What happened to the messers in your school after the LC?

jeanjolie

Know lads about to do the Leaving Cert and a few of the popular messers says that they have barely started studying.:pac:

Is the old trope of the messer working for the nerdy kid they made fun of true?

The Backwards Man

I turned out alright

Avatar MIA

Copying threads now, I'd say a new low... but not sure that's true.

AllForIt

Avatar MIA wrote: »

Copying threads now, I'd say a new low... but not sure that's true.

I've noticed a lot of that going on at the moment.

mzungu

They joined the militant wing of the Salvation Army.

Beyondgone

The biggest messer in ours started a Plant hire business and now drives a Porsche, the second biggest messer did alright too, well, I can't complain.

Solomon Pleasant

Very often the "messers" in school end up in worse situations than the supposedly "stupid" students.

The stupid student, or rather nonacademic students, often have talents that lay in other areas and many do go on to forge successful careers for themselves.

The messers, however, often lack determination and focus and, consequently, struggle to establish solid and productive lives for themselves.

I always much preferred the student who wasn't the most academically competent over the loud-mouth messer who couldn't keep his/her mouth shut.

jeanjolie

Avatar MIA wrote: »

Copying threads now, I'd say a new low... but not sure that's true.

You talking to me mate?

Stoner

jeanjolie wrote:

Is the old trope of the messer working for the nerdy kid they made fun of true?

No I don't think so. In school we had three first year classes and only one left for the leaving cert.
I think four went on to third level education, one dropped out.

The messers were largly gone by that stage. I've come across some on Facebook doing ok, some ended up going down the wrong road, drugs took others. Some of them have been successful with money and the arts.

It's very hard to tell but I've yet to have one work for me. I wouldn't go down that road anyway. It's a mixed bag. Believe it or not but I'm one of the qualified ones, would I say now that the leaving cert was essential? Not necessarily, but sitting it was imo.

I've a brother 15 years older than me and his class was more successful, as was my father's 40 years before that again, it seems things went backwards in our school.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

One of them is now a teacher. Funny that because she was taking escasty at the junior discos in second year and spent more time in the principals office than the principal did.

Some ended up in prison
Some ended up fully time mammys to acute angles
Loads did childcare courses and got knocked up early on (even the lesbian!)

Depends what you mean by messer. If you mean the smart alec at the back of the class, always talking, never doing homework...well I married the pretty one 2 rows ahead. If you mean real messer, drugs, violence, bullying...they largely ended up being arseholes, and now I get to tell them they were arseholes when they come looking for advice...

jeanjolie

Solomon Pleasant wrote: »

Very often the "messers" in school end up in worse situations than the supposedly "stupid" students.

The stupid student, or rather nonacademic students, often have talents that lay in other areas and many do go on to forge successful careers for themselves.

The messers, however, often lack determination and focus and, consequently, struggle to establish solid and productive lives for themselves.

I always much preferred the student who wasn't the most academically competent over the loud-mouth messer who couldn't keep his/her mouth shut.

Wouldn't say that was the same thing for Elliot Rodger

Of course he's a rare exception but I don't know...Don't they say in todays world that connections are more important. Even if you have a polite respectful but non-academic kid with a few self esteem issues vs a messer who's popular with everyone (very sociable), I'm sorry but the sad fact is the former will most likely fail than the messer.

That's what I've heard from a lot of people on Reddit.

storker

Most of the wilder guys I knew seemed to marry and settle down early.

jeanjolie

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Some ended up in prison

Not to be rude, but we're they from middle class or working class parents?

The reason I ask is because I read somewhere that violent crimes among middle class/upper class kids is more alarming than among working class kids simply because it's a rarity. How many teens/young adults in Mountjoy have lived in Blackrock, Deansgrange or Donnybrook?

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

jeanjolie wrote: »

Not to be rude, but we're they from middle class or working class parents?

The reason I ask is because I read somewhere that violent crimes among middle class/upper class kids is more alarming than among working class kids simply because it's a rarity. How many teens/young adults in Mountjoy have lived in Blackrock, Deansgrange or Donnybrook?

Both TBH

I know of some people around my age who you kind of knew that was where they'd end up, others came from good families just got in with a bad crowd

mcsaddle

it's so tragic i can't say

wakka12

Most of them turned out alright. Two of the worse ones though, like involved in drug sales from a young age etc, one is now homeless and one is in and out of prison

Noveight

Most of my LC class made it through the mill in one piece. Even the "messers" went and got themselves some sort of degree and a job.

Inevitably there are one or two who fell by the wayside. Many of them got little or no support from home throughout their teenage years, discouraged from academia if anything, so they were always fighting the tide.

Senna

If you mean messer as in class clown and general "do anything for a laugh" and I think he was directly responsible for giving a maths teacher a heart attack (he lived and is still alive 20+ years later) he never studied and scrapped by, but what he lacked academically he made up for in personality and people skills, I know he is doing very well for himself but I have no idea what actual job he works in.

StupidLikeAFox

I know a lad who became a millionaire by chewing bread for gummy chickens

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jeanjolie wrote: »

Know lads about to do the Leaving Cert and a few of the popular messers says that they have barely started studying.:pac:

From my school, a couple of them are now dead. Drink / drugs / suicide.
The rest went into Construction and became cowboy builders/odd jobers, and needless to say are no longer very popular.
Looking back 'the popular messers' often had issues at home.

Sunny Disposition

A lot of the time it does go as you'd expect in my experience.
Like the studious ones will prob do well because of having a work ethic. Some of the dodgy ones will be in and out of scrapes.
Messers, not dodgy ones just ones who aren't studious, often can flourish when they aren't spending all their time in an environment they're not suited to.
I'm in my mid 30s and sometimes come across people I went to school with 20 years ago. Only the other day I heard about a girl in my class who was a real A student but not v sociable. She has a massive job now, absolutely huge pay. But she is still alone and doesn't have a whole lot of friends either. So is she successful? I'd say no.
Once a week I meet a guy who was a messer as a teenager but a nice fella too. He has a fairly ok job, I know he had a few ups and downs in his personal life but is in a new relationship now and seems happy. I'd say he's another example of someone who kinda did as someone who taught him might have expected. Another guy who was friends with him, also a messer but again a nice fella, has gone down a wrong road with a substance abuse issue.
Personally I think people who knew me in school wouldn't be surprised with how I'm doing now.
I suppose in my experience people often do go onto a path you might expect, but it's not inevitable either. Personality does change in the twenties, people who lack confidence generally develop it and it can be amazing to see.

endacl

jeanjolie wrote: »

That's what I've heard from a lot of people on Reddit.

Case closed, so.

jeanjolie

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

Only the other day I heard about a girl in my class who was a real A student but not v sociable. She has a massive job now, absolutely huge pay. But she is still alone and doesn't have a whole lot of friends either. So is she successful? I'd say no.

Is she unattractive/below average in looks? Sorry for sounding shallow but I don't see how a girl with money and looks won't have a wide social circle, not necessarily of true friends but of people interested in her romantically or in a friendly way.

Persephone kindness

They carried on being legends.

jeanjolie

Noveight wrote: »

Inevitably there are one or two who fell by the wayside. Many of them got little or no support from home throughout their teenage years, discouraged from academia if anything, so they were always fighting the tide.

Did the drop out?

In America they'd usually go on mass shootings. The kids who are 'rejected socializers (not loners as they seem to crave social interaction), bullied in school and at home, low self esteem added by their appearance, size, race, religion etc.. All adds up to create a mass murderer.

Donald Trump

Nothing changed for the messers in my school after the LC.

The useless shower of degenerates just continued on in the same vein......................
They came back the following year and failed at teaching yet another year of poor students.

Surreptitious

I was the biggest messer in my year but ended up turning that around fairly fast. To be fair I know one is a doctor another became town mayor, a few solicitors, teachers etc and most are married and very well off. It was a strict convent school with a very high level of achievement so many did well for themselves. The ones who didn't go on to further education might have moved away and that. I know some have drug problems now but they are still pretty respectable and functioning in society. Out of us that caused the most trouble we did alright for ourselves afterwards. It was just banter.

jeanjolie

Surreptitious wrote: »

I was the biggest messer in my year but ended up turning that around fairly fast. To be fair I know one is a doctor another became town mayor, a few solicitors, teachers etc and most are married and very well off. It was a strict convent school with a very high level of achievement so many did well for themselves. The ones who didn't go on to further education might have moved away and that. I know some have drug problems now but they are still pretty respectable and functioning in society. Out of us that caused the most trouble we did alright for ourselves afterwards. It was just banter.

How was your school strict?

Surreptitious

jeanjolie wrote: »

How was your school strict?

We had to walk in single file one way down the corridor like in the army. Anything remotely wrong with the uniform we got detention. You couldn't look at someone sideways without the teacher freaking out. You could only eat in one place. We couldn't wear make up have any kind of jewellery and they had intense interviews to even get into transition year. The teachers were bordering on abusive quite a lot too.

tomwaterford

Surreptitious wrote: »

We had to walk in single file one way down the corridor like in the army. Anything remotely wrong with the uniform we got detention. You couldn't look at someone sideways without the teacher freaking out. You could only eat in one place. We couldn't wear make up have any kind of jewellery and they had intense interviews to even get into transition year. The teachers were bordering on abusive quite a lot too.

North korea is nice this time of year though

Mister Vain

One friend left to sell clothes
One works down by the coast
One had two kids but lives alone
One's brother overdosed
One's already on his second wife
One's just barely getting by

A Battered Mars Bar

I'd imagine "messers" is defined differently by everyone. The lads who were always being a smart alec and spending their days thinking about smoking but generally sound ended up spending their 20''s writing off one car after another and being in on the dole.

As for the hard men, who thought the world "local villages" revolved around them and enjoyed drugs, fighting in the local disco every Friday, thick and general scumbags....well they turned their lives around didn't they....ha no.

I think they won some county gaa thing a few years ago so I'd imagine that will be the high point in their small lives. They even posted a video of them...all the hard men in a circle in some local pub they live in doing the haka....wow bet they thought everyone thought they're the all blacks now hahaha about 30 views on YouTube. And the usual videos of some old town loser signing rebel song's everytime they win some small gaa match and losers crowding around him like he was some demi god. That's who they aspire to be. Spending their 20''s in small small dark dank pub in some small backward village with nothing in their lives except drugs and dole and gaa

Sad

whisky_galore

A lot of the messers were the sons of business owners, nothing to lose, they just take up the family enterprise when they leave school.

Your Face

I think it depends if they brought-in completely or not.

Wanderer78

One sadly died in a car crash, was some laugh, poor chap

Outlaw Pete

You see us as you want to see us, in the simplest terms and the most convenient definitions.

razorblunt

I probably was one of the messers, but I think I fell into the "he's not applying himself or trying" which means you get more attention from the teachers as they seemed to care to make sure I stayed on that side of the messing line rather than the lads who'd skip class, skip school entirely and in general were just hanging out. I've done pretty well so far though, kicked myself into gear in college and flew on from there.

Even the "proper" messers in my class probably wouldn't be near the levels of messing that others will post about. They didn't care about school, but they were never really disruptive in fairness to them. There were about 7 of them in total, 2 lads are working as tradesmen (though saying that I'd never willingly hire one of them for the job), one lad does a lot of charity work, one works in IT, one is in Oz and the other works but don't know where. No idea where the last fella is though.

Pinch Flat

I went to a pretty rough school, so had no end of messers - hard to believe I left it nearly 30 years ago. The choice when I left was go to college, get a trade or else get into an entry level job in one of the local factories - a lot of them ended up in dead end jobs and still do them 30 years later. Seem happy enough when I meet them, but the thoughts of working in a butchers shop, production line or labourer for the local council wouldn't appeal to me. Each to their own.

Few of the messers went back to college as mature students, so had the best of both worlds - messing around in school and into their early twenties, making a mess of the LC, then getting a qualification and a decent job from it.

seamus

The "messers" usually do alright. For the most part they're just kids with a little too much freedom at home and not enough focus. They all eventually cop on and fade into mediocrity like the rest of us. Getting a good leaving cert makes little odds in the long run.

It's the genuinely stupid kids who struggle. There was really only one in my year, nice enough guy, but just not all there. Got taken under the wing of a group who knocked a bit of craic out of him and looked after him, so socially he did just fine. But in his mid-30s he now delivers takeaway food for a living.

The kids who are in court a few times a year or don't even turn up for school half the time that will end up in real trouble. There was only one of these in my year, last I heard he was in and out of prison and a number of his mates had died from suicide & ODs.

Aongus Von Bismarck

A Battered Mars Bar wrote: »

I'd imagine "messers" is defined differently by everyone. The lads who were always being a smart alec and spending their days thinking about smoking but generally sound ended up spending their 20''s writing off one car after another and being in on the dole.

As for the hard men, who thought the world "local villages" revolved around them and enjoyed drugs, fighting in the local disco every Friday, thick and general scumbags....well they turned their lives around didn't they....ha no.

I think they won some county gaa thing a few years ago so I'd imagine that will be the high point in their small lives. They even posted a video of them...all the hard men in a circle in some local pub they live in doing the haka....wow bet they thought everyone thought they're the all blacks now hahaha about 30 views on YouTube. And the usual videos of some old town loser signing rebel song's everytime they win some small gaa match and losers crowding around him like he was some demi god. That's who they aspire to be. Spending their 20''s in small small dark dank pub in some small backward village with nothing in their lives except drugs and dole and gaa

Sad

What an outrageous post.

You sound like you're bitter due to your own inadequacies when it comes to athletic prowess.

I've unfortunately been the subject of begrudgery of this exact kind by people who want to drag me down to their level. I always treat it with what it deserves, pity rather than contempt.

In school I always excelled academically. I was no stranger to a bit of messing though. I used to have a laugh off some of the thicker students. Imitating their terrible pronunciation or doing impressions of the stutterers trying to read.

I also managed to balance my academic performance with a strong ability in sport. I was an avid hurler and was known throughout East Galway for my fantastic burst of pace and sublime ground, ball-handling and evasion skills. Myself and the lads on the hurling team used to get up to a good bit of messing too. I remember teasing one of the less athletic lads to join in our training and then "scoring a point" by smashing his pokemon Gameboy over ther bar!

I was also the guy who came up with the most cutting of nicknames. We called one thicko Chernobyl because he was such a disaster in school. He left before even finishing junior cert I think. I also came up with the name Batman for one of the kids who found out he was actually adopted at age 14!

Anyway, suffice to say, despite being a messer, and being a typical "sports jock" I managed to do excellently in the LC. I've also continued to go from strength to strength and now work on the very cutting edge of European finance and am doing very well for myself indeed.

Pingi

I've just turned 30

Biggest messer in my primary school died tragically in his early 20s. Very sad I'm not even sure he got accepted into secondary school. I actually think about him ocasionally and how he was treated by the teahcers as a problem student and how different/better he would have been catered for now days

Biggest messers in secondary school mostly left after the junior very because there were lots of trades going at the time (2002) They made decent money when very young. Some continued in the builing trade but lots ended up on the dole or working in retail after the crash

Me and my pals were not academicly good in school but also not loud messers Leaving cert points being 270 (x2) 160 and 50 all ended up with hons degrees (though not graduating until age 24-30) and have jobs we enjoy/pay well. 3 of us have fully time pensionable jobs with good benefits, health care etc. The other is freelance works for himself with loads going on.

Surreptitious

Surreptitious wrote: »

I was the biggest messer in my year but ended up turning that around fairly fast. To be fair I know one is a doctor another became town mayor, a few solicitors, teachers etc and most are married and very well off. It was a strict convent school with a very high level of achievement so many did well for themselves. The ones who didn't go on to further education might have moved away and that. I know some have drug problems now but they are still pretty respectable and functioning in society. Out of us that caused the most trouble we did alright for ourselves afterwards. It was just banter.

This is indicative that lots of kids think they are messers etc when in reality they are essentially good kids who give the teacher a bit of a sarcy comment twice a week and smoke a few cigarettes.............. think they are full time mad bastads.

sqwertypoo1934

^ mad yokes all together, didn't they tell you how MAD they were like?

Glenster

I went to a fancy school so everyone basically did fine.

Theres no distinction between the 'messers' (Who I'd define as lads who disrupted class with a few jokes about the planet Uranus) and any other normal kids.

The dirtbags (who'd start fights and wouldn't go to class) they all are fine too, but they are mostly salesmen or work in a bar or whatever.

Sunny Disposition

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

What an outrageous post.

You sound like you're bitter due to your own inadequacies when it comes to athletic prowess.

I've unfortunately been the subject of begrudgery of this exact kind by people who want to drag me down to their level. I always treat it with what it deserves, pity rather than contempt.

In school I always excelled academically. I was no stranger to a bit of messing though. I used to have a laugh off some of the thicker students. Imitating their terrible pronunciation or doing impressions of the stutterers trying to read.

I also managed to balance my academic performance with a strong ability in sport. I was an avid hurler and was known throughout East Galway for my fantastic burst of pace and sublime ground, ball-handling and evasion skills. Myself and the lads on the hurling team used to get up to a good bit of messing too. I remember teasing one of the less athletic lads to join in our training and then "scoring a point" by smashing his pokemon Gameboy over ther bar!

I was also the guy who came up with the most cutting of nicknames. We called one thicko Chernobyl because he was such a disaster in school. He left before even finishing junior cert I think. I also came up with the name Batman for one of the kids who found out he was actually adopted at age 14!

Anyway, suffice to say, despite being a messer, and being a typical "sports jock" I managed to do excellently in the LC. I've also continued to go from strength to strength and now work on the very cutting edge of European finance and am doing very well for myself indeed.

I really hope you're trolling when you're boasting about what a great teenage bully you were.

helimachoptor

dead most of them

Aongus Von Bismarck

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

I really hope you're trolling when you're boasting about what a great teenage bully you were.

I'm just sharing a few anecdotes from my teenage years. You can hardly equate the behaviour of a teenager with a man in his thirties today. It's not as if I'd go around smashing colleagues electronic devices off in to the sky with a hurl. For one thing, it would be much harder with the golf clubs in my office!

Anyway, everyone knew all that messing was just boys being boys. As it so happens Chernobyl now works as an attendant at the local petrol station. I always call down to see him and get him to wash my BMW (even though it's a rental car and there is no need). I always tip him generously and it has yet to fail to put a big smile on his little face.

osarusan

I killed them with my bare hands.

BrokenArrows

I honestly haven't a clue what happened 95% of my classmates from primary/secondary.

Im still friends with one of them but dont keep track on the rest.
Occasionally bump into some of them when im back in the town, generally pushing around prams etc. but i go little further than just saying hi.

Widdershins

He's doing fine although I think he's lonely, which probably isn't unusual complaint for young farmers.He runs his family farm which was probably the plan all along. He was just marking time at school so he probably thought he might as well entertain himself. At secondary school he was mildly amusing, as an adult he comes across as a bit lost.

Teachers should really ignore the disruptive ones if they can't reign them in quickly, rather than spending most of the class allowing themselves to be distracted.