The DUB Passport/Immigration Queue Thread

Nijmegen

trellheim wrote: »

As a temporary measure DOJ could authorize AGS overtime for example. As I said 300 gate desks are largely idle . DAA could happily direct airlines bus flights across to there ( behind the scenes whinging about "who pays" of course )

AGS overtime is already under pressure and there’s a gang war on in Dublin.

trellheim

Aaaandddd that is up to DOJ to decide though. Politically if INIS could not handle the pressure it would not look good though so I suspect it would not happen.

Stephen Strange

Not going to happen. You can't just stick a guard in a booth, in the same way you can't just grab someone from the street and do it. You may think that all the job entails is sitting in a booth and looking at Irish passports, that's not the case.

medoc

Charlie Flanagan says if there is more space provided he will hire more staff. The DAA can’t keep fobbing people off with the old excuse that passport control is nothing to do with them. It is their responsibility in partnership with the Dept.

http://www.midlands103.com/news-centre/justice-minister-urges-dublin-airport-to-consider-building-extension-to-passport-control-section/

Jamie2k9

medoc wrote: »

Charlie Flanagan says if there is more space provided he will hire more staff. The DAA can’t keep fobbing people off with the old excuse that passport control is nothing to do with them. It is their responsibility in partnership with the Dept.

http://www.midlands103.com/news-centre/justice-minister-urges-dublin-airport-to-consider-building-extension-to-passport-control-section/

Which is why they are providing more space...

Credit Checker Moose

Don't forget that incoming passengers don't earn the DAA money.

billie1b

Stephen Strange wrote: »

Not going to happen. You can't just stick a guard in a booth, in the same way you can't just grab someone from the street and do it. You may think that all the job entails is sitting in a booth and looking at Irish passports, that's not the case.

True, you look at passports from all over the world!

Stephen Strange

billie1b wrote: »

True, you look at passports from all over the world!

A good number of them being forgeries too.

The theres the knowledge of a large amount of not so simple legislation to work with to add

billie1b

Stephen Strange wrote: »

A good number of them being forgeries too.

The theres the knowledge of a large amount of not so simple legislation to work with to add

I know exactly what you’re talking about, deal with it in work everyday only with people departing the country, not arriving. It’s not rocket science once you’re used to it and know the legislations.

trellheim

You can't just stick a guard in a booth, in the same way you can't just grab someone from the street and do it. You may think that all the job entails is sitting in a booth and looking at Irish passports, that's not the case.

There were AGS in those booths up until a year and a bit ago so that argument doesnt hold water. Still plenty of coppers working on immigration here and there

Airport was getting a right lashing on Matt Cooper’s show this evening about yesterdays delays. He was wondering aloud why internal flights and flights from the UK were sent through passport control. Plus non-working of e-gates was mentioned. Were any reasons given by management? Staff shortages? Its only early June as well. Wait till July & Aug.......

Beechwoodspark

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Airport was getting a right lashing on Matt Cooper’s show this evening about yesterdays delays. He was wondering aloud why internal flights and flights from the UK were sent through passport control. Plus non-working of e-gates was mentioned. Were any reasons given by management? Staff shortages? Its only early June as well. Wait till July & Aug.......

The Uk issue is due to airport layout

Get the finger out daa and Minister shane ross

Shane ross made a fool of himself ducking and weaving in an effort to be in all the photos for KT homecoming earlier.

No more soft soap interviews for dalton philips for a start.

He came across as a total prat the other week on radio.

killbillvol2

billie1b wrote: »

I know exactly what you’re talking about, deal with it in work everyday only with people departing the country, not arriving. It’s not rocket science once you’re used to it and know the legislations.

What 'legislations' do you need to know to look at the passports of people leaving the country?

billie1b

killbillvol2 wrote: »

What 'legislations' do you need to know to look at the passports of people leaving the country?

Same as you need to know for someone entering the country, travel visas, normal visa, schengen/non schengen, residency permit etc etc, good few different things, and if you make a mistake and let someone leave the country on the wrong documentation and they’re stopped on the otherside the airline/handling agent you work for gets a €3000 - €5000 fine cause of it.

Credit Checker Moose

Ah yes, I had to educate a ground agent once that Kyiv was not in Russia.

Stephen Strange

billie1b wrote: »

Same as you need to know for someone entering the country, travel visas, normal visa, schengen/non schengen, residency permit etc etc, good few different things, and if you make a mistake and let someone leave the country on the wrong documentation and they’re stopped on the otherside the airline/handling agent you work for gets a €3000 - €5000 fine cause of it.

Ah yes, definitely the same thing.....

trellheim

There is no legal requirement to check for example that they have a valid visa for Canada - how would you know either way if you weren't a Canadian immigration officer - but a passport check and so on is in order

However, As Billie1b says the sending airline gets a hefty fine plus the cost of flying them back to the start point precisely to put some responsibility on the airlines

Open to correction but this AFAIK is why Ryanair have a visa stamp desk, and why they stopped taking Driving licenses as ID for CTA flights

Credit Checker Moose

Canada has a pre clearance program similar to the US ESTA, that can be checked by airlines but that in itself is no guarantee the traveller won't be refused admission. Is the sending airline still liable for such refusals?

I have noticed that no one ever checks for Turkish visas in Ireland despite the fact that visa on arrival is no longer a thing.

The Veteran

There are essentially EU wide carrier liability provisions in place - different States level fines at different levels but the same rules apply. The EU rules have been in place since September 2003.

Interesting but there are no fines on CTA routes.

The carrier that brings you in is responsible for taking you back and also for any escorts that travel with the passenger. Some countries also levy other costs.

Usually an airline will try to pass a fine back to their handling agent. Also, read the small print in your tickets, Airlines will pass any costs they incur back to the passenger.

Inads as they are called are a pain for airlines as if a flight is fully booked they have to offload to carry the inad back. Also, a pattern of inads usually brings hassle to the airline in terms of f attention frOm authorities.

Some countries also have laws that mean airlines can be told in advance to deny boarding

trellheim

Interesting but there are no fines on CTA routes

chuckle, I did not know that, must be something to do with the fact that you don't legally have to carry a passport or what-not on a CTA route.

Stephen Strange

trellheim wrote: »

chuckle, I did not know that, must be something to do with the fact that you don't legally have to carry a passport or what-not on a CTA route.

You do if you're a non-EU National.

Phileas Frog

Stephen Strange wrote: »

You do if you're a non-EU National.

You do if you're not a British or Irish citizen...

trellheim

You do if you're a non-EU National.

you know I know this, and rather than open the debate I was merely pointing out a reason for what TV had said. You are correct btw.

For example in Heathrow BA do not check ID on boarding LHR DUB route - they have that retina scanner thingy. Why ? Because of what TV had said.

MuffinsDa

Phileas Frog wrote: »

You do if you're not a British or Irish citizen...

As discussed many times before, CTA is fundamentally flawed in the absence of a common visa system.
How would you prove you're a British or Irish citizen?

Credit Checker Moose

Not this rabbit hole again! I am not taking the bait.

Hotblack Desiato

MuffinsDa wrote: »

How would you prove you're a British or Irish citizen?

Simple, show them your Irish or British passport in order to prove to them that you don't need to show them a passport

Credit Checker Moose

No need to show any passport.

Irish Steve

MOD Note. Some considerable time ago, I posted the following note, as we had spent a lot of time going round in circles.

Nothing has changed to make this subject acceptable in this thread, which is about delays in T1 inbound

As it was some time ago, this serves as a reminder, but ignoring it will provoke an appropriate response.

On the basis of the very comprehensive and appropriate answer just posted by The Veteran, as of now, this thread is ONLY to discuss the issue of long queues at T1.

ANY POSTS ABOUT THE VALIDITY OR OTHERWISE OF THE 2004 IMMIGRATION ACT, OR THE CTA WILL EARN AN INFRACTION OR BAN OR BOTH

Beechwoodspark

Well said Irish Steve

Inquitus

I travel extensively with work and have never had an unacceptable Q time at T1, it is infinitely better than the UK airports and I have rarely spent more than 5 mins waiting, if that. I waited for an hour and a half one time at 1 am in Stansted with the family not allowed to use the machines for kids, coming back from the US into T5 at Heathrow often takes far longer as well. There's a fair bit of complaining you can do about Dublin airport, but Passport Control is imho not one of them. Generally it is quicker than pretty much anywhere else I go.