Munster Team Talk Thread VI - Stander Up and Fight

connemara man

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Kirk Van Houten wrote: »

Keatley has been allowed to leave early because Tyler is now fit again and they deemed they had enough cover available in Carbery JJ Tyler and Bill J. But if London Irish didn't have an injury crisis at 10 he would still be at Munster until the summer when he goes to Italy.

Hart is going back to France and Williams isnt likely to get a deal. He hasnt played for Munster for a number of months now. He doesn't feature in their medium to long term plans.

The idea of only needing three scrum halfs comes I believe because that's what Leinster have. Connacht for example have 5 senior scrum halfs on the books this season.

4 senior and 1 academy

With Conor McKeon injured all season, Kerins not long back from injury. Marmion injured away with Ireland half the season.

In practical terms Connacht have had 2-2.5 scrumhalfs up until now this season

salmocab

I’m surprised anyone cares about this, Munster do not need him but he’s better than what they have and will have next season. If I was Mc Carthy I’d be very annoyed as I’d assume he was told he’d have a run at being second choice next season but that’s just one person put out.
Ireland have enough 9s getting game time with the starter at each province being an international along with Blade and soon to be JGP.
It would be nice to never to need any overseas players but that’s not likely to ever be the case.
This is a nothing argument in my opinion.

Sabre0001

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All that was said was that it would be great to keep him. And suddenly people are speculating like Munster are trying to keep him to cover the 2023 World Cup There's been nothing to indicate that we'd like to keep him after the end of the season. Perhaps that news will break at some point but at the moment mountains are being made out of molehills.

For the moment, he's playing good stuff and would be a good back up option to have at the business end of the season. Also, JVG is quite positive about his contributions in camp and the younger guys might pick up a thing or two from him (why have one good mentor when you can have two). If he gets extended to the end of the season, that would be beneficial for us. And that extension wouldn't impact McCarthy in any way.

Now for it to be announced that he's getting a two year deal!

aloooof

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Sabre0001 wrote: »

...but at the moment mountains are being made out of molehills.

Nicely played!

Defunkd

I hope AM is kept on. Munster have indicated they want to keep him and the man himself would stay if a decent contract is offered. Not every signing works out, no matter how well a man has played before coming to Munster, or how much potential he has. When you get one who fits in as quickly as AM has and has produced from the word 'go', it'd be crazy to not even try to keep him.

Sabre0001

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aloooof wrote: »

Nicely played!

Ha! Unintended

Caranica

https://munsterrugby.ie/2019/02/20/contract-update-five-players-sign-extensions/

Alby to end of the season and Tyler to 2021!

"Munster Rugby and the IRFU are pleased to confirm Tyler Bleyendaal, Ciaran Parker and Alby Mathewson have all signed contract extensions at the province.
The Greencore Munster Rugby Academy duo of Sean O’Connor and Keynan Knox have also put pen to paper.

Tyler Bleyendaal has made 47 appearances in red since his debut in September 2015 and has captained the province on 11 occasions. Munster’s Player of the Year in 2017, the New Zealand-born playmaker will remain with the province until June 2021.

Tighthead prop Ciaran Parker will move from a development contract to a senior contract for next season. The 23-year-old has made 11 appearances for the province.

Scrum-half Alby Mathewson will remain with the province until the end of the season after signing a further extension. The former All Black has played for Munster on 13 occasions, scoring two tries.

22-year-old Sean O’Connor will advance to the senior squad next season on a one-year development contract after completing his three years in the Academy. The versatile Tipperary native can play at lock and in the back row and has made nine appearances for the province. In 2016 he featured for the Ireland U20s side that secured their best-ever finish as runners-up at the World Rugby U20 Championship in England.

Keynan Knox has signed a three-year deal with the province that sees him continue with the Academy for a further year before advancing to the senior ranks. The 19-year-old Young Munster player featured for Munster A on five occasions in the Celtic Cup earlier this season."

Pepp1989

Very surprised with the Tyler news.

Great for Munster re alby. Going to be vital at the business end of the season.

Cookiemunster

Psycho Killer - "Hands Away" (Prop-Prop-Prrrroppp-Prop, Prop-Prop-Prop-Prrrrrrop-Prop)

Contract extensions.

Mathewson extends until........................................ the end of the season.

Bleyendaal extends until 2021.

Ciaran Parker signs a senior contract (no dates though).

Sean O'Connor signs a development contract.

Kenyan Knox signs a 3 years contract, but has one more year in the academy.

Buer

Psycho Killer - "Hands Away" (Prop-Prop-Prrrroppp-Prop, Prop-Prop-Prop-Prrrrrrop-Prop)

Sensible decisions which will benefit Munster.

Interesting one on Keynan Knox. I don't think I've seen a player sign such a contract before where it basically keeps him in the academy for the final year of his stint whilst guaranteeing him a move up to the senior ranks thereafter.

yerrahbah

Delighted that Mathewson is staying until the end of the season.

Haven't seen anything from TB to say he warrants a contract extension. He'll be useful around the RWC though.

The more contracts that get handed out the worse it looks for Williams and Hart.

thomond2006

A new born king to see POM POM POM POM POM

List time!

Eod100

Bit surprised about TB being kept. Matthewson decision makes sense.

Must see a lot of potential for Keynan Knox. Would 3 years residency start from when he was with academy? Or moves up to senior side?

Might not be good news for anyone left subcontracted but still a couple of months left in season.

Caranica

Buer wrote: »

Sensible decisions which will benefit Munster.

Interesting one on Keynan Knox. I don't think I've seen a player sign such a contract before where it basically keeps him in the academy for the final year of his stint whilst guaranteeing him a move up to the senior ranks thereafter.

He was signed from a South African school iirc. Will be IQ in his first senior year as he came in before the residency rule changed

thomond2006

A new born king to see POM POM POM POM POM

Kevin O'Byrne 2020
Rhys Marshall 2021
Niall Scannell 2021
Mike Sherry 2019

Diarmuid Barron Year 1
Eoghan Clarke Year 1

James Cronin 2021
Dave Kilcoyne 2020
Liam O'Connor 2020
Jeremy Loughman 2020

James French Year 1
Josh Wycherley Year 1

Stephen Archer 2020
John Ryan 2022
Brian Scott 2020
Ciaran Parker 2020

Keynan Knox Year 3 & 2022

Tadhg Beirne 2020
Billy Holland 2020
Jean Kleyn 2022
Sean O'Connor 2020
Darren O'Shea 2020
Fineen Wycherley 2021

Thomas Ahern Year 1

Arno Botha 2020
Gavin Coombes 2021
Chris Cloete 2022
Dave O'Callaghan 2019
Tommy O'Donnell 2021
Jack O'Donoghue 2021
Peter O'Mahony 2021
Conor Oliver 2020
CJ Stander 2021

Jack Daly Year 1
Jack O'Sullivan Year 2

Neil Cronin 2021
Nick McCarthy 2021
James Hart 2019
Alby Mathewson 2019
Conor Murray 2022
Duncan Williams 2019

Craig Casey Year 2
Jack Stafford Year 2

Tyler Bleyendaal 2021
Joey Carbery 2020
JJ Hanrahan 2021
Bill Johnston 2020

Ben Healy Year 1
Alan Tynan Year 2

Sam Arnold 2020
Shane Daly 2021
Chris Farrell 2022
Dan Goggin 2020
Rory Scannell 2021
Jaco Taute 2019

Sean French Year 1
Alex McHenry Year 2
Matt More Year 2

Andrew Conway 2020
Keith Earls 2021
Stephen Fitzgerald 2019 - on loan at Connacht
Mike Haley 2021
Ronan O'Mahony 2019
Calvin Nash 2021
Darren Sweetnam 2021
Alex Wootton 2021

Liam Coombes Year 2
James McCarthy Year 2
Jonathan Wren Year 1

2019/20 Movements:
IN: Nick McCarthy (SH, Leinster)
OUT: Ian Keatley (FH, Benetton)

2019/20 NIEs:
Arno Botha (capped), Chris Cloete (uncapped)

Caranica

Eod100 wrote: »

Must see a lot of potential for Keynan Knox. Would 3 years residency start from when he was with academy? Or moves up to senior side?

Great minds Would imagine residency is residency

thomond2006

A new born king to see POM POM POM POM POM

Buer wrote: »

Sensible decisions which will benefit Munster.

Interesting one on Keynan Knox. I don't think I've seen a player sign such a contract before where it basically keeps him in the academy for the final year of his stint whilst guaranteeing him a move up to the senior ranks thereafter.

Knox hasn't even made a Pro14 appearance yet. He must be very highly rated indeed and/or there was interest for his services elsewhere.

Bleyendaal getting two years is a bit of a surprise. Perhaps his ability to cover centre is what pushed it over the line.

Buer

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Caranica wrote: »

He was signed from a South African school iirc. Will be IQ in his first senior year as he came in before the residency rule changed

Good point. I imagine Munster/IRFU want to tie him down for a little longer to see how he turns out. Last thing they want to do is invest 3 years in a bloke, get him properly conditioned and trained up as a pro player only to see him head back to SA.

Buer

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Eod100 wrote: »

Must see a lot of potential for Keynan Knox. Would 3 years residency start from when he was with academy? Or moves up to senior side?

It commences once Ireland became his primary place of residency.

thomond2006

A new born king to see POM POM POM POM POM

Mike Sherry
Dave O'Callaghan
James Hart
Alby Mathewson
Duncan Williams
Jaco Taute
Stephen Fitzgerald - on loan at Connacht
Ronan O'Mahony

Eod100

thomond2006 wrote: »

Kevin O'Byrne 2020
Rhys Marshall 2021
Niall Scannell 2021
Mike Sherry 2019

Diarmuid Barron Year 1
Eoghan Clarke Year 1

James Cronin 2021
Dave Kilcoyne 2020
Liam O'Connor 2020
Jeremy Loughman 2020

James French Year 1
Josh Wycherley Year 1

Stephen Archer 2020
John Ryan 2022
Brian Scott 2020
Ciaran Parker 2020

Keynan Knox Year 3 & 2022

Tadhg Beirne 2020
Billy Holland 2020
Jean Kleyn 2022
Sean O'Connor 2020
Darren O'Shea 2020
Fineen Wycherley 2021

Thomas Ahern Year 1

Arno Botha 2020
Gavin Coombes 2021
Chris Cloete 2022
Dave O'Callaghan 2019
Tommy O'Donnell 2021
Jack O'Donoghue 2021
Peter O'Mahony 2021
Conor Oliver 2020
CJ Stander 2021

Jack Daly Year 1
Jack O'Sullivan Year 2

Neil Cronin 2021
Nick McCarthy 2021
James Hart 2019
Alby Mathewson 2019
Conor Murray 2022
Duncan Williams 2019

Craig Casey Year 2
Jack Stafford Year 2

Tyler Bleyendaal 2021
Joey Carbery 2020
JJ Hanrahan 2021
Bill Johnston 2020

Ben Healy Year 1
Alan Tynan Year 2

Sam Arnold 2020
Shane Daly 2021
Chris Farrell 2022
Dan Goggin 2020
Rory Scannell 2021
Jaco Taute 2019

Sean French Year 1
Alex McHenry Year 2
Matt More Year 2

Andrew Conway 2020
Keith Earls 2021
Stephen Fitzgerald 2019 - on loan at Connacht
Mike Haley 2021
Ronan O'Mahony 2019
Calvin Nash 2021
Darren Sweetnam 2021
Alex Wootton 2021

Liam Coombes Year 2
James McCarthy Year 2
Jonathan Wren Year 1

2019/20 Movements:
IN: Nick McCarthy (SH, Leinster)
OUT: Ian Keatley (FH, Benetton)

2019/20 NIEs:
Arno Botha (capped), Chris Cloete (uncapped)

Seems Sherry and Taute are almost certain to be gone. Think same for ROM. Would have thought Williams is likely to go, don't think Matthewson extension changes much for him.

Fitzgerald is with Connacht til end of season, dunno could he be kept on there.

Rumours of France for Hart and DOC.

Henry Ford III

Well that announcement surprised a few 😂

Homesick Alien

Yeah very surprised at TB extension. Have seen nothing from him of late to warrant that unless he is on significantly reduced pay. Hope he can step up.

Cookiemunster

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thomond2006 wrote: »

Mike Sherry
Dave O'Callaghan
James Hart
Alby Mathewson
Duncan Williams
Jaco Taute
Stephen Fitzgerald - on loan at Connacht
Ronan O'Mahony

I can't see many (if any) of those getting contracts.

yerrahbah

thomond2006 wrote: »

Mike Sherry
Dave O'Callaghan
James Hart
Alby Mathewson
Duncan Williams
Jaco Taute
Stephen Fitzgerald - on loan at Connacht
Ronan O'Mahony

Sherry was such a talented player.
Cursed by injury.
Still only 30

Eod100

Cookiemunster wrote: »

I can't see many (if any) of those getting contracts.

Bar Williams don't think many have featured that much this season, think you're right. Feel for Sherry the most.

aloooof

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Eod100 wrote: »

Bar Williams don't think many have featured that much this season, think you're right. Feel for Sherry the most.

I think Sherry got a few starts near the start of the season, but that was about it.

Kirk Van Houten

Knox is a fantastic prospect. Already impressive at AIL level and holding his own at A level. He's still only 19.
He may need another season or two to make it through to Pro14 level and that's why Parker got his extension to help bridge that gap.

As for Alby - very similar to Taute and how his contracts were managed.

LuckyGent88

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Delighted with the extension for AB. Really brings an energy to the team once he is playing.

Surprised with the resigning of TB. Injury prone and when he has played lately he has been pretty poor especially kicking from hand.

Tomtom364

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I for one am delighted, and not surprised to see Tyler getting a deal. Currently Scannell is our only center that really plays 12, all the others are 13s who can do a job. Tyler covers 10/12 to a good standard.

I also think it is a really bit testament to him that he now captains the team ahead of Billy Holland when both play. Really shows how the players and coaches feel about him. "The General" nickname does sound like it runs true from the bits about him I've heard in interviews of coaches and other players over the seasons.


Also delighted for Matthewson, next season aside, he definitely deserved an extension to see out this season and Munster can certainly make good use of him. Said it before, I hate seeing any player out of contract in March/April, on a personal level for the player.