All Ireland SHC Final (formerly SHC thread) - READ MOD NOTE POST #1

Realt Dearg Sec

Bonniedog wrote: »

dastardly00 wrote: »

Ah I see that your love affair with Eddie continues to blossom :rolleyes:

I liked him as a player but his default zone like Babs, as a pundit, seems to be sneering.

Let's hope his management career moves on from the disaster it has been to date

What did he say that you disagree with?

Bonniedog

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

What did he say that you disagree with?

It's not so much what he says, but the way he says it. More or less laughing at fellas after being beaten. Do you do that?

He didn't take too kindly to criticism of himself after youse were beaten by Westmeath last year.

Realt Dearg Sec

Bonniedog wrote: »

It's not so much what he says, but the way he says it. More or less laughing at fellas after being beaten. Do you do that?

He didn't take too kindly to criticism of himself after youse were beaten by Westmeath last year.

So you agreed with him?

Bonniedog

Would be hard to say it was a good day out!

That was not my point. You know yourself you can be critical of lads, especially mostly a bunch of young lads thrown in the deep end - as indeed he ought to know himself from last year's 21s! - without mocking them.

Would you not agree?

Loughane was at similar crack. You never hear Shefflin or Sheedy or Farrell belittling players. And not just going on about our fellas. I've heard Brennan laughing at Wexford and other teams in the past.

Jaysus, getting a hiding is bad enough without being ridiculed.

Davys Fits

Loughnane wasnt too far wrong but should not have singled out past players. There is a notion circulating that if only Dublin had their players back they would be winning titles. I think Loughnanne was referring to this as Circumstantial evidence.

PTH2009

The winners of 2morrows Clare and Limerick Munster semi final and the other 3 provincial semi finals will be guranteed at least an All Ireland Quarter final place

The draw for the Preliminary round takes place on Tuesday. It will take place on Sat 24th June in a neutral venue and involve the Christy Ring Cup champions (Carlow or Antrim) vs Laois or Westmeath. Winner progresses to Round 1 and losers season ends. Not sure what section the preliminary round winner goes into for the round 1 draw but putting them in the munster section would make the most sense.

Round 1

Munster
Tipperary

Leinster
Dublin
Laois or Westmeath

Realt Dearg Sec

Jesus I'm looking at the fixtures for upcoming matches and you have to wonder sometimes why on earth they drag the arse out of the championship so much. Makes it very hard to get some momentum going, build some excitement, and while the players wait weeks and months between matches the club player does nothing. There has to be a better way.

phkk

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Jesus I'm looking at the fixtures for upcoming matches and you have to wonder sometimes why on earth they drag the arse out of the championship so much. Makes it very hard to get some momentum going, build some excitement, and while the players wait weeks and months between matches the club player does nothing. There has to be a better way.

Absolute joke the way championship is dragged out. Only one hurling match this weekend, it's hard to believe!!!

dastardly00

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Jesus I'm looking at the fixtures for upcoming matches and you have to wonder sometimes why on earth they drag the arse out of the championship so much. Makes it very hard to get some momentum going, build some excitement, and while the players wait weeks and months between matches the club player does nothing. There has to be a better way.

Yeah completely agree

jr86

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Jesus I'm looking at the fixtures for upcoming matches and you have to wonder sometimes why on earth they drag the arse out of the championship so much. Makes it very hard to get some momentum going, build some excitement, and while the players wait weeks and months between matches the club player does nothing. There has to be a better way.

+1000

Was it 2013 when the Dublin hurlers played 4 weekends in a row and then had 2 matches in 2 months after that?

A complete farce, but that's part and parcel of the GAA overall.

You could easily start the Championship on this weekend every year and have it wrapped up on the August Bank Holiday weekend. Or first weekend in July to September or whatever

As bad and all as this is the club All Ireland is worse. Play a Provincial final in November/December and then two matches in 3/4 months!!!

Mantis Toboggan

Good game of hurling in Thurles.

After getting rid of Davy Clare are playing with a sweeper!!

dastardly00

Tyson Fury wrote: »

Good game of hurling in Thurles.

After getting rid of Davy Clare are playing with a sweeper!!

Some really stupid wides from Limerick though. Absolutely brainless. Just because you have the wind at your back doesn't mean you should be shooting from everywhere.

Utopia Parkway

Clare have been decent without being brilliant so far. Limerick bar a 10 minute spell have been woeful. Mad wides from way out the field and terrible ball into their forwards.

Diabhal Beag

Kelly and Podge non-existent

dastardly00

Clare are over-working their play but they are definitely the better team

Mantis Toboggan

Yeah conlan, McGrath and O'Donnell all very good, if they get good ball in they will produce

Kristopherus

Poor enogh performance by referee Mc Grath.

dastardly00

Shocking marking from Limerick for the concession of that 3rd goal

Bonniedog

Limerick need goals and don't look like getting them so PP can stuff his cash out :-)

Mantis Toboggan

Standard has really come down in this second half

dastardly00

Very harsh penalty?

dastardly00

Tony Kelly doesn't seem to be that good of penalty taker. I think he missed one last year as well in the championship?

niallo27

Made hard work of a very poor limerick side.

dastardly00

Clare win their first Munster Championship match since 2013 and reach the Munster final for the first time in 9 years.

Guaranteed an AI quarter-final place now also

Bonniedog

dastardly00 wrote: »

Very harsh penalty?

He was falling anyway, but your man did collapse on top of him!

Surprised he didn't go for a point to leave three scores between them.

galwaylad14

Lot of positives for Clare there and lots to improve on. They created lots of goal chances, played a much more positive style than under Davy which was good to see and ultimately they won comfortably enough without Tony Kelly or Podge, 2 of their best players, playing anywhere near what they can. Also they missed probably 1-4 from placed balls which should be fairly easy to rectify.

Lot of positives for Clare there, think Waterford will beat Cork and should make for a very good Munster final.

PTH2009

dastardly00 wrote: »

Clare win their first Munster Championship match since 2013 and reach the Munster final for the first time in 9 years.

Guaranteed an AI quarter-final place now also

Is the final deff in Cork or will they possibly play it in Thurles as that be easier for the supporters ??

Limerick will improve no doubt but may be a short summer for them

Utopia Parkway

galwaylad14 wrote: »

Lot of positives for Clare there and lots to improve on. They created lots of goal chances, played a much more positive style than under Davy which was good to see and ultimately they won comfortably enough without Tony Kelly or Podge, 2 of their best players, playing anywhere near what they can. Also they missed probably 1-4 from placed balls which should be fairly easy to rectify.

Lot of positives for Clare there, think Waterford will beat Cork and should make for a very good Munster final.

On the debit side Limerick were very poor for 80% of the game, hit a mountain of mad wides, conceded one of the softest goals you'll ever see and were still within touching distance at the end.

Bonniedog

PTH2009 wrote: »

Is the final deff in Cork or will they possibly play it in Thurles as that be easier for the supporters ??

Limerick will improve no doubt but may be a short summer for them

They hardly play a Munster final in PUíR!

OldMrBrennan83

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C__MC

If it's Clare cork, it's thurles

Can't remember Clare/cork not being there

There is no home/away arrangement

Bonniedog

Patww79 wrote: »

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Seems you are correct. I thought it would be another year before was finished. Looks quite impressive from the web site/

dubcat51

Easy for clare limerick were dire.

Mantis Toboggan

C__MC wrote: »

If it's Clare cork, it's thurles

Can't remember Clare/cork not being there

There is no home/away arrangement

AFAIK it's in PUC regardless

Bonniedog

Looking at website seems they are assuming final will be PUC no matter who it is. Looks much improved has to be said!

jr86

dastardly00 wrote: »

Guaranteed an AI quarter-final place now also

It's not all that much to celebrate this year sadly

Outside of KK, Galway, Tipp, Waterford, Clare and perhaps Cork (jury still out) no-one is much use. Wexford might shake things up but I can see a real come-down against KK

Limerick have gone backwards something huge, while Dublin are slipping further and further into mediocrity again

To have any hope of winning the AI you'd have to think Clare need to be winning Munster. So huge game for them

windy shepard henderson

jr86 wrote: »

It's not all that much to celebrate this year sadly

Outside of KK, Galway, Tipp, Waterford, Clare and perhaps Cork (jury still out) no-one is much use. Wexford might shake things up but I can see a real come-down against KK

Limerick have gone backwards something huge, while Dublin are slipping further and further into mediocrity again

To have any hope of winning the AI you'd have to think Clare need to be winning Munster. So huge game for them

galway are now the team to beat at the moment , good hurlers no stupid systems and now in house fighting , they have set the stranded so far , they may lack belief on the big day though , too many hurlers retired in that county empty handed that realy should have won at least one all ireland down the years

clare have huge work to do they need consistency first before they can be contenders

kilkenny waterford and tipperary will be very hard to beat regardless on whats going on in tipp. limerick could have a say yet in one of them counties faith in the back door

Realt Dearg Sec

jr86 wrote: »

dastardly00 wrote: »

Guaranteed an AI quarter-final place now also

It's not all that much to celebrate this year sadly

Outside of KK, Galway, Tipp, Waterford, Clare and perhaps Cork (jury still out) no-one is much use. Wexford might shake things up

That's a very pessimistic way of saying there's more contenders than at any time in about twenty years.

windy shepard henderson

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

That's a very pessimistic way of saying there's more contenders than at any time in about twenty years.

fitz is a smoke screen in my opinion , wexford will barely improve from last years management this year , and no despite the hype they wont come close to kilkenny

Realt Dearg Sec

Even if that's true (I think it is) six contenders is more than I ever remember in recent history. It's seldom been more than two or three in any given year this century.

Django99

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Even if that's true (I think it is) six contenders is more than I ever remember in recent history. It's seldom been more than two or three in any given year this century.

Fully agree with this, especially considering it's a 13 team tournament. There's arguably more genuine contenders in hurling than football.

jr86

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

That's a very pessimistic way of saying there's more contenders than at any time in about twenty years.

Not necessarily. Id still be pretty amazed if anyone outside of tipp galway or kk won it out to be honest. I had the same view the last few years (replace galway with Clare 2014).

waterford and clare are decent teams but a load would need to go their way

mountgomery burns

I never quite understand when people bemoan the championship being uncompetitive and then say nobody outside of Tipp, Galway or Kilkenny.

Galway haven't won it in 30 years so it would be a good thing for the championship to see them win it. But I also don't see how they would be rated much better than Waterford for winning the league? I have no issue with them being championship favourites, but I don't think we are miles off that standard and any gap could conceivably be bridged in 3 months time.

Davys Fits

Exactly. If Galway are favourites then surely Waterford and maybe Clare or Cork cant be discounted as contenders.

PTH2009

Think its Galway's year this year

They seem different and seem too be playing as a team

Mark my words Wexford are going to be dark horses. Davy brings a winning mentality everywhere he goes and they have no fear of Kilkenny esp in wexford park

All Ireland semis for me will be (one of my many predictions lol)
Galway (leinster champs) vs Tipperary
Clare (Munster champs) vs Wexford

Galway vs Wexford all Ireland final

jr86

Davys Fits wrote: »

Exactly. If Galway are favourites then surely Waterford and maybe Clare or Cork cant be discounted as contenders.

That doesnt make any sense.

Galway won a league this year, were a puck of the ball from beating the champions last year, made a final in 2015. They've already opened the championship by hammering a 1A side.

They also have a better side on paper than those you mention

Clare have been a non -entity in champ since 2013 and Waterford were thumped by tipp last year and couldn't beat a Kilkenny at about 40%

Id rather judge the form guide than historical records to be quite honest

jr86

I think people are far too giddy about this Kilkenny "decline".

They are still littered with quality

To be honest I think they'll beat wexford by north of 10

Mantis Toboggan

It's hard to look past Galway, they've an unbelievable team, so physical with some great players and are still a very young team. They will take some stopping.

I agree on kilkenny also, they've all their big guns back this season and I expect them to be there or thereabouts come the first weekend in September.

Outside of that Waterford cannot be discounted, again a very young team who are going all out to win an all Ireland this year. I expect them to win Munster this year and after that who knows, nobody will fancy playing them later in the year.

Wexford I expect will run out of steam eventually, having said that I expect them to give Kilkenny a right scare Saturday night, kilkenny are aiming to peak in August and September so may well be caught on the hop by fitness levels on Saturday, only time will tell.

C__MC

Tyson Fury wrote: »

It's hard to look past Galway, they've an unbelievable team, so physical with some great players and are still a very young team. They will take some stopping.

I agree on kilkenny also, they've all their big guns back this season and I expect them to be there or thereabouts come the first weekend in September.

Outside of that Waterford cannot be discounted, again a very young team who are going all out to win an all Ireland this year. I expect them to win Munster this year and after that who knows, nobody will fancy playing them later in the year.

Wexford I expect will run out of steam eventually, having said that I expect them to give Kilkenny a right scare Saturday night, kilkenny are aiming to peak in August and September so may well be caught on the hop by fitness levels on Saturday, only time will tell.[/quote

Kilkenny Wexford has the classic makings of a game with so much hype and excitement and it turns out to be a damp squib. Kilkenny by 5+.

letowski

The Wexford team will have to cope with expectation of a good performance from their fans, whether it will be good enough to beat Kilkenny we will see. Cody knows Davy well at this stage, he knows how he is going to align his team, and how Wexford will play. This game has been earmarked all year for Kilkenny, I'm expecting them to really hit the ground running hard. I don't think Kilkenny can afford to go through the back door to be honest, Tipp are there and Kilkenny don't have great strength in depth for extra games, along with some injuries they are carrying. I'm going to go with a Kilkenny win next week. It's the type of game which could tell alot of where both teams are.