Catholic celebrations and St. Patricks day

Live65a846d0ee

So why is this still a thing? After finding the ONE(out of how many?) baby mass graves it doesn't tell you everything about religion in this country? Absolutely disgusting and the fact that we celebrate these events such as St. Patrick converting Ireland to Christian is even worse. This mass grave found of ''illegitimate'' babies just makes my blood boil. Yes converting Ireland to a Christian country from pagan was the greatest thing that happened as a free add on you get mass baby graves and priests raping boys. If I get banned for this then that means I there is no freedom of speech whatsoever(any) in this forum. I will probably be labeled as a troll or inciting controversy when the ACTUAL FACTS speak for themselves.

freshpopcorn

You don't have to celebrate it if you don't want to!

Live65a846d0ee

freshpopcorn wrote: »

You don't have to celebrate it if you don't want to!

I don't, but why society still does?

freshpopcorn

Live65a846d0ee wrote: »

I don't, but why society still does?

They enjoy it and it makes them happy!

Stigura

I was hosting a friend here, over from england, one Paddys Day.

That 'night', about 02:30 or so, we were standing outside the local pub when Thomas staggered by. Eyes fixed on some point in the middle distance.

" F**k This! " he uttered. " I'm going home! ".

About fifteen minutes later, the zombie like Thomas staggered back down the street he'd earlier gone up.

" Wrong F**king Way! " He said.

Worth the craic. Just for things like that!


Never saw a priest all day either.

Absolam

I'd be a fan of the day that's in it.

Lucy8080

It's half time refreshments during lent. If it's banned ..sure we'll all go mad!

Paddys day was invented by the people ..and we managed to get the religious authorities to believe in it.

Every Paddys day I have a Skin-full ...pay for meself and the local bishop into Dublin Zoo..take him to the reptile house ..Point at the snakes and laugh... HA-HA.

Puke ..faint...and leave him with the bill for the taxi home!

It's tradition.

tomwaterford

Live65a846d0ee wrote: »

I don't, but why society still does?

Deos it matter once their not forcing their beliefs down your throat??

Graces7

I traded at a market in Bandon one Saint Patrick's Day.

There was nothing even vaguely Christian about the procession; in fact the manic drummers looked to be high on something very pagan.

Oh and then there was the "How many leprechauns can we register to break the world record" event.

Sure folk went to Mass. But afterwards? Pure pagan.

And historically the real Saint Patrick had almost nothing to do with Rome. The Church then was nothing like it is now.

You need OP to read up on some Irish history!

5th century Ireland especially. Read the Annals; all online free at C.E.L.T

Was not till centuries later when the religious orders invaded the country that things went sideways

OP what is REALLY bugging thee?

Del2005

Live65a846d0ee wrote: »

So why is this still a thing? After finding the ONE(out of how many?) baby mass graves it doesn't tell you everything about religion in this country? Absolutely disgusting and the fact that we celebrate these events such as St. Patrick converting Ireland to Christian is even worse. This mass grave found of ''illegitimate'' babies just makes my blood boil. Yes converting Ireland to a Christian country from pagan was the greatest thing that happened as a free add on you get mass baby graves and priests raping boys. If I get banned for this then that means I there is no freedom of speech whatsoever(any) in this forum. I will probably be labeled as a troll or inciting controversy when the ACTUAL FACTS speak for themselves.

Like Christmas Paddies day is no longer a Christian celebration. Paddies day is one of the biggest Irish events in the world and celebrated by millions.

If you are so upset about the abuse go after the organisations responsible and the Irish government is one of them so you have to leave the country as your taxes are supporting this organisation.

But you might run into problems in other countries as if it wasn't a religious organisation then it would be a state institution that committed horrific acts against their people. No European country that had colonies is purr.
The USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand have terrible records of the treatment of indigenous people. And most of the the rest of the countries in the world are currently treating some of their population terribly.

Your Face

A limp-wristed attempt at coercion, OP.

suicide_circus

Paddy's Day? More like Kristallnacht!

jimmy blevins

The church back then was only nominally controlled by rome, the church as we know it came in with the Normans.

Noddyholder

Paddy day is more than a catholic celebration, its about our Irishness & how we can drink more than anyone else & call it craic, :-) hic

Badly Drunk Boy

It was the snakes that St. Patrick didn't like, not the babies.

AudreyHepburn

St Patrick's Day is no longer a Catholic or Christian festival, rather it's about celebrating Ireland and being Irish.

OP if you don't like it fine but don't presume to look down on those of us that do.

fizzypish

I quit drinking so Paddys day can suck my nuts this year

Sam Kade

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

It was the snakes that St. Patrick didn't like, not the babies.

There's still plenty snakes left in the country, the two legged kind

eviltwin

Paddys day is not for Irish Catholics its for all Irish of all faiths and none. I'm not Catholic and have never felt I shouldn't celebrate the day, I'm as Irish as any holy Joe so I will continue to mark the day. It's our national holiday OP, it's nothing to do with religion anymore.

Tramore Tilly

There's your answer op. People cry about the poor babies and how bad the church is. But when it comes to standing up to the church they won't.

dav3

You can hardly say that March 17th is a day forced upon us by the catholic church. It's a lot more secular these days.

Good Friday on the other hand...

BBDBB

Sam Kade wrote: »

There's still plenty snakes left in the country, the two legged kind

It's our own fault, we keep voting for them

JimmyJabber

Live65a846d0ee wrote: »

So why is this still a thing? After finding the ONE(out of how many?) baby mass graves it doesn't tell you everything about religion in this country? Absolutely disgusting and the fact that we celebrate these events such as St. Patrick converting Ireland to Christian is even worse. This mass grave found of ''illegitimate'' babies just makes my blood boil. Yes converting Ireland to a Christian country from pagan was the greatest thing that happened as a free add on you get mass baby graves and priests raping boys. If I get banned for this then that means I there is no freedom of speech whatsoever(any) in this forum. I will probably be labeled as a troll or inciting controversy when the ACTUAL FACTS speak for themselves.

Because if they fall on a weekday, we get a bank holiday!

VinLieger

Cus its a bit of craic and has barely anything to do with the church anymore and like mentioned above most of us get a day off

conorhal

When was the last time St. Patrick was the theme of, or even featured in, the 'St. Patrick's Day' festival? They might as well rename it Diagio pissup day and be done with it.

Mr. CooL ICE

Live65a846d0ee wrote: »

If I get banned for this then that means I there is no freedom of speech whatsoever(any) in this forum

But... but... but there isn't freedom of speech on this site!

If you get banned, it would be for something else.

Cee-Jay-Cee

Society doesn't celebrate St Patrick's day as a religious festival, it's a national day of drinking and a chance for politicians to go on publicaly funded junkets to far away places.

Some older folk go to mass too but they go to mass everyday so St Patricks day is no different.

ScrubsfanChris

Anyone who's been to a parade in a city recently will see thats its definitely not just a catholic celebration anymore.

Glenster

I will be celebrating the Christianisation of Ireland by wearing a green afro wig, imbibing a poisonous amount of poorly poured Guinness's and sh*tting in someone's porch at 5am.

Amen.

whisky_galore

It's our very own Oktoberfest...in March.

whoopsadoodles

I was just thinking we should ban christmas.

Badly Drunk Boy

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

Society doesn't celebrate St Patrick's day as a religious festival, it's a national day of drinking and a chance for politicians to go on publicaly funded junkets to far away places.

Some older folk go to mass too but they go to mass everyday so St Patricks day is no different.

Way, way back in my day, you'd have the extra thrill of having the St Patrick's Day Mass 'as Gaeilge'. As soon as March came around, it'd be all about the anticipation of the Irish Mass. "Will they do justice to their A Thiarna Déan Trócaires?" and "Will the Ár nAthair completely blow my mind this year?".

You'd need a hape of alcohol to recover afterwards...

Grayson

whisky_galore wrote: »

It's our very own Oktoberfest...in March.

Except messier. I once had to make my way through the city centre at night on Paddy's day. I was sober and on my way to catch a bus. There were drunk people everywhere. It was a massive crush. There were people pissing and vomiting all over the place and the stench was unbelievable.

It's just as bad in the middle of the day. Go into any pub and you'll find people who are polluted by 3pm.

sbsquarepants

It's a religious holiday in name only - it's national get drunk and shag a tourist day in reality.
They fly in 1000 cheerleaders and then set them loose in temple bar - apart from the obvious thank you jesus, what is religious about that!:D

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Couldn't the same argument be made about Christmas Day? And Easter?

An Claidheamh

Live65a846d0ee wrote: »

I will probably be labeled as a troll or inciting controversy when the ACTUAL FACTS speak for themselves.

Yeah mate, have you ever heard of the atheist forum?

If you cannot tell the difference between religions, nationalities and bank holidays then you're an idiot.

End of.

And you are trolling.

keano_afc

Patrick brought Christianity to Ireland, not Catholicism.

NIMAN

Catholic Church?

I'd say the day is more owned by drinks companies now.

me_irl

keano_afc wrote: »

Patrick brought Christianity to Ireland, not Catholicism.

I'd prefer the snakes to be honest.

Oh wait, they're in government.


HEYOOOOOOOOOOO!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Glenster wrote: »

I will be celebrating the Christianisation of Ireland by... sh*tting in someone's porch at 5am.

Amen.

Spoken like a true patroit, Sir - well done!

Summer wind

I doubt many people under 70 celebrate St Patrick's day because of being Christian or Catholic. It's our national day of drink. Nothing to do with religion at all.

Hector Bellend

Live65a846d0ee wrote: »

So why is this still a thing? After finding the ONE(out of how many?) baby mass graves it doesn't tell you everything about religion in this country? Absolutely disgusting and the fact that we celebrate these events such as St. Patrick converting Ireland to Christian is even worse. This mass grave found of ''illegitimate'' babies just makes my blood boil. Yes converting Ireland to a Christian country from pagan was the greatest thing that happened as a free add on you get mass baby graves and priests raping boys. If I get banned for this then that means I there is no freedom of speech whatsoever(any) in this forum. I will probably be labeled as a troll or inciting controversy when the ACTUAL FACTS speak for themselves.

If you dont like them don't participate.

If you had a magic wand and made religion disappear today, will Child rape disappear too?

We all know the answer to this.

I'm not here to apologise for the sordid behaviour of any religion or to pretend that this stuff didnt happen in the name of religion.

However, some people dont need religion in their lives to commit crimes of this nature.

Hector Bellend

If we ban Paddys Day i'll have no excuse for sh1tting the bed about 12 hours after the cheltenham gold cup

RobertKK

Near all of western society have days off for Christian holidays whether it is at Easter or Christmas.
Even parts of Canada like Newfoundland have a day off for St Patrick's day.

If it upsets one, just ask to work on those days as a form of protest, if you normally have the day off...

Estrellita

Saint Paddy's day here has more to do with the whiskey than it does with the Saint. It's a day for the children, adults to have an excuse to drink excessively and in turn putting a major strain on hospitals and emergency services in general.

For most people, Saint Patrick's day has no more to do with religion than Christmas or Easter for them. It's days off and celebration time, pure and simple.

YourSuperior

OP you have a conflict between understanding what's going on in the world and being able to feel good about being in the world. Knowledge vs Happiness. You have/want to creatively overcome your existential problem and not flee to base, fleeting pleasures. Not settle for the lowest forms of pleasure which is all that a materialistic, consumer-capitalist culture can afford us. Seriously.

Yourself isit

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Couldn't the same argument be made about Christmas Day? And Easter?

Yule and eostre. Or some such bollocks.

222233

Live65a846d0ee wrote: »

So why is this still a thing? After finding the ONE(out of how many?) baby mass graves it doesn't tell you everything about religion in this country? Absolutely disgusting and the fact that we celebrate these events such as St. Patrick converting Ireland to Christian is even worse. This mass grave found of ''illegitimate'' babies just makes my blood boil. Yes converting Ireland to a Christian country from pagan was the greatest thing that happened as a free add on you get mass baby graves and priests raping boys. If I get banned for this then that means I there is no freedom of speech whatsoever(any) in this forum. I will probably be labeled as a troll or inciting controversy when the ACTUAL FACTS speak for themselves.

Thankfully I don't know anyone who "celebrates" st. patricks day, I know plenty who enjoy a non-religious session on Paddys day..

Sam Kade

BBDBB wrote: »

It's our own fault, we keep voting for them

True but what can we do when we have all snakes as candidates.

Irish Guitarist

When I was a teenager the parade went by our house. This was over 25 years ago in Carlow when the parade consisted of a couple of tractors, maybe a lorry advertising Doyles of The Shamrock and a float or two with some hurlers or Irish dancers. My father ran out of the house and ran back in really excited. He said to me "look what they dropped on the road!". He was holding a pillow that had fallen off one of the floats.

If a free pillow isn't cause for celebration I don't know what is.

jimmy blevins

jimmy blevins wrote: »

The church back then was only nominally controlled by rome, the church as we know it came in with the Normans.

More like it came with Paul Cullen and the rest of the Ultramontane, Romanising, Irish culture hating, Fenian-hating mob of rugby promoting, anglicised schools-promoting thugs in the latter half of the 19th century.

Cardinal Paul Cullen and his world

Emmet Larkin, The Devotional Revolution in Ireland, 1850-75(1972)

The Roman Catholic Church in Ireland in 1890 was a radically different thing to the Irish Catholic Church of 1790. To describe what they implemented as widespread religious and cultural colonialism of the Irish is very accurate.