US considering Preemptive Strike against North Korea.

Chrongen

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

I was curious about this previously and read an explanation stating that there are two plausible reasons.

A) They are located strategically to protect specific targets. Hence there is no point firing them for missiles that are going down in the sea.
once they are activated then how they work becomes known and leads to the possibility of counter measures being developed.

So are they located to protect population centres? And when are they supposed to do their "thing"? When the warheads are seconds from raining down on the "specific" targets?

And you talk about these defense batteries needing to remain "secret". If that was true then wouldn't the North Koreans just fire up a load of missiles so these oh-so-secret defensive interceptor systems would be deployed thus revealing their positions?

Seriously? The explanations for this whole farce are entering the twilight zone.

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Pepefrogok wrote: »

It's incredible how far Korean relations have came on so soon into trumps presidency! Even the most optimistic could not have imagined things going so well!

Two Koreas to march under unified flag at PyeongChang opening ceremony. That can't be a bad thing, has Kim seen the light?

It gets better, they plan to send an “army of beauties” in the form of a cheerleading squad to the upcoming Winter Olympics in South Korea.

Kim personally picks the women alongside other officials based on their beauty and family circumstances. They must be over 5 feet 3 inches tall and come from good families.
Sounds like Party-fun-time.

Cheerful Spring

Evie Big Troop wrote: »

Two Koreas to march under unified flag at PyeongChang opening ceremony. That can't be a bad thing, has Kim seen the light?

It gets better, they plan to send an “army of beauties” in the form of a cheerleading squad to the upcoming Winter Olympics in South Korea.

Kim personally picks the women alongside other officials based on their beauty and family circumstances. They must be over 5 feet 3 inches tall and come from good families.
Sounds like Party-fun-time.

No, he hasn't seen the light. After the Winter Olympics, we back to square one. Even a break down of what I think are nothing talks will increase the tension in that area of the world. If you watching closely Trump is beefing up his military options to attack North Korea. New Warships heading to the Asia Pacific and four new nuclear-armed bombers stationed at Guam including more troops.

Cheerful Spring

Japan experienced allegedly a similar fake drill right after this Hawaii incident. You have to wonder if it not a drill, but readying people for the real thing?

Madagascan

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

No, he hasn't seen the light. After the Winter Olympics, we back to square one. Even a break down of what I think are nothing talks will increase the tension in that area of the world. If you watching closely Trump is beefing up his military options to attack North Korea. New Warships heading to the Asia Pacific and four new nuclear-armed bombers stationed at Guam including more troops.

You are putting that as if Trump and the USA are the aggressor.
No they are not.
NK have already declared War.

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Cheerful Spring wrote: »

No, he hasn't seen the light. After the Winter Olympics, we back to square one. Even a break down of what I think are nothing talks will increase the tension in that area of the world. If you watching closely Trump is beefing up his military options to attack North Korea. New Warships heading to the Asia Pacific and four new nuclear-armed bombers stationed at Guam including more troops.

Yes indeed, the post was in some jest, the handpicked cheerleaders are just a temporary distraction. Think uk are also sending one (of their few working boats) that way also.

One newsite reckons mad Kim has/could shortly have x60 big throwing sticks, not ideal if your surfing on Honolulu, or anywhere else for that matter.

monty_python

Gatling wrote: »

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

I was curious about this previously and read an explanation stating that there are two plausible reasons.

A) They are located strategically to protect specific targets. Hence there is no point firing them for missiles that are going down in the sea.
once they are activated then how they work becomes known and leads to the possibility of
counter measures being developed.

This is the exact reason ,

But I'm sure we will get an alternative view at some point

The poster you quoted gave two reasons.
Which one are you referring to??

monty_python

Manic Moran wrote: »

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

The only conclusion I can come to is that it was an accident and human error when "someone" hit the wrong button. Without a doubt it was an accident, definitely human error!

You will be surprised how out-dated a lot of the US government's systems are.

It's a simple HTML page with links. Instead of a big red button that someone has to break glass and push, you just select from the list which alert you would like to send out today.

Latest addition "False Alarm" link.

Where did you obtain this information??

Chrongen

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

No, he hasn't seen the light. After the Winter Olympics, we back to square one. Even a break down of what I think are nothing talks will increase the tension in that area of the world. If you watching closely Trump is beefing up his military options to attack North Korea. New Warships heading to the Asia Pacific and four new nuclear-armed bombers stationed at Guam including more troops.

Don't be so sure. The US has basically fcuked itself and its credibility that there's a good possibility that it will be frozen out of any future talks regarding the 2 Koreas. Previous allies like France, Germany and Australia are already hinting on the partnership having changed "forever". Trump has torn up the TPP so the likes of Australia and The Philipines are now pivoting towards Beijing for business.

Trump, according to his professor with 30 years experience at Wharton, was the "dumberst damn student I've ever had" and his car crash of a presidency proves that. It was clear that US global power was in decline for the last 2 decades but Trump has accelerated the trend 1en-fold.

Chrongen

Gatling wrote: »

This is the exact reason ,

But I'm sure we will get an alternative view at some point

So you're saying that the missile defenses are so secret that they can't be used because the US doesn't want people to know how they work?

:pac:

Chrongen

Evie Big Troop wrote: »

Plenty of reasons given in numerous articles specifically when Japan had one fly over them, they (Jap) established it was going over them not into them, so decided not to take it out, incase it lead to further (irreversible) provocation.

So it knew that the missile was no threat? Then why all the bluster about it? Why all the chest-beating outrage?
And do you have links to these articles?

Also when are these missile defenses supposed to intercept a hostile missile? Shortly after launch? Mid-flight? Seconds before impact?

It all seems very bulshitty to me.

Chrongen

BillyBobBS wrote: »

It's amazing what a bit of pressure can do. Obama sat back for 8 years thinking it more important to appear on late night chat shows than to address the NK situation.

And in other news Liverpool ended Manchester City's unbeaten run. A clear result of Trump's strong and steady leadership :pac:

Chrongen

Madagascan wrote: »

You are putting that as if Trump and the USA are the aggressor.
No they are not.
NK have already declared War.

The US is never the aggressor. They didn't attack Iraq or Libya or Afghanistan. They didn't overthrow the government in Ukraine and fund the new junta. They didn't arm ISIS in Syria. They didn't arm Saudi Arabia and then sit by as they commit genocide in Yemen. They don't attack civilians daily with drones in Pakistan.

They are never the aggressors.

Gatling

Chrongen wrote: »

So you're saying that the missile defenses are so secret that they can't be used because the US doesn't want people to know how they work?

:pac:

No not what I'm saying at all but hey ,

Everyone knows where they are and what exactly they are supposed to do ,
But they won't be shooting missiles down till they received a credible threat that needs to be taken out ,
As it stands all we are seeing is regular weapons tests ,most of which broke up in an and not by design from what I have read .
The moment a hot war head is detected been prepared you can bet it will be stuck pretty quickly ,

Gatling

Chrongen wrote: »

The US is never the aggressor. They didn't attack Iraq or Libya or Afghanistan. They didn't overthrow the government in Ukraine and fund the new junta. They didn't arm ISIS in Syria. They didn't arm Saudi Arabia and then sit by as they commit genocide in Yemen. They don't attack civilians daily with drones in Pakistan.

They are never the aggressors.

Bs detection ,

Remind us all about Afghanistan and don't forget to leave anything out ,
Libya was mostly a French and UK run operations,
Ukraine come on tell us more not the RT, sputnik news versions.

muppetshow1451

Chrongen wrote: »

The US is never the aggressor. They didn't attack Iraq or Libya or Afghanistan. They didn't overthrow the government in Ukraine and fund the new junta. They didn't arm ISIS in Syria. They didn't arm Saudi Arabia and then sit by as they commit genocide in Yemen. They don't attack civilians daily with drones in Pakistan.

They are never the aggressors.

Depending on whos President and secretary of state.

Chrongen

Gatling wrote: »

Bs detection ,

Remind us all about Afghanistan and don't forget to leave anything out ,
Libya was mostly a French and UK run operations,
Ukraine come on tell us more not the RT, sputnik news versions.

Are you saying that the US DIDN'T attack Afghanistan in a preemptive war of choice and aggression against a country that never attacked the US?

And if you're going to parrot the Bin Laden 9/11 BS that they were harbouring the mastermind of the Twin Tower attacks then you do know that the Afghans offered to hand him over if the US could provide proof of his involvement. They couldn't so attacked anyway. The FBI even had no connection on their website tying Bin Laden to 9/11. Are you aware of that? Or is that more "BS detection"?

Chrongen

Gatling wrote: »

No not what I'm saying at all but hey ,

Everyone knows where they are and what exactly they are supposed to do ,
But they won't be shooting missiles down till they received a credible threat that needs to be taken out ,
As it stands all we are seeing is regular weapons tests ,most of which broke up in an and not by design from what I have read .
The moment a hot war head is detected been prepared you can bet it will be stuck pretty quickly ,

So how exactly does one detect from launch whether a missile is carrying a nuclear payload or not? In fact even if it is carrying a conventional payload how is this determined as being anything other than a threat since such a device slamming into a heavily populated area could cause thousands of deaths and if it was carrying dozens of independent conventional warheads that shower a (populated) target the deaths could be in the 10s of 1000s.

It seems to me that you are making it up as you go along and contradicting yourself. If NK missiles are so primitive then what's all the fuss and "threat talk" about? And if their missiles are actually technically capable and pose a threat (as we so constantly hear) then why aren't they being shot down?

You can't credibly answer either question without sounding like you are just blagging it.

Gatling

Chrongen wrote: »

So how exactly does one detect from launch whether a missile is carrying a nuclear payload

Quite easy actually ,

Pepefrogok

Chrongen wrote: »

So how exactly does one detect from launch whether a missile is carrying a nuclear payload or not? In fact even if it is carrying a conventional payload how is this determined as being anything other than a threat since such a device slamming into a heavily populated area could cause thousands of deaths and if it was carrying dozens of independent conventional warheads that shower a (populated) target the deaths could be in the 10s of 1000s.

It seems to me that you are making it up as you go along and contradicting yourself. If NK missiles are so primitive then what's all the fuss and "threat talk" about? And if their missiles are actually technically capable and pose a threat (as we so constantly hear) then why aren't they being shot down?

You can't credibly answer either question without sounding like you are just blagging it.

Icbm = nuclear, that is the reason why conventional warheads are not placed on icbm's as it would be assumed you are launching a nuclear strike, Putin actually talked a bit about it in an interview if you can find it.

Mtx

I don't think north Korea would ever attack anyone else but the south.

Gatling

Jimmy is that really you

cnocbui

Chrongen wrote: »

Are you saying that the US DIDN'T attack Afghanistan in a preemptive war of choice and aggression against a country that never attacked the US?

And if you're going to parrot the Bin Laden 9/11 BS that they were harbouring the mastermind of the Twin Tower attacks then you do know that the Afghans offered to hand him over if the US could provide proof of his involvement. They couldn't so attacked anyway. The FBI even had no connection on their website tying Bin Laden to 9/11. Are you aware of that? Or is that more "BS detection"?

You are so full of it.

Bin laden is on tape taking credit for it and boasting about it.

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/osama-bin-laden-911-confession-13506877

Ipso

Forget, you're probably dealing with a troofer.

Manic Moran

monty_python wrote: »

Where did you obtain this information??

It's been going around.

Here's the MSN link. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/hawaii-missile-mess-that-was-no-wrong-button-take-a-look/ar-AAuL1Mx

Cheerful Spring

The White House reportedly chose not to nominate Victor D. Cha, a former official under President George W. Bush, to serve as ambassador to South Korea after he objected to the administration's approach to North Korea.

According to The Washington Post, Cha objected to the administration's decision to end a South Korean trade deal, and raised concerns about the National Security Council considering a limited strike on North Korea. Although South Korean officials quickly approved Cha's appointment, a senior administration official confirmed this week that the administration started considering other candidates.

Washington Post is a paid subscription, but other sites are posting what happened. Trump State of the Union address tonight, North Korea, will be mentioned. He could be hostile or offer an olive branch, we have to wait to see. Washington Post article does signal Trump is surrounding himself with yes man who will not stand in his way if he orders a limit strike on the North, in not too distant future.

Cheerful Spring

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump said on Friday the United States would move to “phase two” if sanctions against North Korea did not work, although he did not specify what that would mean.

“I don’t think I‘m going to exactly play that card. But we’ll have to see. If the sanctions don’t work, we’ll have to go phase two,” Trump told reporters.

“Phase two may be a very rough thing, may be very, very unfortunate for the world. But hopefully, the sanctions will work.”

How in hell are sanctions going to work they have not worked for decades? After the Olympics are over and Kim started testing again be prepared the US is probably going to try to take out military sites.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-trump/u-s-to-move-to-phase-2-if-north-korea-sanctions-dont-work-trump-idUSKCN1G72KU

Chrongen

Pepefrogok wrote: »

Icbm = nuclear, that is the reason why conventional warheads are not placed on icbm's as it would be assumed you are launching a nuclear strike, Putin actually talked a bit about it in an interview if you can find it.

So how would you test an ICBM, exactly?

Chrongen

Gatling wrote: »

Quite easy actually ,

Well, how?

You're the expert or it's quite easy actually.

How can any missile from launch be determined as having a nuclear payload?

Chrongen

cnocbui wrote: »

You are so full of it.

Bin laden is on tape taking credit for it and boasting about it.

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/osama-bin-laden-911-confession-13506877

Why did the FBI never put on their website that he was responsible then?