Why is there no Roads or buildings named after Éamon de Valera

Noddyholder

Maybe not for afterhours who knows...

De Valera was a commander in the 1916 Easter Rising, a political leader in the War of Independence and of the anti-Treaty opposition in the ensuing Irish Civil War (1922–1923). After leaving Sinn Féin in 1926 due to its policy of abstentionism, he founded Fianna Fáil, and was head of government (President of the Executive Council, later Taoiseach) from 1932 to 1948, 1951 to 1954, and 1957 to 1959, when he resigned after being elected as President of Ireland. His political creed evolved from militant republicanism to social and cultural conservatism.[4]

Assessments of de Valera's career have varied; he has often been characterised as a stern, unbending, devious, and divisive Irish politician. Biographer Tim Pat Coogan sees his time in power as being characterised by economic and cultural stagnation, while Diarmaid Ferriter argues that the stereotype of de Valera as an austere, cold and even backward figure was largely manufactured in the 1960s and is misguided.[4]
https://www.google.es/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiWz62u8MvSAhWLLMAKHbvnAWwQFggbMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F%25C3%2589amon_de_Valera&usg=AFQjCNFjZPjWcmRikydJ19Pw7qNtXY0lVg


He won eight elections over the period of the 1930s, 40s and 50s and ended his career as president of Ireland between 1959 and 1973, when - at the age of 90 - he was the oldest head of state in the world.

So we have Roads etc named after Michael Collins & James Connelly, Michael Davitt, why not after Eamon de Valera ? He was a huge figure in Irish politics ?

Noddyholder

In before we haven't got a long and crooked one to name after him...

CINCLANTFLT

He shot Michael Collins dead!!!! No road for Dev!!!!

KERSPLAT!

There ya go

https://www.google.ie/maps/place/De+Valera+Pl,+Inns+Quay,+Dublin/@53.3589725,-6.2653095,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x48670e7c3505153f:0x82917adc3f0e8c64!8m2!3d53.3589725!4d-6.2631208

jimgoose

CINCLANTFLT wrote: »

He shot Michael Collins dead!!!! No road for Dev!!!!

Good man the Dan! Bally bastards!!

Noddyholder

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

There ya go

https://www.google.ie/maps/place/De+Valera+Pl,+Inns+Quay,+Dublin/@53.3589725,-6.2653095,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x48670e7c3505153f:0x82917adc3f0e8c64!8m2!3d53.3589725!4d-6.2631208

Interesting, a small little cul de sac named after him, Coincidence ?

He was a huge figure in Irelands history, from the rising ,war of independence, through the civil war right up to the early seventies, Its a bit odd ? who makes these decision's ?

Permabear

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valoren

I drove over De Valera Bridge in Cork this morning.

corner of hells

Permabear wrote: »

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valoren wrote: »

I drove over De Valera Bridge in Cork this morning.

A bridge and road that stretches from Donegal to Cork ? Feck off the pair of yis.

Mint Sauce

Permabear wrote: »

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Seconded. Was just about to say that one.

Boom_Bap

Amiens Street

Noddyholder

:o:o You may close this if you wish mods :o I need to get out more :rolleyes:

Cee-Jay-Cee

Mint Sauce wrote: »

Seconded. Was just about to say that one.

Me too.

We have a Pearse rd in letterkenny too, wile patriotic bunch we are up here.

Noddyholder

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Amiens Street

Amiens Street, located in Dublin, Ireland was named after Viscount Amiens, Earl of Aldborough. :pac: I never knew that either :pac:

SEPT 23 1989

Noddyholder wrote: »

:o:o You may close this if you wish mods :o I need to get out more :rolleyes:

You dont get out of this unholy mess that easily

me_right_one

These things arent enough for the stature of the man. They should rename something nationally important after him, eg the Phoneix park, or Grafton St

whisky_galore

Not a whole lot of things named after Lemass either.

I'd wager that at the time that he died, the fad for naming or renaming stuff after old rebels had passed.

GoodBridge

There's a Irish software development forum on Reddit called DevelEire (www.reddit.com/r/DevelEire) contraction of Development and Eire but sounds like De Valera. That's much better than having some stinkin' road or building named after you.

Boom_Bap

whisky_galore wrote: »

Not a whole lot of things named after Lemass either.

I'd wager that at the time that he died, the fad for naming or renaming stuff after old rebels had passed.

yeah but Lemass is in Le Church every day Misour

The bridge in Cork was named after Rocky de Valera. Trivia there for you.

Arghus

I guess if you get to run the place for years you don't need the token gesture of having a few roundabouts named,after you.

TooObvious

I heard De Valera described as McCartney to Collin's Lennon. As we all know Lennon was shot dead - ipso facto he was the cool one.

JupiterKid

This has been discussed on boards before and it seems that the main reason was Dev's longevity. He died in 1975 aged 92 and by then the fashion for naming places and streets after patriots had largely ended.

Also, Dev was a very divisive figure. While he was very popular in the early State, he was also very unpopular with others.

keeponhurling

There's a statue of him in Ennis.

Also the library is named de Valera library (which is a building!).

Harry Palmr

I think it's cos he sounds like a foreigner.

Badly Drunk Boy

I presume you've heard of Paddy Joe Main (1880-1916). Most biggest towns have remembered him.

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I think it's cos he sounds like a foreigner.

Yeah, we don't like dem lads...

biko

De Valera Park, Limerick
Eamon de Valera Place, Carrick-On-Suir

DEFTLEFTHAND

I think he has a remembrance garden named after him in Israel of all places.

Noddyholder

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I think he has a remembrance garden named after him in Israel of all places.

Holy God yer right there

The planting and dedication of the forest was arranged by the Dublin Jewish community, in recognition of De Valera's consistent support for Ireland's Jews.[1]

The Irish Constitution of 1937, the drafting of which was personally supervised by De Valera the writing of the Constitution specifically gave constitutional protection to Jews. This was considered to be a necessary component to the constitution by Éamon de Valera because of the treatment of Jews elsewhere in Europe at the time.[2]

In 1948 De Valera overruled the Department of Justice when it barred one hundred and fifty refugee Jewish children from travelling to Ireland as refugees.[3]

https://www.google.es/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjai_SYmszSAhVG0hoKHehTBzQQFggyMAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F%25C3%2589amon_de_Valera_Forest&usg=AFQjCNELGj4d47Mseq0UAWIA5FVH4nZ8pg

The_Valeyard

JupiterKid wrote: »

This has been discussed on boards before and it seems that the main reason was Dev's longevity. He died in 1975 aged 92 and by then the fashion for naming places and streets after patriots had largely ended.

Also, Dev was a very divisive figure. While he was very popular in the early State, he was also very unpopular with others.

I think history currently judges him quite harshly, for obvious reasons. But it would be interesting to see in another 100years, how he is regarded.

Noddyholder

I I I actually was talking about Dev the mod, my mistake...

Nekarsulm

Because at tte time, agriculture was a major industry and employer.
Dev's "Economic War" with Britain ushered in a decade of stagnation and hardship for all rural people. His idea of starving the Brits by not exporting our agri produce only hurt ourselves.

Nobody wanted to be reminded of that...

Harry Palmr

I'm struck by the nature of places that are named after patriots, they nearly always seem to be impoverished and run-down. Though it may just be a case of inner-city developments that were once perfectly fine having been left behind by suburbs in one direction and gentrification of certain urban sweet spots in the other.

whisky_galore

De Valera Street, Youghal.

Quite what connection he had to Youghal eludes me.

whisky_galore

The_Valeyard wrote: »

I think history currently judges him quite harshly, for obvious reasons. But it would be interesting to see in another 100years, how he is regarded.

People remember the elderly blind occupant of the Arus or the best buddy of Archbishop McQuaid or associate him with the pretty bleak, uninspired period from the 30's through to the 1950's. TBF even when young he had the look of a charisma-less gangly schoolmaster. I think the Michael Collins movie (which contained a good dollop of fiction of course) did a good bit of damage to his image, esp. in the minds of people who were never around while he was alive.

We never got to see what Collins was like in his old age, so obvs. like James Dean he'll always be remembered as the dashing, good looking young rebel.

Mint Sauce

Also a road named after him in...

India!

Victor

Places in Ireland with "Valera" in the name: http://url.ie/11ph3

Harry Palmr wrote: »

I'm struck by the nature of places that are named after patriots, they nearly always seem to be impoverished and run-down. Though it may just be a case of inner-city developments that were once perfectly fine having been left behind by suburbs in one direction and gentrification of certain urban sweet spots in the other.

All to often, such names were used in areas with council housing.

CINCLANTFLT

You'd like to think he thought about this as he settled the cross hairs on poor Michael Collins near Beal ma Blath on a late August day... but then the evil rose up in him and whispered "I don't care about no stinkin' roads being named after me!"... then a shot rang out, a patriot fell and a tall traitor slunk off into a field, with a grin on his long hungry looking face...

Red Kev

Muff in Donegal is named after he, because he sounds like a bit of a cnut.

Green Mile

Didn’t Éamon de Valera shoot the potato and fcuk’d the whole country up?

Zebra3

Dev was a thief who appropriately enough founded Fianna Fáil the party of crooks. See Irish Press scam.

He also facilitated the torture and enslavement of innocent Irish people by the Roman church. See other thread on here.

Why the hell would anyone name anything after a toerag like that????

Victor

Zebra3 wrote: »

Dev was a thief who appropriately enough founded Fianna Fáil the party of crooks. See Irish Press scam.

He also facilitated the torture and enslavement of innocent Irish people by the Roman church. See other thread on here.

Why the hell would anyone name anything after a toerag like that????

We could name a sewage works after him, but that might be inappropriate this week.

ToddyDoody

I think a chipper in the midlands named a burger after him???

kneemos

Cos he ****ed us over when he handed the country on a plate to the church.

colm_mcm

There's a library named after him in Ennis.

DanielODonnell

The Unionists complain about places being named after hunger strikers yet London has a statue of Oliver Cromwell in the city centre

threeball

corner of hells wrote: »

A bridge and road that stretches from Donegal to Cork ? Feck off the pair of yis.

Wasn't called the long fella for nothing

threeball

Noddyholder wrote: »

Holy God yer right there

The planting and dedication of the forest was arranged by the Dublin Jewish community, in recognition of De Valera's consistent support for Ireland's Jews.[1]

The Irish Constitution of 1937, the drafting of which was personally supervised by De Valera the writing of the Constitution specifically gave constitutional protection to Jews. This was considered to be a necessary component to the constitution by Éamon de Valera because of the treatment of Jews elsewhere in Europe at the time.[2]

In 1948 De Valera overruled the Department of Justice when it barred one hundred and fifty refugee Jewish children from travelling to Ireland as refugees.[3]

https://www.google.es/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjai_SYmszSAhVG0hoKHehTBzQQFggyMAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F%25C3%2589amon_de_Valera_Forest&usg=AFQjCNELGj4d47Mseq0UAWIA5FVH4nZ8pg

Very generous of them to overlook him sending his condolences upon Hitlers death.

whisky_galore

kneemos wrote: »

Cos he ****ed us over when he handed the country on a plate to the church.

And you think any other political party would have acted differently?

Get real. The Irish were far too conservative to support any party not giving due deference to Mother Church.

Besides handing over control of schools and institutions to religious suited everyone in the newly independent Ireland...except those that got thrown into them...by their own people in many cases.

maryishere

JupiterKid wrote: »

Also, Dev was a very divisive figure. While he was very popular in the early State, he was also very unpopular with others.

He was unpopular with some people all right, he had little sympathy for the IRA and actually killed ( hung ) some IRA in Irish jail and a few more died on hunger strike in Irish jail.

ted1

Londonderry is called after him.

It's also the only word in the English language which has 6 silent letters at the start