So why don't most Travellers.......

thegills

...travelling anymore. Almost all are living in fixed locations such as halting sites or social welfare housing.

Roger Hassenforder

neverever1 wrote: »

People saying that travellers make too much money.

No one begrudges someone earning a coin honestly

neverever1

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

No one begrudges someone earning a coin honestly

Any proof that travellers don't earn honest coin?

Beyondgone

neverever1 wrote: »

Any proof that travellers don't earn honest coin?

You're funny. I like you.

Widdershins

neverever1 wrote: »

Any proof that travellers don't earn honest coin?

Ask them for proof that they do.

neverever1

Widdershins wrote: »

Ask them for proof that they do.

So no one has proof then?

Widdershins

neverever1 wrote: »

So no one has proof then?

No-one's sought any because this is Boards, not the CAB. Plenty of anecdotal proof, though. In my experience the majority of those travellers I've known have not engaged in legitimate work or paid taxes on their earnings.

neverever1

Widdershins wrote: »

No-one's sought any because this is Boards, not the CAB. Plenty of anecdotal proof, though. In my experience the majority of those travellers I've known have not engaged in legitimate work or paid taxes on their earnings.

How do you know them? I have plenty of anecdotal proof that says the opposite of what you're saying.

Widdershins

neverever1 wrote: »

How do you know them? I have plenty of anecdotal proof that says the opposite of what you're saying.

They're friends and acquaintances now. I'm interested to hear it? I haven't heard anyone arguing that they believe the opposite, or why they came to that conclusion, yet.

neverever1

Widdershins wrote: »

They're friends and acquaintances now. I'm interested to hear it? I haven't heard anyone arguing that they believe the opposite, or why they came to that conclusion, yet.

I know and know of lots of travellers who work hard, pay taxes and earn what they have honestly. These people will never make newspaper headlines though.

Gravelly

neverever1 wrote: »

How do you know them? I have plenty of anecdotal proof that says the opposite of what you're saying.

You have proof that the majority of travellers work legitimate jobs and pay taxes? :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Widdershins

neverever1 wrote: »

I know and know of lots of travellers who work hard, pay taxes and earn what they have honestly. These people will never make newspaper headlines though.

They do exist! But I have seen enough evidence that suggests that's still not typical. As for headlines, if the subjects didn't exist at all (if the behaviour wasn't actually happening) there'd be no headlines. There is no good news channel or paper. That's the way it is.

Beyondgone

neverever1 wrote: »

How do you know them? I have plenty of anecdotal proof that says the opposite of what you're saying.

For the giggles - pop up examples of your "anecdotal proof". I'm sure everyone will be hugely interested. I know dozens of Travvelers first hand. I used to trade alongside and with them, aeons ago and we became pals. Shoot, for the craic, I can fill you in on the bits you're missing.

neverever1

Hang on, so no one has proof that all travellers don't earn a fair wage, surely there'd be loads brought in front of court, sent to jail, anything? I think the numbers of travellers who screw this system would be the same percentage wise as everybody else.

Beyondgone

neverever1 wrote: »

Hang on, so no one has proof that all travellers don't earn a fair wage, surely there'd be loads brought in front of court, sent to jail, anything? I think the numbers of travellers who screw this system would be the same percentage wise as everybody else.

Now now..naughty naughty. That's moving the goalposts. The rest of your post is laughable, but like I said - funny's good. Everyone needs a laugh every now and then. Boards can be far too serious betimes. The levity posts like this bring is to be welcomed.

Gravelly

neverever1 wrote: »

Hang on, so no one has proof that all travellers don't earn a fair wage, surely there'd be loads brought in front of court, sent to jail, anything? I think the numbers of travellers who screw this system would be the same percentage wise as everybody else.

I doubt you do think that. If you do, you are very, very, naive.

neverever1

Beyondgone wrote: »

Now now..naughty naughty. That's moving the goalposts. The rest of your post is laughable, but like I said - funny's good. Everyone needs a laugh every now and then. Boards can be far too serious betimes. The levity posts like this bring is to be welcomed.

Well do you have any proof? None?

neverever1

Gravelly wrote: »

I doubt you do think that. If you do, you are very, very, naive.

I prefer to have things backed up with facts. Plenty of people believe myths that they can't prove.

Beyondgone

neverever1 wrote: »

Well do you have any proof? None?

No, none. You are 100% correct and right. You win this argument, damn you anyways. Your cold-logic is too strong to be resisted. I apologise for doubting you and will go off now to flay my back with a willow rod while meditating on what a fool I have been.

Gravelly

neverever1 wrote: »

I prefer to have things backed up with facts. Plenty of people believe myths that they can't prove.

Perfect, I agree totally. So you'll have those stats to hand on the employment rate among the travelling community? You know, the ones showing how they all have legitimate jobs? Or even most of them? Heck, even a decent percentage?

Widdershins

neverever1 wrote: »

I prefer to have things backed up with facts. Plenty of people believe myths that they can't prove.

What's the myth? Have you looked online for news articles about Irish Traveller money rackets and crime rings? Are you aware that many travellers missed out on an academic education, which deprived them of options for making a living?

And where is your own proof?

How do *you* know the many travellers you say are legally working and paying tax?

neverever1

Beyondgone wrote: »

No, none. You are 100% correct and right. You win this argument, damn you anyways. Your cold-logic is too strong to be resisted. I apologise for doubting you and will go off now to flay my back with a willow rod while meditating on what a fool I have been.

You'll know better in future.

Beyondgone

Gravelly wrote: »

Perfect, I agree totally. So you'll have those stats to hand on the employment rate among the travelling community? You know, the ones showing how they all have legitimate jobs? Or even most of them? Heck, even a decent percentage?

ALL Travvelers are 100% legit. It has been proven by first-hand knowledge and cold facts earlier in the thread. You're simply refusing to see the truth.


sorry.. It's a bugger typing while wiping away the tears.. the screens blurry and all.

neverever1

Gravelly wrote: »

Perfect, I agree totally. So you'll have those stats to hand on the employment rate among the travelling community? You know, the ones showing how they all have legitimate jobs? Or even most of them? Heck, even a decent percentage?

I don't have the employment stats for any members of society so until I see any different I will assume that some are scamming the system but 99% of people aren't.

neverever1

Widdershins wrote: »

What's the myth? Have you looked online for news articles about Irish Traveller money rackets and crime rings? Are you aware that many travellers missed out on an academic education, which deprived them of options for making a living?

And where is your own proof?

How do *you* know the many travellers you say are legally working and paying tax?

Well we both have only anecdotal evidence and as we all know that's no evidence at all. If it was so widespread though surely all of you would have something to back it up?

RayM

neverever1 wrote: »

Typical Irish begrudgery all over this thread.

In fairness, it's not begrudgery. Just the usual anti-traveller racism.

People are free to say things on After Hours about Travellers that they would not get away with saying about any other ethnic minority.

magentis

neverever1 wrote: »

I don't have the employment stats for any members of society so until I see any different I will assume that some are scamming the system but 99% of people aren't.

Google is your friend.

Gravelly

neverever1 wrote: »

How do you know them? I have plenty of anecdotal proof that says the opposite of what you're saying.

neverever1 wrote: »

I know and know of lots of travellers who work hard, pay taxes and earn what they have honestly. These people will never make newspaper headlines though.

neverever1 wrote: »

Hang on, so no one has proof that all travellers don't earn a fair wage, surely there'd be loads brought in front of court, sent to jail, anything? I think the numbers of travellers who screw this system would be the same percentage wise as everybody else.

neverever1 wrote: »

Well do you have any proof? None?

neverever1 wrote: »

I prefer to have things backed up with facts. Plenty of people believe myths that they can't prove.

neverever1 wrote: »

I don't have the employment stats for any members of society so until I see any different I will assume that some are scamming the system but 99% of people aren't.

Bit of a change of tune there, no? What happened preferring to have things backed up with proof?

neverever1

RayM wrote: »

In fairness, it's not begrudgery. Just the usual anti-traveller racism.

People are free to say things on After Hours about Travellers that they would not get away with saying about any other ethnic minority.

That's true. Why is it allowed?

neverever1

magentis wrote: »

Google is your friend.

I think you'll find google will tell you what I've told you. Some travellers screw the system but the overwhelming majority don't, the same as everyone else.