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What happened to the messers in your school after the LC?

jeanjolie

Know lads about to do the Leaving Cert and a few of the popular messers says that they have barely started studying.:pac:

Is the old trope of the messer working for the nerdy kid they made fun of true?

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The Backwards Man

I turned out alright

Avatar MIA

Copying threads now, I'd say a new low... but not sure that's true.

AllForIt

Avatar MIA wrote: »

Copying threads now, I'd say a new low... but not sure that's true.

I've noticed a lot of that going on at the moment.

mzungu

They joined the militant wing of the Salvation Army.

Beyondgone

The biggest messer in ours started a Plant hire business and now drives a Porsche, the second biggest messer did alright too, well, I can't complain.

Solomon Pleasant

Very often the "messers" in school end up in worse situations than the supposedly "stupid" students.

The stupid student, or rather nonacademic students, often have talents that lay in other areas and many do go on to forge successful careers for themselves.

The messers, however, often lack determination and focus and, consequently, struggle to establish solid and productive lives for themselves.

I always much preferred the student who wasn't the most academically competent over the loud-mouth messer who couldn't keep his/her mouth shut.

jeanjolie

Avatar MIA wrote: »

Copying threads now, I'd say a new low... but not sure that's true.

You talking to me mate?

Stoner

jeanjolie wrote:

Is the old trope of the messer working for the nerdy kid they made fun of true?

No I don't think so. In school we had three first year classes and only one left for the leaving cert.
I think four went on to third level education, one dropped out.

The messers were largly gone by that stage. I've come across some on Facebook doing ok, some ended up going down the wrong road, drugs took others. Some of them have been successful with money and the arts.

It's very hard to tell but I've yet to have one work for me. I wouldn't go down that road anyway. It's a mixed bag. Believe it or not but I'm one of the qualified ones, would I say now that the leaving cert was essential? Not necessarily, but sitting it was imo.

I've a brother 15 years older than me and his class was more successful, as was my father's 40 years before that again, it seems things went backwards in our school.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

One of them is now a teacher. Funny that because she was taking escasty at the junior discos in second year and spent more time in the principals office than the principal did.

Some ended up in prison
Some ended up fully time mammys to acute angles
Loads did childcare courses and got knocked up early on (even the lesbian!)

[Deleted User]

Depends what you mean by messer. If you mean the smart alec at the back of the class, always talking, never doing homework...well I married the pretty one 2 rows ahead. If you mean real messer, drugs, violence, bullying...they largely ended up being arseholes, and now I get to tell them they were arseholes when they come looking for advice...

jeanjolie

Solomon Pleasant wrote: »

Very often the "messers" in school end up in worse situations than the supposedly "stupid" students.

The stupid student, or rather nonacademic students, often have talents that lay in other areas and many do go on to forge successful careers for themselves.

The messers, however, often lack determination and focus and, consequently, struggle to establish solid and productive lives for themselves.

I always much preferred the student who wasn't the most academically competent over the loud-mouth messer who couldn't keep his/her mouth shut.

Wouldn't say that was the same thing for Elliot Rodger

Of course he's a rare exception but I don't know...Don't they say in todays world that connections are more important. Even if you have a polite respectful but non-academic kid with a few self esteem issues vs a messer who's popular with everyone (very sociable), I'm sorry but the sad fact is the former will most likely fail than the messer.

That's what I've heard from a lot of people on Reddit.

storker

Most of the wilder guys I knew seemed to marry and settle down early.

jeanjolie

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Some ended up in prison

Not to be rude, but we're they from middle class or working class parents?

The reason I ask is because I read somewhere that violent crimes among middle class/upper class kids is more alarming than among working class kids simply because it's a rarity. How many teens/young adults in Mountjoy have lived in Blackrock, Deansgrange or Donnybrook?

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

jeanjolie wrote: »

Not to be rude, but we're they from middle class or working class parents?

The reason I ask is because I read somewhere that violent crimes among middle class/upper class kids is more alarming than among working class kids simply because it's a rarity. How many teens/young adults in Mountjoy have lived in Blackrock, Deansgrange or Donnybrook?

Both TBH

I know of some people around my age who you kind of knew that was where they'd end up, others came from good families just got in with a bad crowd

mcsaddle

it's so tragic i can't say

wakka12

Most of them turned out alright. Two of the worse ones though, like involved in drug sales from a young age etc, one is now homeless and one is in and out of prison

Noveight

Most of my LC class made it through the mill in one piece. Even the "messers" went and got themselves some sort of degree and a job.

Inevitably there are one or two who fell by the wayside. Many of them got little or no support from home throughout their teenage years, discouraged from academia if anything, so they were always fighting the tide.

Senna

If you mean messer as in class clown and general "do anything for a laugh" and I think he was directly responsible for giving a maths teacher a heart attack (he lived and is still alive 20+ years later) he never studied and scrapped by, but what he lacked academically he made up for in personality and people skills, I know he is doing very well for himself but I have no idea what actual job he works in.

StupidLikeAFox

I know a lad who became a millionaire by chewing bread for gummy chickens

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jeanjolie wrote: »

Know lads about to do the Leaving Cert and a few of the popular messers says that they have barely started studying.:pac:

From my school, a couple of them are now dead. Drink / drugs / suicide.
The rest went into Construction and became cowboy builders/odd jobers, and needless to say are no longer very popular.
Looking back 'the popular messers' often had issues at home.

[Deleted User]

A lot of the time it does go as you'd expect in my experience.
Like the studious ones will prob do well because of having a work ethic. Some of the dodgy ones will be in and out of scrapes.
Messers, not dodgy ones just ones who aren't studious, often can flourish when they aren't spending all their time in an environment they're not suited to.
I'm in my mid 30s and sometimes come across people I went to school with 20 years ago. Only the other day I heard about a girl in my class who was a real A student but not v sociable. She has a massive job now, absolutely huge pay. But she is still alone and doesn't have a whole lot of friends either. So is she successful? I'd say no.
Once a week I meet a guy who was a messer as a teenager but a nice fella too. He has a fairly ok job, I know he had a few ups and downs in his personal life but is in a new relationship now and seems happy. I'd say he's another example of someone who kinda did as someone who taught him might have expected. Another guy who was friends with him, also a messer but again a nice fella, has gone down a wrong road with a substance abuse issue.
Personally I think people who knew me in school wouldn't be surprised with how I'm doing now.
I suppose in my experience people often do go onto a path you might expect, but it's not inevitable either. Personality does change in the twenties, people who lack confidence generally develop it and it can be amazing to see.

endacl

jeanjolie wrote: »

That's what I've heard from a lot of people on Reddit.

Case closed, so.

jeanjolie

Sunny Disposition wrote: »

Only the other day I heard about a girl in my class who was a real A student but not v sociable. She has a massive job now, absolutely huge pay. But she is still alone and doesn't have a whole lot of friends either. So is she successful? I'd say no.

Is she unattractive/below average in looks? Sorry for sounding shallow but I don't see how a girl with money and looks won't have a wide social circle, not necessarily of true friends but of people interested in her romantically or in a friendly way.

Persephone kindness

They carried on being legends.

jeanjolie

Noveight wrote: »

Inevitably there are one or two who fell by the wayside. Many of them got little or no support from home throughout their teenage years, discouraged from academia if anything, so they were always fighting the tide.

Did the drop out?

In America they'd usually go on mass shootings. The kids who are 'rejected socializers (not loners as they seem to crave social interaction), bullied in school and at home, low self esteem added by their appearance, size, race, religion etc.. All adds up to create a mass murderer.

Donald Trump

Nothing changed for the messers in my school after the LC.

The useless shower of degenerates just continued on in the same vein......................
They came back the following year and failed at teaching yet another year of poor students.

Surreptitious

I was the biggest messer in my year but ended up turning that around fairly fast. To be fair I know one is a doctor another became town mayor, a few solicitors, teachers etc and most are married and very well off. It was a strict convent school with a very high level of achievement so many did well for themselves. The ones who didn't go on to further education might have moved away and that. I know some have drug problems now but they are still pretty respectable and functioning in society. Out of us that caused the most trouble we did alright for ourselves afterwards. It was just banter.

jeanjolie

Surreptitious wrote: »

I was the biggest messer in my year but ended up turning that around fairly fast. To be fair I know one is a doctor another became town mayor, a few solicitors, teachers etc and most are married and very well off. It was a strict convent school with a very high level of achievement so many did well for themselves. The ones who didn't go on to further education might have moved away and that. I know some have drug problems now but they are still pretty respectable and functioning in society. Out of us that caused the most trouble we did alright for ourselves afterwards. It was just banter.

How was your school strict?

Surreptitious

jeanjolie wrote: »

How was your school strict?

We had to walk in single file one way down the corridor like in the army. Anything remotely wrong with the uniform we got detention. You couldn't look at someone sideways without the teacher freaking out. You could only eat in one place. We couldn't wear make up have any kind of jewellery and they had intense interviews to even get into transition year. The teachers were bordering on abusive quite a lot too.

tomwaterford

Surreptitious wrote: »

We had to walk in single file one way down the corridor like in the army. Anything remotely wrong with the uniform we got detention. You couldn't look at someone sideways without the teacher freaking out. You could only eat in one place. We couldn't wear make up have any kind of jewellery and they had intense interviews to even get into transition year. The teachers were bordering on abusive quite a lot too.

North korea is nice this time of year though