Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

Ray Bloody Purchase

Anyone familiar with going over this bridge?

I was going over it yesterday in the lane marked bus/bike and a taxi driver started screaming at me that i should be in the designated bike lane?

The designated bike lane seems to be for bicycles coming over from south to north??

magicbastarder

can't say for sure, but the orientation of the bike symbol seems to indicate the entrance to the separated bike lane is from the quays, so looks like it's contra-flow?

however, if you look at it from the quays, there's no sign indicating this, and there's a 'look left' for pedestrians - whereas if the lane *is* contra flow, they'd have to look right.

edit: i'm guessing it's a badly signposted continuation of the northbound cycle lane from the bridge, which implies a cyclist joins the lane from the path.

buffalo

Ray Bloody Purchase wrote: »

Anyone familiar with going over this bridge?

I was going over it yesterday in the lane marked bus/bike and a taxi driver started screaming at me that i should be in the designated bike lane?

The designated bike lane seems to be for bicycles coming over from south to north??

I've had aggro there before as well. That small stretch is contra-flow coming from the quays, albeit not very well marked as magicbastarder points out. It continues across the island with the eternal flame to give you access to Amien St.

magicbastarder

what's the legality of directing a cyclist onto a footpath anyway? lots of dismounting and mounting?

Ray Bloody Purchase

buffalo wrote: »

I've had aggro there before as well. That small stretch is contra-flow coming from the quays, albeit not very well marked as magicbastarder points out. It continues across the island with the eternal flame to give you access to Amien St.

I've had people beeping at me when i've been on it before this too. If these people are so bloody smart they should be able to figure out that the bus/cycle is lane is actually a fcuking cycle lane due to the massive bike painted on the fcuking thing.

Really fcuks my chakras right off.

Hurrache

It's mayhem cycling over that bridge anyway, there's usually a good crowd of cyclists waiting at the lights to go across and then head in one of the 3 directions they can. Anyone that uses it should be well used to it. (edit: by anyone I mean motorists, not cyclists)

Incidentally one time I was driving across it, at the pedestrian lights on the other side where you turn left down the quays, I got giving out to and called all sorts from a lady in the car behind because I stopped when the light was orange, much to the bemusement at the early morning crowd waiting to cross.

Ray Bloody Purchase

Hurrache wrote: »

It's mayhem cycling over that bridge anyway, there's usually a good crowd of cyclists waiting at the lights to go across and then head in one of the 3 directions they can. Anyone that uses it should be well used to it.

True enough, I always feel like i'm being chased by this crowd coming over that bloody bridge though.

buffalo

magicbastarder wrote: »

what's the legality of directing a cyclist onto a footpath anyway? lots of dismounting and mounting?

Pretty much I think. In this case the cycle track continues though:
https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.3492175,-6.2517809,62m/data=!3m1!1e3

Indeed, there's even a contraflow track on the bridge itself (all car lanes on the bridge are one-way southbound):
https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.3475325,-6.2518413,62m/data=!3m1!1e3

edit: So for bikes, this is valid:


You'd have to do this in a car:

Ray Bloody Purchase

Cheers buffalo. I don't mind getting a bollocking when i'm in the wrong, fair enough, but yer man was practically dribbling out the window roaring at me.

Thankfully i'm not a violent man and didn't thump the stupid fcuking chops off him.

homer911

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

Of course it's good thing for cyclists to obey the rules of the road and so on. But to suggest that it is in any way significant in changing the attitudes of those who criticise cyclists seems absurd.

So you are saying that its ok for cyclists to disobey the rules of the road because motorists are going to give out about them anyway?? That's self perpetuating logic and will never solve anything

mr spuckler

homer911 wrote: »

So you are saying that its ok for cyclists to disobey the rules of the road because motorists are going to give out about them anyway?? That's self perpetuating logic and will never solve anything

I read the comment quite differently than you did.

Chips Lovell

It's unclear what direction it's for but, either way, it's irrelevant. You're not obliged to use a bike lane.

Arcade_Tryer

homer911 wrote: »

So you are saying that its ok for cyclists to disobey the rules of the road because motorists are going to give out about them anyway?? That's self perpetuating logic and will never solve anything

No. Even if cyclists do obey the rules of the road, motorists will still give out about cyclists because they don't like cyclists. It's not about obeying or disobeying the rules of the road, it's about getting motorists to firstly accept cyclists, secondly to like cyclists, and eventually ideally become cyclists themselves.

whiskeyman

I posted this on the motors > dashcams, but I think you guys would want to see it.
Shocking stuff you have to put up with.
I love cycling myself, but this kind of driving turns me off from cycling to work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB3UVPafrp8

magicbastarder

that's on my commute. i'm not sure if the bollards have helped or hindered the situation.

Ferris

whiskeyman wrote: »

I posted this on the motors > dashcams, but I think you guys would want to see it.
Shocking stuff you have to put up with.
I love cycling myself, but this kind of driving turns me off from cycling to work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB3UVPafrp8

Looks to me like the cyclist is undertaking here, although the driver should have checked his blind spot.

Same has occurred to me a few times at that junction and I’ve learned to stay back from cars crossing the cycle path, it’s just easier

micar

4 close calls myself this week.

2 Monday morning .....person turning left with no indicator and the person turning right stopped a foot away from t boning me ....happened on the junction at Anglesey bridge ...

2 this morning ..... van driver turning right on leeson st to go towards the Siemens building.. stopped half way across the road. ......was eye balling me. So I went back to have a chat....claims he didn't see me.

second was at foxrock church....went past the 145 dropping off passengers and continued onto the road...looked behind me and saw a car pass the bus and begin to cut across it to turn right and went to cut across me....almost didn't stop......went ballistic at him.....he couldn't care less.

Red cycling jackets ....hi viz and lights mean nothing.

Am getting a camera this weekend.

P_1

Interestingly I've noticed a garda at College Green who is insistent on directing you up that cycle lane by the BOI no matter which direction you want to go.

Had a few near misses lately with cars turning right in Drumcondra between the canal and Clonliffe Road as I was going north. Possibly my fault for filtering though, not sure on that.

helimachoptor

Ferris wrote: »

Looks to me like the cyclist is undertaking here, although the driver should have checked his blind spot.

Same has occurred to me a few times at that junction and I’ve learned to stay back from cars crossing the cycle path, it’s just easier

yeah thats my route in too, its more dangerous when there isnt as much traffic tbh as people floor it to get a second or 2 ahead

magicbastarder

P_1 wrote: »

Interestingly I've noticed a garda at College Green who is insistent on directing you up that cycle lane by the BOI no matter which direction you want to go.

many years ago, i used to cycle through chapelizod on the way into work in the morning (down knockmaroon hill and along the side of the park); and there was a garda on duty in the mornings at that bad junction - and as soon as he saw a cyclist, he'd stop all other traffic, and wave the cyclist through, before resuming 'normal' operations. used to always give him a wave, top bloke.

Type 17

magicbastarder wrote: »

that's on my commute. i'm not sure if the bollards have helped or hindered the situation.

Ferris wrote: »

Same has occurred to me a few times at that junction and I’ve learned to stay back from cars crossing the cycle path, it’s just easier

I presume that the bollards were added to prevent motor vehicles from using (and stopping in) the bike lane to skip past the straight-ahead queue when turning left, but I feel that it was better without them because, in faster traffic, you could take the lane to keep left-turners back, if required.

magicbastarder

yeah, i think if a car cuts across you there now, it's going to be a bit more abrupt.
the bollards were replaced a while back - someone had obviously driven through them - but now, the cycle lane there is filthy from the work going on building whatever monstrosity that is in the frascati centre.

Chiparus

Ferris wrote: »

whiskeyman wrote: »

I posted this on the motors > dashcams, but I think you guys would want to see it.
Shocking stuff you have to put up with.
I love cycling myself, but this kind of driving turns me off from cycling to work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB3UVPafrp8

Looks to me like the cyclist is undertaking here, although the driver should have checked his blind spot.

Same has occurred to me a few times at that junction and I’ve learned to stay back from cars crossing the cycle path, it’s just easier

Are you not allowed to undertake if the outside lane is moving slowly?

axer

P_1 wrote: »

Interestingly I've noticed a garda at College Green who is insistent on directing you up that cycle lane by the BOI no matter which direction you want to go.

I think you may have mistaken that the garda wanted you to go that way. It was probably for a taxi or car somewhere behind you. I had the same thing but I gestured asking him if he meant me but he gestured, no, the taxi behind me.

axer

Ferris wrote: »

Looks to me like the cyclist is undertaking here, although the driver should have checked his blind spot.

Same has occurred to me a few times at that junction and I’ve learned to stay back from cars crossing the cycle path, it’s just easier

It's hard to make out for sure but I can't see any indicator on until the car is already on the bike track. Car driver in the wrong from what I can see. The driver should have been indicating from the start of the bollards.

In that situation, for cyclist positioning, it is better to be well in front or behind the car in such a situation (as in parallel on the bike track) - definitely never side by side as it is on the firing line for bad drivers - can never trust that indicators will be used. This can be difficult when there are a lot of cars on the lane varying speeds.

P_1

axer wrote: »

I think you may have mistaken that the garda wanted you to go that way. It was probably for a taxi or car somewhere behind you. I had the same thing but I gestured asking him if he meant me but he gestured, no, the taxi behind me.

No he actually called out to me and pointed towards it specifically mentioning the cycle lane. Saw him there again this morning.

Ruat Caelum

PaulieC wrote: »

Talk to anyone about cyclists and they don't mention the 95% of safe cyclists. All cyclists get tarred with the RLJ brush regardless.

I can't agree that 95% cyclists are safe. I commute on the bike everyday, don't drive at all. Every morning I go one of two routes, towards town through harold's cross, and then up the canal ... or when I have to go into town, over the canal and up the south circular road. If traffic lights are at cross roads, I would estimate at least 40% will go through with the pedestrian green light (I'm thinking the crossroads where kimmage road meets sundrive, crossroads at the canal, and crossroads at Leonards corner). At the traffic lights where Kimmage road lower (R817) meets Harold's Cross road (R137) not long before the Hospice, I would say at least 50% of cyclists jump the redlight some mornings.

I know there are plenty of safe cyclists, and I try to be one of them, but I don't think it benefits anyone by ignoring how many unsafe cyclists there are out there either.

Ruat Caelum

axer wrote: »

It's hard to make out for sure but I can't see any indicator on until the car is already on the bike track. Car driver in the wrong from what I can see. The driver should have been indicating from the start of the bollards.

Indicator doesn't come on until the chap on the bike has started his kick... I would have thought the car driver is definitely in the wrong there. Scary looking stuff.

5uspect

Ruat Caelum wrote: »

Indicator doesn't come on until the chap on the bike has started his kick... I would have thought the car driver is definitely in the wrong there. Scary looking stuff.

There’s a new bridge across the N3 on the Blanchardstown North road with these kind of cycles lanes with exit lanes crossing them. Motorists will just speed up and left book you all the time rather than ease off to pull in safely behind you.

I’ve switched my route because that new stretch of cycle lane is too dangerous.

magicbastarder

Ruat Caelum wrote: »

Indicator doesn't come on until the chap on the bike has started his kick... I would have thought the car driver is definitely in the wrong there. Scary looking stuff.

yes, looks like the front wheel of the car is already halfway across the cycle lane when the indicator first comes on.