!

VG31

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123169337#Comment_123169337

To be honest I don't really see the issue with having the same number. In countries such as Germany and Switzerland it's common for bus routes to have multiple destinations for the same route number and everything works fine.

VG31

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123169761#Comment_123169761

I get the N2 at peak times occasionally and they must have changed some of the traffic light timings as it's a lot quicker than it was when it launched. The Swords Road junction never takes that long. I don't get it that far but from looking at Bus Times, the turn from the Clontarf Road to the Malahide Road can be slow sometimes.

loco_scolo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123169873#Comment_123169873

Have to agree. As others have alluded to, once the A spine is rolled out, there won't be a need for such high frequency on the 19. If they've created a "19a" route, it would effectively need to be "cancelled" in future, rather than just adjusting the frequency and running all buses to the Airport.

The 41/41c example is very confusing either way, as both routes have Swords as the destination. That's not the case with the 19. If it doesn't say "Dublin Airport", then it's not going to the Airport!!

smackyB

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123169711#Comment_123169711

Have had confirmation that this is a glitch with the NTA's data and that they are working with their supplier to fix it.

bikeman1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123169905#Comment_123169905

The problem with the A spine is, as things stand there will be less buses than currently on that road, which is ridiculous. Hopefully that will be addressed before launch.

cgcsb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123170407#Comment_123170407

The E spine roll out has demonstrated that the NTA have no issues with reducing the current services. The N11 corridor now has less frequent services.

Remember the original Jarret Walker proposal was even more focused on directing passengers to transfer onto absolutely rammed Luas and Dart services.

mikeybhoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123170556#Comment_123170556

In fairness with the E Spine it's still very frequent. The times I've gotten the E1 and E2 I couldn't see the difference with wait times compared to the 46a, 145 and 155. And there's plenty of universals on the E1 at peak times for extra capacity.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123166687#Comment_123166687

Everybody understands what a terminus is.

The real story is that NTA and Go Ahead decided the middle of a road in a busy village near a school where there is no space for a terminus is a terminus and they never agreed this with the council.

mikeybhoy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123171030#Comment_123171030

Thought it was up to the council to provide those facilities?

dublinman1990

Transport Minister Darragh O'Brien has ordered a detailed review of how ghost buses from Go-Ahead Ireland were not operating to schedule since the E-Spine routes were launched 2 weeks ago.

https://www.independent.ie/regionals/dublin/dublin-news/transport-minister-says-detailed-review-under-way-into-issue-of-ghost-buses/a1330953052.html

Although the article link above has a noticeable error written in it about the 114 from Blackrock Station to Ticknock describing it as a new route.

I mean, seriously, have I stepped into a time warp or something?

I have been using that bus route with my mum to get down to Blackrock and back home since I was a child in the 90's.

That standard of journalism from the Irish Independent is honestly a laughable load of rubbish. The 114 was launched as a Dart feeder bus route by Dublin Bus connecting Blackrock and Sandyford Industrial Estate back in March 1987.

That's nearly 38 years ago at this stage.

It had various extensions made to the route to locations like Kilcross and Ticknock over the years. It subsequently went over from the Dublin Bus depot in Donnybrook to Go-Ahead Ireland's depot in Ballymount since January 2019 which was carried out over six years ago.

Tarabuses

I find that, when dealing with a subject that I know something about, journalists display little effort at research and write nonesense at times. It makes me skeptical about the articles they write on subjects of which I am less knowledgeable.

Burt Renaults

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123171191#Comment_123171191

Ironically, Go Ahead used to be much, much better than Dublin Bus when it came to notifying passengers about cancellations. I presume they're failing to put some cancellations into the system until after the event. Most likely due to their controllers' workload, rather than anything nefarious. Regardless of why they're doing that, it makes the entire idea of real-time passenger information completely redundant.

Daith

He's ordered a review? Presume he's hoping the issue will be fixed by the time the review is released. In the meantime he's seen to "do something" even if everyone knows why it's happening

p_haugh

From the 3rd March, all the express routes that pass Heuston will start/end in UCD it seems, presumably to make up for the 145 no longer existing? No mention in the announcement if Heuston is once again a pick-up stop for these services, however.

https://www.dublinbus.ie/news/revised-timetable-on-routes-x25-x26-x27-x28-x31-and-x32

Burt Renaults

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123171629#Comment_123171629

Looking at Bustimes, it seems as though the issue has already been fixed. If he announced this two weeks ago, he could've claimed responsibility for sorting it out.