How would you react if you accidentally found illegal porn on a friends computer?

Galwayguy35

jeanjolie wrote: »

How was he caught?

I don't know, never heard how he got nicked.

granturismo

jeanjolie wrote: »

How was he caught?

I had a quick look through the thread and I havent seen any post detailing how you would react. You started the thread so it would be appropriate to give your view.

I'd report.

jeanjolie

granturismo wrote: »

I had a quick look through the thread and I havent seen any post detailing how you would react. You started the thread so it would be appropriate to give your view.

I'd report.

Depends. I would assess my knowledge of their psychiatric/personal issues and the type of lifestyle the lead to determine whether to report them.

If they were a normal guy/girl who works a good job, has no issues and we're close friends then no. I would however strongly advise them about the criminal penalties of posessing that type of porn and not to download it in my house or save it on any of my removable media devices.

As long as they're not operating a ring or molesting any children then...what's the harm? Seriously. I know that sounds absolutely mad to some people but rather someone get off to images than the real thing.

sbsquarepants

Wibbs wrote: »

Illegal, like stuff involving children? Ring up the local Garda station and report them. Disowning them would go without saying for me.

I don't care who you are, my friend, my brother, my missus ffs - if I catch you looking at child porn I'm kicking the living shít out of you and reporting you to the cops.

As for anything going on between consenting adults - that's none of my business whatsoever. The list of "illegal" stuff in the UK is ridiculous.
Squirting is against the law - ffs that has got to be one of the most retarded things I've ever heard. Or oral is ok - but only in certain positions, you couldn't make this shít up!!

sbsquarepants

jeanjolie wrote: »

As long as they're not operating a ring or molesting any children then...what's the harm? Seriously. I know that sounds absolutely mad to some people but rather someone get off to images than the real thing.

To quote the great John McEnroe - you can not be serious.

I can't even wrap my head around what you've just said there. What is the harm in someone **** while watching a video of a kid being raped?

What is the harm?

You do know that the images are of the real thing - those aren't CGI kids

Not_A_Racist

What about movies that depict crimes?

Murders are shown all day long, as is torture. Rape is less common to be depicted but it isn't unheard of either.

Is it legal to include a depiction of a child rape in a mainstream movie?
Lolita for example?

Facebook ban pictures of breast feeding women but facebook allows videos of murders to be shown. Execution by chainsaw, a real life crime where the victims face is not obscured and the victim has not consented to his murder being broadcast by Facebook. The victim has living relatives who facebook seem not to care about.

jeanjolie

sbsquarepants wrote: »

To quote the great John McEnroe - you can not be serious.

I can't even wrap my head around what you've just said there. What is the harm in someone **** while watching a video of a kid being raped?

What is the harm?

You do know that the images are of the real thing - those aren't CGI kids

Okay..see your point but would it be okay if it's just an animated cartoon?

jeanjolie

sbsquarepants wrote: »

I don't care who you are, my friend, my brother, my missus ffs - if I catch you looking at child porn I'm kicking the living shít out of you and reporting you to the cops.

As for anything going on between consenting adults - that's none of my business whatsoever. The list of "illegal" stuff in the UK is ridiculous.
Squirting is against the law - ffs that has got to be one of the most retarded things I've ever heard. Or oral is ok - but only in certain positions, you couldn't make this shít up!!

Are you overexaggerating or serious?

endacl

I'm aware that if I didn't report, I'd be complicit in abuse. I couldn't be complicit in abuse, ergo I'd report.

Quod Erat Demonstrandum.

TBH, this is a quandary that isn't a quandary at all.

Not_A_Racist

It is an issue, Endacl.

What if you found out that your 15 year old son had received a nude picture of his 15 year old girlfriend.

She is guilty of producing and distributing child porn and he is guilty of receiving and possessing it.


Also, you can use a tool to download an entire tumblr blog for example. If you download 1,000 images and one or two are suspect you haven't done that intentionally.

There are jail bait blogs which are suspect obviously.

Zulu

jeanjolie wrote: »

As long as they're not operating a ring or molesting any children then...what's the harm? Seriously. I know that sounds absolutely mad to some people but rather someone get off to images than the real thing.

Seriously?

Because a demand drives market

eviltwin

jeanjolie wrote: »

Depends. I would assess my knowledge of their psychiatric/personal issues and the type of lifestyle the lead to determine whether to report them.

If they were a normal guy/girl who works a good job, has no issues and we're close friends then no. I would however strongly advise them about the criminal penalties of posessing that type of porn and not to download it in my house or save it on any of my removable media devices.

As long as they're not operating a ring or molesting any children then...what's the harm? Seriously. I know that sounds absolutely mad to some people but rather someone get off to images than the real thing.

Wow, do you really believe that? First of all, it's not porn, let's stop calling it that. It's images of children being abused. Child abuse is horrific, it takes a warped mind to be able to look at images of children being raped and assaulted and not only not be sickened by it but to find it arousing. You really think you could turn a blind eye to that? Every child in those images is a victim, every person who uses those images for their own pleasure is culpable in that abuse. I'm really shocked anyone would try and rationalise it.

A member of my family did time for this. He may not have personally touched a child but the fact he could use images of a child being raped as **** material makes him equally as bad in my eyes. How would any decent person ever feel comfortable around someone like that knowing what they've been looking at.

Not_A_Racist

What about fake pictures that don't involve real children being abused?

Is that legal?

Is it acceptable to depict child rape if no children have actually been raped?

It is legal to depict other crimes, like murder, torture and rape.

sbsquarepants

jeanjolie wrote: »

Are you overexaggerating or serious?

If anything I'm toning it down a bit.

Anyone who even looks at something like that should be publicly boiled in their own piss as an example to others.

Wardling

Report them...no hesitation. Even if it's a family member.

If it was child porn or snuff you'd have to worry it would eventually escalate from virtual to reality. I couldn't forgive myself knowing I could have reported it before it became a reality.

sbsquarepants

jeanjolie wrote: »

Okay..see your point but would it be okay if it's just an animated cartoon?

Cartoons, I don't know if I'd report, I suppose it would depend how jokey / realistic they where. I honestly don't know.
But I'd find it disgusting and very worrying that anyone would even watch a cartoon of something like that and it would definitely change my opinion of them. At the very least I'd have nothing more to do with them.
There are some lines you just don't cross and child porn, even animated is very much on the wrong side of it - I just wouldn't have anything to do with anyone who had even the slightest interest.

Permabear

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Not_A_Racist

Not_A_Racist wrote: »

What about fake pictures that don't involve real children being abused?

Is that legal?

Is it acceptable to depict child rape if no children have actually been raped?

It is legal to depict other crimes, like murder, torture and rape.

I believe it's illegal for representations of children, so pornographic cartoons featuring child rape etc would also be considered criminal. I

t used to be legal in Japan for cartoons to depict children enthusiastically participating in sex acts, and I can see the argument against that, for obvious reasons.

An Ri rua

If you've seen the illegal porn, aren't you also guilty under law? AFAIK one is

An Ri rua

An Ri rua wrote: »

If you've seen the illegal porn, aren't you also guilty under law? AFAIK one is

I think the legal system will differentiate between someone who downloads and consumes illegal porn and someone who happens upon it and informs the police.

Not_A_Racist

These issues can't really be solved as people's behaviour is an aspect of culture, and we don't have a single culture anymore, we have multiple competing cultures.

So, different cultures will have very different opinions as to what's ok and what's not.

I'll give as an example here the issue of child beauty pagaents, where some children are overly sexualised and are wearing adult clothes and makeup. Some people think that's ok and others think it's tantamount to child abuse.

What about Miley Cyrus and her antics?
Some young people may flaunt their sexuality simply because they're young, they want a reaction and to be noticed, and they're testing boundaries.

Young people appear to be prematurely sexualised today.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Zulu wrote: »

Seriously?

Because a demand drives market

That's really only an argument if you're paying for it.

People who make this kinda thing aren't doing or for the money.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

An Ri rua wrote: »

If you've seen the illegal porn, aren't you also guilty under law? AFAIK one is

No, you have to be in possession of it and know about it. And having it in your cache is classed as both (AFAIK).

Zulu

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

That's really only an argument if you're paying for it.

That's overly simplistic and not true.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Zulu wrote: »

That's overly simplistic and not true.

My point is: it would exist one way or the other. People are always going try share and pedophiles are no different.

Not_A_Racist

Malicious hackers can place child porn on your computer.

What happens if hackers start attacking public figures using that methods?

Should a public figure pay a ransom if they're attacked in this way?

How do you defend yourself against this?

Hackers in the past were merely vandals. Now hacking is a serious criminal enterprise. We should expect far more criminal hacks where money is the motive.

Zulu

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

My point is: it would exist one way or the other. People are always going try share and pedophiles are no different.

You say that like the sharing has no impact at all on the victims.

Your point is I'll conceived at best, or disgracefully callous and flippant at worst. I'll offer you the benefit of doubt that it's the former.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Zulu wrote: »

You say that like the sharing has no impact at all on the victims.

Your point is I'll conceived at best, or disgracefully callous and flippant at worst. I'll offer you the benefit of doubt that it's the former.

My point is: it's more than just demand fuelling it. How you can discribe it as any of the above, I have no idea.

To assume that ridding the demand eradicates the problem is niave.

Zulu

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

To assume that ridding the demand eradicates the problem is niave.

And yet I've never said that.

As opposed to building a strawman, you could just admit you've been over simplistic, or that you hadn't considered it.

Demand is driven by more than simply people paying for it. You can try to avoid that simple statement, but I'd have to ask why?

An Ri rua

Candie wrote:

I think the legal system will differentiate between someone who downloads and consumes illegal porn and someone who happens upon it and informs the police.

I think you're confusing fairness with legality.
Anyone tipping off such activity would be best advised to do so anonymously.
Make a statement? That you also viewed the material? No thanks