Muslims and Dogs

Roger Mellie Man on the Telly

Why do you never see muslim folk with dogs?

I assume its explained in the Quran somewhere? I understand they're not into pork products, but dogs are brilliant.

punisher5112

Roger Mellie Man on the Telly wrote: »

Why do you never see moslem folk with dogs?

I assume its explained in the Quran somewhere? I understand they're not into pork products, but dogs are brilliant.

Great bunch of lads the Muslims are they a new breed????.....

Dog probably best suited on the dinner table so they don't do pets.

Somedude9

Mongrels was it?

punisher5112

Dam them pesky Moslems ....

bodhrandude

I always thought the Muslims more a cat loving people, especially in the likes of Turkey and Egypt, statues and religious iconography dedicated to the cat.

Dogs are haram, seen as unclean things.

Muhommad was fond of the oul cats though, he is said to have a favourite cat called Muezza

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muezza
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_cats

Union Man

The Quran bans Moslems from owning dogs.

Roger Mellie Man on the Telly

Is it spelled Muslim or Moslem? I think I've got it wrong.

Roger Mellie Man on the Telly

Union Man wrote: »

The Quran bans Moslems from owning dogs.

Can you provide a direct quote from the Quran to support this please?

Beyondgone

The Koreans are into dogs. Them and the Chinese. They love them grilled, the best. The Moslems are into learning verses, keeping women three paces behind and not integrating unless it involves stoning someone. Pretty much. Dogs don't get a look in. Dogs are decadent. I'm a big fan of dogs. Mine is asleep on my feet.

Why Moslems and not Muslims? Genuine question. Haven't seen it written like that often.

gitzy16v

Not allowed....Mesut Ozil,superstar Arsenal muslim footballer posted a pic of him cuddling his beloved pooch Balboa and this is a small sample of replies on his facebook
IMO bullsh1t replies but there is people out there that think this way:eek:

Temam Sherif mr ozil i am your number #1 fan..but i dont like you to see with najasa things that not allowed in islam...so please stay away from dog...make wudu and go to salah...when you have done this you will become champion in Iman and Football with Arsenal..am i wrong.! allahu a'ilam
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Abubakar Sadeeq Muhammad
Abubakar Sadeeq Muhammad Assalam Mr. Mesut Özil as a Muslim you are not allow to touch dog in Islam please avoid it for the sake of ALLAH and seek for forgiveness thank you
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gitzy16v

gitzy16v wrote: »

Not allowed....Mesut Ozil,superstar Arsenal muslim footballer posted a pic of him cuddling his beloved pooch Balboa and this is a small sample of replies on his facebook
IMO bullsh1t replies but there is people out there that think this way:eek:

Temam Sherif mr ozil i am your number #1 fan..but i dont like you to see with najasa things that not allowed in islam...so please stay away from dog...make wudu and go to salah...when you have done this you will become champion in Iman and Football with Arsenal..am i wrong.! allahu a'ilam
Like · Reply · 203 · 17 March at 05:39 · Edited
59 Replies
Abubakar Sadeeq Muhammad
Abubakar Sadeeq Muhammad Assalam Mr. Mesut Özil as a Muslim you are not allow to touch dog in Islam please avoid it for the sake of ALLAH and seek for forgiveness thank you
Like · Reply · 114 · 16 March at 19:03

What a load of bollocks.

I'd throw a sandal at them for writing such nonsense.

Pseudorandom

It is a thing that dogs are considered unclean animals in the Islamic faith. I don't know how seriously it's taken though (in the same way that Christians technically shouldn't be eating shellfish according to Leviticus).

99problems

bodhrandude wrote:

I always thought the Muslims more a cat loving people, especially in the likes of Turkey and Egypt, statues and religious iconography dedicated to the cat.

Ancient Egyptian's where pagan not Muslim

gitzy16v

Pseudorandom wrote: »

It is a thing that dogs are considered unclean animals in the Islamic faith. I don't know how seriously it's taken though (in the same way that Christians technically shouldn't be eating shellfish according to Leviticus).

I wonder if Robbie Keane posted a pic of himself eating shellfish on facebook would christians be reply that its against his religion...I have my doubts!

Pseudorandom

gitzy16v wrote: »

I wonder if Robbie Keane posted a pic of himself eating shellfish on facebook would christians be reply that its against his religion...I have my doubts!

Almost certainly not. In Ireland, as a fairly monocultural society still, we accept a lot of things we were brought up with to be "traditional" and thus acceptable in a way we totally refuse to do with other cultures. I mean if you were to try to sit down and explain to someone why nuns wear headdresses you'd struggle to come up with good reasons but it's so culturally normative to us that we don't see it as unusual enough to need to be explained.

endacl

Pseudorandom wrote: »

It is a thing that dogs are considered unclean animals in the Islamic faith. I don't know how seriously it's taken though (in the same way that Christians technically shouldn't be eating shellfish according to Leviticus).

There were no christians in the time of Leviticus.

Pseudorandom

endacl wrote: »

There were no christians in the time of Leviticus.

Fair enough, but there are Christians now, and we still have Leviticus as a book of the bible.

Like to divorce it from religious context - we'd all probably say here that wearing white to a wedding is in bad taste. But in China red is the colour for weddings so it wouldn't have the same connotations at all.

My point is just that traditions don't necessarily make sense, so when you run into a tradition from a culture you aren't familiar with they can seem crazy. But that goes both ways, and there's a lot of stuff we take as routine here that might seem absolutely nuts to someone with a very different culture from ours.

gitzy16v

Pseudorandom wrote: »

Almost certainly not. In Ireland, as a fairly monocultural society still, we accept a lot of things we were brought up with to be "traditional" and thus acceptable in a way we totally refuse to do with other cultures. I mean if you were to try to sit down and explain to someone why nuns wear headdresses you'd struggle to come up with good reasons but it's so culturally normative to us that we don't see it as unusual enough to need to be explained.

Very true but nuns are religious figures,muslim lads showing affection to dogs is not the same as nuns with their habits...I mean dogs are dirty ffs what boll0x ,this is the real world.
We are not explaining why you should NOT do something,we explain why others do something...we dont try to stop people doing what the like(within the law obvs)

uck51js9zml2yt

Pseudorandom wrote: »

Fair enough, but there are Christians now, and we still have Leviticus as a book of the bible.

Like to divorce it from religious context - we'd all probably say here that wearing white to a wedding is in bad taste. But in China red is the colour for weddings so it wouldn't have the same connotations at all.

My point is just that traditions don't necessarily make sense, so when you run into a tradition from a culture you aren't familiar with they can seem crazy. But that goes both ways, and there's a lot of stuff we take as routine here that might seem absolutely nuts to someone with a very different culture from ours.

I'm a shellfish loving Christian. Can't beat a plate of mussels

Have we figured out what a Moslem is yet?

Pseudorandom

gitzy16v wrote: »

Very true but nuns are religious figures,muslim lads showing affection to dogs is not the same as nuns with their habits...I mean dogs are dirty ffs what boll0x ,this is the real world.
We are not explaining why you should NOT do something,we explain why others do something...we dont try to stop people doing what the like(within the law obvs)

Ah here.

Mountainsandh

Growing up with Muslim friends, the statement about the Coran banning people from owning dogs (as they're dirty) is what I always heard.

gitzy16v

Santiago Sticky Kiwi wrote: »

I'm a shellfish loving Christian. Can't beat a plate of mussels

Have we figured out what a Moslem is yet?

TO HELL WITH YOU!!!!
Sorry I know your a follower,saw you post in the Christianity forum.
But you prove the point,that Christianity is right now adaptable.
I only eat fish for my dinner on Friday..........BUT I had a sausage sandwich in the morning:pac:...The fish on Fri is simply laziness,ive only 6 other days to figure out whats for dinner lol and thanks to Christianity its fish on Friday,no ifs,no buts,no maybe's,thats what im making:)

gitzy16v

Pseudorandom wrote: »

Ah here.

Ah here what?

99problems

Moslem is correct , so is Muslim

Pseudorandom

Mountainsandh wrote: »

Growing up with Muslim friends, the statement about the Coran banning people from owning dogs (as they're dirty) is what I always heard.

We think pigs are dirty but apparently they're an extremely intelligent animal.

Basically what I'm saying is tradition doesn't and never really has worked on logical grounds.

So far as I'm aware (and I'm certainly no expert) the strict Islamic interpretation is that it's fine to have dogs as working animals, greyhounds and sheepdogs for example, but it's not ok to have it living inside your home as a pet.

Ironically, the more traditional view in Ireland woud be very similar (have dogs but only as outside animals, sure you couldn't be letting them track dirt in over the carpet).

gitzy16v

Pseudorandom wrote: »

We think pigs are dirty but apparently they're an extremely intelligent animal.

Basically what I'm saying is tradition doesn't and never really has worked on logical grounds.

So far as I'm aware (and I'm certainly no expert) the strict Islamic interpretation is that it's fine to have dogs as working animals, greyhounds and sheepdogs for example, but it's not ok to have it living inside your home as a pet.

Ironically, the more traditional view in Ireland woud be very similar (have dogs but only as outside animals, sure you couldn't be letting them track dirt in over the carpet).

Doubtful...we have working dogs and pets...thats fake news as they they say.
How old is this traditional you are talking about?

Pseudorandom

gitzy16v wrote: »

Doubtful...we have working dogs and pets...thats fake news as they they say.
How old is this traditional you are talking about?

Well certainly when I was growing up (I'm in my late 20's) my parents would never have allowed our pet dogs in the house.

Widdershins

99problems wrote: »

Ancient Egyptian's where pagan not Muslim

Quite. When did you ever hear of Bastet(Cat) or Sekhmet(Lioness)or Anubis (Jackal)being worshiped in Islam?

Widdershins

Pseudorandom wrote: »

We think pigs are dirty but apparently they're an extremely intelligent animal.

Basically what I'm saying is tradition doesn't and never really has worked on logical grounds.

So far as I'm aware (and I'm certainly no expert) the strict Islamic interpretation is that it's fine to have dogs as working animals, greyhounds and sheepdogs for example, but it's not ok to have it living inside your home as a pet.

Ironically, the more traditional view in Ireland woud be very similar (have dogs but only as outside animals, sure you couldn't be letting them track dirt in over the carpet).

Pigs are only dirty because they root the ground up and unless they are moved regularly, it becomes a muddy quagmire. Good points there..but pet dogs and indoor dogs aren't unusual in Ireland now.

Cutie 3.14

They're not wrong.....dogs are dirty...

gitzy16v

Pseudorandom wrote: »

Well certainly when I was growing up (I'm in my late 20's) my parents would never have allowed our pet dogs in the house.

Fair enough,my experiences are different,plenty of pet dogs and when I moved to the country(originally Dublin) my 1st girlfriends family were sheep farmers and the lambs were pets (well 1 lucky 1) and allowed in the house like dogs were:eek::eek::eek:.
I was amazed to say the least but it became apparent that this was pretty common.

gitzy16v

gitzy16v wrote: »

Doubtful...we have working dogs and pets...thats fake news as they they say.
How old is this traditional you are talking about?

Fake news. Ah here.

Are you also going to start licking windows?

Leave that to the daft lot over the big pond.

Dogs are great, mostly. Not as sure when it comes to anyone who thinks it's wrong to have one as a pet.

Esel

Pseudorandom wrote: »

Well certainly when I was growing up (I'm in my late 20's) my parents would never have allowed our pet dogs in the house.

How were they pets then?

RobertKK

Leviticus is for the Tribe of Levi.
The tribe of Levi is only where the Jewish priests could come from.
It is why the book is called Leviticus, it is mostly about standards for priests.

gitzy16v

JayZeus wrote: »

Fake news. Ah here.

Are you also going to start licking windows?

Leave that to the daft lot over the big pond.

Dogs are great, mostly. Not as sure when it comes to anyone who thinks it's wrong to have one as a pet.

Why have you replied to me that way?

Why would I be licking windows?

Ive no problem with dogs,I have 2 PET!!!! dogs,Im all for dogs...mans best friend in all that

Pseudorandom

gitzy16v wrote: »

Fair enough,my experiences are different,plenty of pet dogs and when I moved to the country(originally Dublin) my 1st girlfriends family were sheep farmers and the lambs were pets (well 1 lucky 1) and allowed in the house like dogs were:eek::eek::eek:.
I was amazed to say the least but it became apparent that this was pretty common.

I have two inside dogs myself now who wouldn't know what to do with themselves if they were turfed off the couch into the back garden. I'm just saying that what seems strange to you (lambs inside?!?) might seem equally as strange to someone who'd never been used to having dogs inside. And I think religion has honestly very little to do with it, it's pure cultural norms.

SPDUB

Omackeral wrote: »

Why Moslems and not Muslims? Genuine question. Haven't seen it written like that often.

The reason you don't see it written as Moslem is because that is seen as a derogatory term now

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/01/12/why-j-k-rowling-is-so-incensed-about-rupert-murdochs-tweet-about-moslems/

“Muslim” means Muslim. But “Moslem” means something entirely different. “Whereas for most English speakers, the two words are synonymous in meaning, the Arabic roots of the two words are very different,” the article said. “A ‘Muslim’ in Arabic means ‘one who gives himself to God,’ and is by definition, someone who adheres to Islam. By contrast a ‘Moslem’ in Arabic means ‘one who is evil and unjust’ when the word is pronounced, as it is in English, ‘Mozlem’ with a z.”

gitzy16v

gitzy16v wrote: »

Why have you replied to me that way?

Why would I be licking windows?

Ive no problem with dogs,I have 2 PET!!!! dogs,Im all for dogs...mans best friend in all that

Fake news as a term is something I associate with window lickers.

Big fan of dogs here also. There's something wrong with anyone who thinks pet dogs are dirty generally. It's up to their owners to keep them clean. You just have to think of a pet dog as being like a small child in that regard and you're grand.

gitzy16v

Pseudorandom wrote: »

I have two inside dogs myself now who wouldn't know what to do with themselves if they were turfed off the couch into the back garden. I'm just saying that what seems strange to you (lambs inside?!?) might seem equally as strange to someone who'd never been used to having dogs inside. And I think religion has honestly very little to do with it, it's pure cultural norms.

I dont disagree but when I referred to Mesut Ozil and his pic of him and his dog,it was because of his Muslim faith he was criticised not because it was strange.
I never said having a lamb in the house was against any religion,it was just odd,thats all.
These muslim lads are too forceful with there views.(specifically talking about the comments on Ozil's FB before Im labelled as anything:rolleyes:)

gitzy16v

JayZeus wrote: »

Fake news as a term is something I associate with window lickers.

Big fan of dogs here also. There's something wrong with anyone who thinks pet dogs are dirty generally. It's up to their owners to keep them clean. You just have to think of a pet dog as being like a small child in that regard and you're grand.

Not a term I like or use but it seems to be the reply for when something you dont believe is true on the 'net.

I think were on the same page bud:)

gitzy16v

SPDUB wrote: »

The reason you don't see it written as Moslem is because that is seen as a derogatory term now

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/01/12/why-j-k-rowling-is-so-incensed-about-rupert-murdochs-tweet-about-moslems/

Thanks,learn something new every day.

Pseudorandom

gitzy16v wrote: »

I dont disagree but when I referred to Mesut Ozil and his pic of him and his dog,it was because of his Muslim faith he was criticised not because it was strange.
I never said having a lamb in the house was against any religion,it was just odd,thats all.
These muslim lads are too forceful with there views.(specifically talking about the comments on Ozil's FB before Im labelled as anything:rolleyes:)

Well comments on the internet are always going to flush out the crazies.

Mesut Ozil is of Turkish background and Turkey is a country with a good few dog national dog breeds (kangal dog, anatolian shepherd, akbash dog).

So it'd be the equivalent of an Irish American being criticised for being seen eating red meat on a Friday (i.e. something that according to the religion of your country is wrong but equally something that not a whole lot of people in your country actually care about).

Baron Kurtz

A dog's got personality, and personality goes a long way..

gitzy16v

Pseudorandom wrote: »

Well comments on the internet are always going to flush out the crazies.

Mesut Ozil is of Turkish background and Turkey is a country with a good few dog national dog breeds (kangal dog, anatolian shepherd, akbash dog).

So it'd be the equivalent of an Irish American being criticised for being seen eating red meat on a Friday (i.e. something that according to the religion of your country is wrong but equally something that not a whole lot of people in your country actually care about).

Mesut is also Muslim...Turkish heritage,German born...Its nothing strange to you and I that he would like dogs especially since you listed the national breeds of Turkey,they obviously like their dogs.

In bold....that just doesnt happen,I eat red meat on Friday but always,without fail a fish dinner because of my Christian upbringing and now because of convenience...I seriously doubt anybody is being criticised for eating red meat on Friday in this day and age

Baron Kurtz

Baron Kurtz wrote: »

A dog's got personality, and personality goes a long way..

A dog will never text me as I park outside the house asking me to get milk from the shop, 5 miles away. That's enough for me to like it better than some of my family members at times.

(I must admit, I read your name as something slightly more appealing to the senses)

Nekarsulm

gitzy16v wrote: »

I dont disagree but when I referred to Mesut Ozil and his pic of him and his dog,it was because of his Muslim faith he was criticised not because it was strange.
I never said having a lamb in the house was against any religion,it was just odd,thats all.
These muslim lads are too forceful with there views.(specifically talking about the comments on Ozil's FB before Im labelled as anything:rolleyes:)

The lamb in the house was almost certainly a "pet" lamb, whose mother had either died or rejected him.
If he couldn't be adopted onto another ewe, he would have been bottle fed every four to six hours for the first month or so.
These pet lambs become convinced that they are human (or that you are a sheep!) and are incredibly difficult to shake off the idea.
They would literally follow you to bed if they could, and are a right nuisance around a house, eating flowers, bullying the dogs and behaving like little terrorists.
We had a pair of twin lambs whose mother died, and our little girl reared them on bottles. (you buy 10kg tubs of formula)
Even now three years later, with lambs of their own, they will come running up to you in the field looking for treats.

Baron Kurtz

JayZeus wrote: »

A dog will never text me as I park outside the house asking me to get milk from the shop, 5 miles away. That's enough for me to like it better than some of my family members at times.

(I must admit, I read your name as something slightly more appealing to the senses)

Ah, I was just spoofing on a well-known film. The whole digging on swine etc. I wonder what you read my name as.

gitzy16v

Nekarsulm wrote: »

The lamb in the house was almost certainly a "pet" lamb, whose mother had either died or rejected him.
If he couldn't be adopted onto another ewe, he would have been bottle fed every four to six hours for the first month or so.
These pet lambs become convinced that they are human (or that you are a sheep!) and are incredibly difficult to shake off the idea.
They would literally follow you to bed if they could, and are a right nuisance around a house, eating flowers, bullying the dogs and behaving like little terrorists.
We had a pair of twin lambs whose mother died, and our little girl reared them on bottles. (you buy 10kg tubs of formula)
Even now three years later, with lambs of their own, they will come running up to you in the field looking for treats.

Hahahahahaha,
thats more or less exactly what happened,I lived with them for 4 years and thats exactly it!!
I had no idea what was going on,being a young jackeen and all that,but thats what it was...the lambs were like babies.

4068ac1elhodqr

Never mind the wee doggies...
Scientists have only gone and made some 'human-pig' hybrids (chimeras) with the intention of organ harvesting.

Pretty sure that's in most folks (from the warmer countries) 'handbooks of good-living' as a general no-no.

Apparently we share a lot of dna with the wee piggies, some require factor 15 sun-cream on sunny days, if out and about.