Drug use in early / mid Twenties

killanena

So the area and pretty much every college city I visit I have seen drug use rampant in people my age. I'm 23. Can't say that I have never taken anything myself but I just got wondering is every generation the same during these years of your lives? I mean a good 80% of people my age I've met in the past 5 years are frequent users of some substance.

Donald Trump

killanena wrote: »

So the area and pretty much every college city I visit I have seen drug use rampant in people my age. I'm 23. Can't say that I have never taken anything myself but I just got wondering is every generation the same during these years of your lives? I mean a good 80% of people my age I've met in the past 5 years are frequent users of some substance.

Oh my  God. Is this despicable behaviour really happening? Yes, you are correct. Your generation invented all that bad/cool/dodgy stuff. Sex and drugs and the whole caboodle.

Wasn't like that in my day I tell ya

FizzleSticks

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Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

FizzleSticks wrote: »

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I don't know if I agree with that sorry. For example there was essentially no drug use in Ireland during the 1950's, during the 1970's it was probably just a bit of wacky backy in urban areas. It's only really since the 1980's that Irish people have been doing hard drugs, and even at that it was only after then that drug use started to become acceptable to more and more people. Up to today where recreational drug use seems acceptable (excluding heroin) to probably the majority of people under 40.

As in, there's been a radical change in Ireland within a generation that wasn't there before.

Donald Trump

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

I don't know if I agree with that sorry. For example there was essentially no drug use in Ireland during the 1950's, during the 1970's it was probably just a bit of wacky backy in urban areas. It's only really since the 1980's that Irish people have been doing hard drugs, and even at that it was only after then that drug use started to become acceptable to more and more people. Up to today where recreational drug use seems acceptable (excluding heroin) to probably the majority of people under 40.

As in, there's been a radical change in Ireland within a generation that wasn't there before.

Not quite. Sure your poor old Granny, the Lord have mercy on her, used to go on about smoking crack cocaine back in college back in the day.

But that said, we know it's not exactly true. She never went to college for feck sake.

And sure you could hardly expect her to remember what she did in her late teens and early 20s what with all that crack smoking!

Samuel T. Cogley

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

I don't know if I agree with that sorry. For example there was essentially no drug use in Ireland during the 1950's, during the 1970's it was probably just a bit of wacky backy in urban areas. It's only really since the 1980's that Irish people have been doing hard drugs, and even at that it was only after then that drug use started to become acceptable to more and more people. Up to today where recreational drug use seems acceptable (excluding heroin) to probably the majority of people under 40.

As in, there's been a radical change in Ireland within a generation that wasn't there before.

The 1900 - 1950 were a bit of as dry spell, both after and before people have been happily taking all sorts. Ireland perhaps not so much but we've caught up with the rest of the developed world now. (That's not meant to be pejorative.)

OP try everything once, maybe not heroin; that's a bit moreish.

Arghus

Substance abuse? I love substances. I love abusing substances substantively.

Samuel T. Cogley

Donald Trump wrote: »

Not quite. Sure your poor old Granny, the Lord have mercy on her, used to go on about smoking crack cocaine back in college back in the day.

But that said, we know it's not exactly true. She never went to college for feck sake.

And sure you could hardly expect her to remember what she did in her late teens and early 20s what with all that crack smoking!

I'm quite sure my granny (probably her mother tbh) would have had free and easy access to morphine. People forget heroin is a brand name.

Ultimate Seduction

Would Irish people have eaten many magic mushrooms back in the 1900s i wonder

ardinn

Certainly do not try everything except heroin - what about meth - freely available all over the place now, crack is too - so no, thats bad advice.

XTC is not what it used to be - but if anyone offers you any speckled mitsy's get about 50!

Speed is meh - hangover is not worth it.

Coke is too dear coz your poor.

If your looking for trips DMT is worth a go and getting very popular, mushrooms are always good and some nice herb never ever hurt anyone. When trippin, be with people who are good! As in good people who wont mess with you and know what they are doing, the more chemicals involved generally the worse it is for you, so make up your own mind after that!

ardinn

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Would Irish people have eaten many magic mushrooms back in the 1900s i wonder

Magic mushrooms are believed now to be the sole reason human brains doubled in size and we evolved into what we are now from stone age imbciles! So in response - I hope so!

Samuel T. Cogley

ardinn wrote: »

Certainly do not try everything except heroine

Definitely try her - I like strong women.

Ultimate Seduction

ardinn wrote:

Magic mushrooms are believed now to be the sole reason human brains doubled in size and we evolved into what we are now from stone age imbciles! So in response - I hope so!

The Jungle Juice in the Peruvian forrests are responsible for that I believe.

ardinn

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

The Jungle Juice in the Peruvian forrests are responsible for that I believe.

ayahuasca for the win - If I had the money i'd be gone in the morning!

Solomon Pleasant

One thing in particular that has shocked me has been the growth of drug use in rural areas. It's not just a few boundary pushing teenagers that participate in recreational drug use but it seems to be a majority of men aged between 15-24 regularly taking.

It's incredibly disheartening to directly witness the effects on individuals you have grown up with and on the community in general. It's a huge reason why I abhor and oppose drugs on such an adamant level.

Lorelli!

I've only ever smoked weed a handfull of times and that's it and a couple of those times it had no effect on me!

Once, I got into an uncontrollable laughter which was fun. The first time I tried it, I was at a bonfire with my friends and a joint was passed round and I was a bit stoned. There were some lads from the year above me in school there and I can't remember what we were talking about but the next day, one of them approached me and asked me to join their band :pac:

I was just never interested in trying any other drugs but I know lots of people who are more experimental and they treat it in moderation as a lot of people do with drink.

I've also seen people badly affected by drug use too though.

Winterlong

I think the difference is that these days it seems easier to get hard drugs then when I came of age. Hash, acid, e and speed were easily available but I never had coke at that age.

ScumLord

Solomon Pleasant wrote: »

One thing in particular that has shocked me has been the growth of drug use in rural areas. It's not just a few boundary pushing teenagers that participate in recreational drug use but it seems to be a majority of men aged between 15-24 regularly taking.

It's incredibly disheartening to directly witness the effects on individuals you have grown up with and on the community in general. It's a huge reason why I abhor and oppose drugs on such an adamant level.

Remember the building boom? It was like everyone, absolutely everyone in the country was on drugs, you could go into the pub and see the priest dancing on the tables off his head on yolks. Every single small town that had a builder in it had a drug scene, it's a good job facebook wasn't a thing because when I look back on pictures from then and everyone is off their heads.

Once Ireland had the disposable income we spent it on drugs, and now those people are in their late 30, early 40s.

Unfortunately the harder drugs like cocaine, alcohol or yolks are a young person's game, that generation only do hard drugs on special occasions when they have the time, for many of them weed replaced alcohol.

If anything it's calmed down since the height of the building boom, people don't go as much as they did back then. Every single town was jammers with people, all off their heads and that's gone now. So there's no way kids today are any worse than we were, they're all quiet and sensible there's no madness in them at all.

Arcade_Tryer

Previous generations used alcohol predominantly, a far more devastating and ultimately destructive drug than what young people today are using. And of course alcohol is the heavily advertised and admired drug in Irish society, as opposed to the big, bad dangerous drugs which can see you arrested and charged with a criminal conviction for possession of even a small amount.

Basically young people get screwed either way. They finally wise up to the fact that alcohol is a fool's drug, and far more dangerous than the new party drugs they have migrated to i.e. safer party drugs, and then have to deal with the results of this sensible decision by facing the legal dangers of using said drugs.

ScumLord

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

Previous generations used alcohol predominantly, a far more devastating and ultimately destructive drug than what young people today are using. And of course alcohol is the heavily advertised and admired drug in Irish society, as opposed to the big, bad dangerous drugs which can see you arrested and charged with a criminal conviction for possession of even a small amount.

Basically young people get screwed either way. They finally wise up to the fact that alcohol is a fool's drug, and far more dangerous than the new party drugs they have migrated to i.e. safer party drugs, and then have to deal with the results of this sensible decision by facing the legal dangers of using said drugs.

I don't think we should be promoting the idea that the illegal drugs are safer than alcohol. Maybe in their pure form you might be able to make that argument, but illegal street drugs can be anything, they can have dangerous secondary chemicals added and so on.

Certainly making these drugs illegal just compounds any inherent dangers. It's just safer to regulate them no matter how opposed other are to them on moral grounds.

But they're at least as dangerous as alcohol, in some ways more dangerous, in others less dangerous, but they are certainly not safer than alcohol.

darced

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J Mysterio

ardinn wrote: »

Magic mushrooms are believed now to be the sole reason human brains doubled in size and we evolved into what we are now from stone age imbciles! So in response - I hope so!

lol, where did you get that nugget?

kunst nugget

J Mysterio wrote: »

lol, where did you get that nugget?

From his kunst!!!

J Mysterio

My experience is that a good deal of 16 - 25 year olds these days just don't abuse alcohol they way I did (and continue to do really). They just don't binge drink and they don't drink near as often. Kids these days are massively image conscious and health obsessed.

J Mysterio

kunst nugget wrote: »

From his kunst!!!

Did you know that kunst is German for Art? There you go.

kunst nugget

J Mysterio wrote: »

Did you know that kunst is German for Art? There you go.

I do indeed, only the German language could make art sound like an insult…

nelly17

J Mysterio wrote: »

lol, where did you get that nugget?

Pretty sure he came up with that on shrooms

SEPT 23 1989

How can they go mad when every move is recorded?

Some of the states we got into on various things are only memories now

thank god:D

uch

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

Previous generations used alcohol predominantly, a far more devastating and ultimately destructive drug than what young people today are using. And of course alcohol is the heavily advertised and admired drug in Irish society, as opposed to the big, bad dangerous drugs which can see you arrested and charged with a criminal conviction for possession of even a small amount.

Basically young people get screwed either way. They finally wise up to the fact that alcohol is a fool's drug, and far more dangerous than the new party drugs they have migrated to i.e. safer party drugs, and then have to deal with the results of this sensible decision by facing the legal dangers of using said drugs.

Talking through yer hole here, I grew up in the late 70's early 80's in a group of 10 people, there were 6 heroin addicts and 2 alcoholics, 5 of the heroin addicts are dead, the 2 alco's are still flying, I'm the only junkie still alive, it took me over 20 years to get clean, so to say drink is more dangerous than drugs is in my opinion someone with no clue about either talking through their arsé.

ScumLord

uch wrote: »

Talking through yer hole here, I grew up in the late 70's early 80's in a group of 10 people, there were 6 heroin addicts and 2 alcoholics, 5 of the heroin addicts are dead, the 2 alco's are still flying, I'm the only junkie still alive, it took me over 20 years to get clean, so to say drink is more dangerous than drugs is in my opinion someone with no clue about either talking through their arsé.

Well the problem is plenty of people have experience of people on drugs and people on alcohol. People who use drugs recreationally on a night out, tend to take something to get high, they get high, then enjoy that high. With alcohol you're constantly consuming the drug, you're getting more and more inebriated as the night goes on sometimes to the point you're not aware of what you're doing and you get into real trouble. With some drugs like LSD and even ecstasy you get high, then it ends, and you can't really get high again for a while, so doing more is pointless.

While people who use other drugs can do the same I don't think the likes of ecstasy encourages that sort of use, even with heroin it seems like you take you're high and ride it out. Although I have no experience with heroin, maybe I'm wrong.

Taking drink, leads to more drink, it's like snowball effect, the more you drink the more you want to drink, especially in young people. Alcohol is insidious, it can be friendly one minute and aggressive the next, with the other illegal drugs at least you know what you're getting, they sort of do exactly what it says on the tin so to speak. It's only really with consistent abuse that you start to see problems.

BalcombeSt4

If your doing it for like a bit of craic on a weekend I'd do a bit of Coke or if you can get some good E tabs.

If you wanna just chill I'd do some Opiates like Heroin or Morphine, or Benzo's like Xanax or Valium. Zopiclone can be intresting to.

ardinn

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

If you wanna just chill I'd do some Opiates like Heroin or Morphine

What????

Rumpy Pumpy

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

If your doing it for like a bit of craic on a weekend I'd do a bit of Coke or if you can get some good E tabs.

If you wanna just chill I'd do some Opiates like Heroin or Morphine, or Benzo's like Xanax or Valium. Zopiclone can be intresting to.

You'd have found yourself getting a good old fashioned Republican kneecaping for indulging in that sort of behaviour not so long ago.

Sofiztikated

ardinn wrote: »

What????

It is possible to use opiates responsibly.

Same way not every drinker turns into a alcoholic.

They just tend to be very morish.

HenryHill

2000-2010

"Reach for the lasers, safe as ****"

wordofwarning

uch wrote: »

Talking through yer hole here, I grew up in the late 70's early 80's in a group of 10 people, there were 6 heroin addicts and 2 alcoholics, 5 of the heroin addicts are dead, the 2 alco's are still flying, I'm the only junkie still alive, it took me over 20 years to get clean, so to say drink is more dangerous than drugs is in my opinion someone with no clue about either talking through their arsé.

I think it depends on whether you look at harm to users or harm to society on whether a drug is bad or not. Heroin is generally bad for the user, where as alcohol tends to be worse for society

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-11660210

ScumLord

Sofiztikated wrote: »

It is possible to use opiates responsibly.

Same way not every drinker turns into a alcoholic.

They just tend to be very morish.

I remember there was a story on some channel 4 documentary about a doctor who had been using heroin for decades, he had a clean supply and controlled it. You'd never know he was using heroin and he functioned normally. But the bottom line is, he was still a heroin addict. If he lost he's clean supply he'd be out on the streets doing whatever he could to find more. He'd likely be dead within a year or two as the same documentary highlighted when a clean heroin scheme in the UK got shut down.

The scheme would give clean heroin to addicts and they'd be able to live normal lives, even giving up things like prostitution because they no longer needed the money. The law got changed and they could no longer get clean heroin, most were dead within two years.

But they were still addicted to a dangerous drug, made so much more dangerous by its legal status. A heroin addict is a heroin addict, they're easy prey for anybody due to that addiction. I don't ever see a time when people will be able to use heroin recreationally. It's nearly always going to break people and open them up to further abuse.

But offering clean heroin to addicts is the first step in rehabilitation, the ideal would be for no one to use heroin but that's just not going to happen. controlling that addiction with a view to becoming clean eventually should be the goal. We should also be willing to accept that some people will be heroin addicts their whole lives and they'll never be able to kick it. Even if they want to remain addicts we should supply the drug to them it's better than any of the alternatives.

Bambi985

Maybe it's about the circles you move in. I was a pretty naive young thing, might have had a few puffs of a spliff that was doing the rounds at a house party, but as a teenager/early 20s it was all about the jager bombs and vodka cokes for me.
Had a very "DRUGS ARE BAD, DON'T DO DRUGS" upbringing so was largely ignorant to the folks out the back doing lines or whatever on nights out. Never did it, never saw it.

Tried the Charlie a couple of times in my late 20s but realised how much of an utter prick it turned me into so never went as far as forming a habit with it.

C Montgomery Gurns II

ardinn wrote: »

XTC is not what it used to be - but if anyone offers you any speckled mitsy's get about 50!

It's funny- apparently your average pill is as strong, if not stronger, than the early 90s'. Any time this story gets put out it invariably leads to a load of comments from old timers about how the pills ain't what they used to be.

The funny thing is, when I started raving in 2002, the yokes blew the head off me. The white Mitzis were pretty much the standard (in fact it's only in th last few years I've commonly started seeing yokes that are colured anyting other than white r shaped like non circular objects) Yet at every rave, house party, and so on, there would always be a few surviving refugees from the summer of 89, the Asylum and Olympic Ballroom days, lads who back then were in their late 20's early 30's, yammering on about how the pills just ain't what they used to be.

Fast forward 15 years, the pills are apparently as strong as ever, yet I'd say it's at least 4 years since I was mangled off of one like I could get in the old days, when the older lads were moaning that the yokes had gone to the dogs. And, being older and wiser, and with the amount of talk you hear about delayed effect PMA knocking about these days, I just don't like doing more than one to stay safe. But the effects of one in the old days- the initial prickling of the toes that indicates it's in the post on the way, the music pulsating through me, the sense of oneness with utter strangers, talking deep and meaningful nonsense like the kitchen party scene in Human Traffic (I still waffle in the taxi on the way back, but I don't think as much as we once did), I just don't get quite there anymore despite the yips apparently being stronger than they were back when I did get like that. I still feel good and can have an oul bop on the floor, but not like it was way back when.

Strong or weak, I think eventually the head just builds a tolerance, or even a boredom, towards taking them. Same with the drink- I could easily drink for 18 hours straight as a young lad without the need for a narcotic to keep going (although it helped :pac:) these days without a cheeky line or a half a yoke I'd be struggling to care if I was in a nightclub beyond 1am having only been out since early evening.

jeanjolie

Isn't this a form of confirmation bias?

The Irish not using drug are probably just normal people who probably also don't go out of their way to garner attention. Not all drug consumers are attention-seekers but it definitely is a common trend among young people who take multiple drugs.

General Butt Naked

Worst thing about the Irish is importing the moronic rave culture from the UK.

jeanjolie

General Butt Naked wrote: »

Worst thing about the Irish is importing the moronic rave culture from the UK.

LOL couldn't have said it more correctly...this video from the American economist Max Keiser perfectly captures the issue of drugs among a lot of Irish youth in terms of motivation

General Butt Naked

Yep. 'Raving' is a bunch of scummy looking guys hanging out in some ****ty nightclub. I hate the retarded pill culture in this country.

Sofiztikated

**** me, that pair are hard to listen to.

J Mysterio

General Butt Naked wrote: »

Anyone else get a perverse thrill in seeing people harm themselves with drugs?

Wtf?

Mena Mitty

jeanjolie wrote: »

LOL couldn't have said it more correctly...this video from the American economist Max Keiser perfectly captures the issue of drugs among a lot of Irish youth in terms of motivation

That's a genuine video...I actually thought it was a Max Koch sketch. Better finish up the cocoa and go asleep.

Savage Tyrant

I haven't touched ecstasy in over 12 years. I'm older now, with kids, and honestly the comedown and hangover was brutal for me. I wouldn't have any interest in doing it again... but I did it every weekend (mostly) for a couple of years.
Cocaine I've done twice (well 2 sessions) a stag weekend and a wedding a few months later. That was last year... I'd probably do that again on specific occasions like weddings or stags. I quite liked it actually.
Cannabis is the substance I use most frequently. Like every evening an hour before bed. It should be legal. I think it will be legal here eventually. It has zero negative effects (a little bit of introspective paranoia sometimes but is easy to handle when you know what it is) and is very enjoyable. The price is the only real negative.
The real magic is in psychedelics like mushrooms, truffles or my personal favourite DMT. They are fun, frightening in a good way and surprisingly insightful. I would recommend DMT to anyone who has a genuinely inquisitive mind... it's fascinating and astonishing.

I'd definitely stay away from opiates, especially herion. Never heard a good story about "the craic we had those few years we were on heroin"... maybe that's down to supply and purity. But I certainly wouldn't want to go down that road at all.

I'm of the opinion that most things can be done in moderation. Anything can be abused... alcohol being the worst in my opinion.

HenryHill

General Butt Naked wrote: »

Worst thing about the Irish is importing the moronic rave culture from the UK.

Stupid comment.

HenryHill

C Montgomery Gurns II wrote: »

It's funny- apparently your average pill is as strong, if not stronger, than the early 90s'. Any time this story gets put out it invariably leads to a load of comments from old timers about how the pills ain't what they used to be.

The funny thing is, when I started raving in 2002, the yokes blew the head off me. The white Mitzis were pretty much the standard (in fact it's only in th last few years I've commonly started seeing yokes that are colured anyting other than white r shaped like non circular objects) Yet at every rave, house party, and so on, there would always be a few surviving refugees from the summer of 89, the Asylum and Olympic Ballroom days, lads who back then were in their late 20's early 30's, yammering on about how the pills just ain't what they used to be.

Fast forward 15 years, the pills are apparently as strong as ever, yet I'd say it's at least 4 years since I was mangled off of one like I could get in the old days, when the older lads were moaning that the yokes had gone to the dogs. And, being older and wiser, and with the amount of talk you hear about delayed effect PMA knocking about these days, I just don't like doing more than one to stay safe. But the effects of one in the old days- the initial prickling of the toes that indicates it's in the post on the way, the music pulsating through me, the sense of oneness with utter strangers, talking deep and meaningful nonsense like the kitchen party scene in Human Traffic (I still waffle in the taxi on the way back, but I don't think as much as we once did), I just don't get quite there anymore despite the yips apparently being stronger than they were back when I did get like that. I still feel good and can have an oul bop on the floor, but not like it was way back when.

Strong or weak, I think eventually the head just builds a tolerance, or even a boredom, towards taking them. Same with the drink- I could easily drink for 18 hours straight as a young lad without the need for a narcotic to keep going (although it helped :pac:) these days without a cheeky line or a half a yoke I'd be struggling to care if I was in a nightclub beyond 1am having only been out since early evening.

2003-2007 was a special time in dublin for rave.
Clubs like Spirit, Redbox/Tripod, The vaults had big names weekly. That along with the many many secret partys that used to go on till the next afternoon sometimes later.

What a time to be alive. Memories that will stay with me forever.

Auldloon

Though we did go to Dublin the odd time there was a savage party scene in Clare/Galway at that time 2. Great memories not that I actually remember much!

WellThen?

HenryHill wrote: »

2003-2007 was a special time in dublin for rave.
Clubs like Spirit, Redbox/Tripod, The vaults had big names weekly. That along with the many many secret partys that used to go on till the next afternoon sometimes later.

What a time to be alive. Memories that will stay with me forever.

Boyfriend here beside me said he was a regular in both of those. When spirit opened first weekend it stayed open from friday 10pm all the way through to sunday 4am. If you had a cloakroom ticket from friday and showed it at the bar on sunday night you got a free bottle of champagne. Literally made for massive rollovers. Also the dancers on the podiums got their tits out. They dont make clubs like that anymore.