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Catholic celebrations and St. Patricks day

Live65a846d0ee

So why is this still a thing? After finding the ONE(out of how many?) baby mass graves it doesn't tell you everything about religion in this country? Absolutely disgusting and the fact that we celebrate these events such as St. Patrick converting Ireland to Christian is even worse. This mass grave found of ''illegitimate'' babies just makes my blood boil. Yes converting Ireland to a Christian country from pagan was the greatest thing that happened as a free add on you get mass baby graves and priests raping boys. If I get banned for this then that means I there is no freedom of speech whatsoever(any) in this forum. I will probably be labeled as a troll or inciting controversy when the ACTUAL FACTS speak for themselves.

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Badly Drunk Boy

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

Society doesn't celebrate St Patrick's day as a religious festival, it's a national day of drinking and a chance for politicians to go on publicaly funded junkets to far away places.

Some older folk go to mass too but they go to mass everyday so St Patricks day is no different.

Way, way back in my day, you'd have the extra thrill of having the St Patrick's Day Mass 'as Gaeilge'. As soon as March came around, it'd be all about the anticipation of the Irish Mass. "Will they do justice to their A Thiarna Déan Trócaires?" and "Will the Ár nAthair completely blow my mind this year?".

You'd need a hape of alcohol to recover afterwards...

Grayson

whisky_galore wrote: »

It's our very own Oktoberfest...in March.

Except messier. I once had to make my way through the city centre at night on Paddy's day. I was sober and on my way to catch a bus. There were drunk people everywhere. It was a massive crush. There were people pissing and vomiting all over the place and the stench was unbelievable.

It's just as bad in the middle of the day. Go into any pub and you'll find people who are polluted by 3pm.

sbsquarepants

It's a religious holiday in name only - it's national get drunk and shag a tourist day in reality.
They fly in 1000 cheerleaders and then set them loose in temple bar - apart from the obvious thank you jesus, what is religious about that!:D

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Couldn't the same argument be made about Christmas Day? And Easter?

An Claidheamh

Live65a846d0ee wrote: »

I will probably be labeled as a troll or inciting controversy when the ACTUAL FACTS speak for themselves.

Yeah mate, have you ever heard of the atheist forum?

If you cannot tell the difference between religions, nationalities and bank holidays then you're an idiot.

End of.

And you are trolling.

keano_afc

Patrick brought Christianity to Ireland, not Catholicism.

NIMAN

Catholic Church?

I'd say the day is more owned by drinks companies now.

me_irl

keano_afc wrote: »

Patrick brought Christianity to Ireland, not Catholicism.

I'd prefer the snakes to be honest.

Oh wait, they're in government.

HEYOOOOOOOOOOO!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Glenster wrote: »

I will be celebrating the Christianisation of Ireland by... sh*tting in someone's porch at 5am.

Amen.

Spoken like a true patroit, Sir - well done!

Summer wind

I doubt many people under 70 celebrate St Patrick's day because of being Christian or Catholic. It's our national day of drink. Nothing to do with religion at all.

Hector Bellend

Live65a846d0ee wrote: »

So why is this still a thing? After finding the ONE(out of how many?) baby mass graves it doesn't tell you everything about religion in this country? Absolutely disgusting and the fact that we celebrate these events such as St. Patrick converting Ireland to Christian is even worse. This mass grave found of ''illegitimate'' babies just makes my blood boil. Yes converting Ireland to a Christian country from pagan was the greatest thing that happened as a free add on you get mass baby graves and priests raping boys. If I get banned for this then that means I there is no freedom of speech whatsoever(any) in this forum. I will probably be labeled as a troll or inciting controversy when the ACTUAL FACTS speak for themselves.

If you dont like them don't participate.

If you had a magic wand and made religion disappear today, will Child rape disappear too?

We all know the answer to this.

I'm not here to apologise for the sordid behaviour of any religion or to pretend that this stuff didnt happen in the name of religion.

However, some people dont need religion in their lives to commit crimes of this nature.

Hector Bellend

If we ban Paddys Day i'll have no excuse for sh1tting the bed about 12 hours after the cheltenham gold cup

RobertKK

Near all of western society have days off for Christian holidays whether it is at Easter or Christmas.
Even parts of Canada like Newfoundland have a day off for St Patrick's day.

If it upsets one, just ask to work on those days as a form of protest, if you normally have the day off...

Estrellita

Saint Paddy's day here has more to do with the whiskey than it does with the Saint. It's a day for the children, adults to have an excuse to drink excessively and in turn putting a major strain on hospitals and emergency services in general.

For most people, Saint Patrick's day has no more to do with religion than Christmas or Easter for them. It's days off and celebration time, pure and simple.

YourSuperior

OP you have a conflict between understanding what's going on in the world and being able to feel good about being in the world. Knowledge vs Happiness. You have/want to creatively overcome your existential problem and not flee to base, fleeting pleasures. Not settle for the lowest forms of pleasure which is all that a materialistic, consumer-capitalist culture can afford us. Seriously.

Yourself isit

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Couldn't the same argument be made about Christmas Day? And Easter?

Yule and eostre. Or some such bollocks.

222233

Live65a846d0ee wrote: »

So why is this still a thing? After finding the ONE(out of how many?) baby mass graves it doesn't tell you everything about religion in this country? Absolutely disgusting and the fact that we celebrate these events such as St. Patrick converting Ireland to Christian is even worse. This mass grave found of ''illegitimate'' babies just makes my blood boil. Yes converting Ireland to a Christian country from pagan was the greatest thing that happened as a free add on you get mass baby graves and priests raping boys. If I get banned for this then that means I there is no freedom of speech whatsoever(any) in this forum. I will probably be labeled as a troll or inciting controversy when the ACTUAL FACTS speak for themselves.

Thankfully I don't know anyone who "celebrates" st. patricks day, I know plenty who enjoy a non-religious session on Paddys day..

Sam Kade

BBDBB wrote: »

It's our own fault, we keep voting for them

True but what can we do when we have all snakes as candidates.

Irish Guitarist

When I was a teenager the parade went by our house. This was over 25 years ago in Carlow when the parade consisted of a couple of tractors, maybe a lorry advertising Doyles of The Shamrock and a float or two with some hurlers or Irish dancers. My father ran out of the house and ran back in really excited. He said to me "look what they dropped on the road!". He was holding a pillow that had fallen off one of the floats.

If a free pillow isn't cause for celebration I don't know what is.

[Deleted User]

jimmy blevins wrote: »

The church back then was only nominally controlled by rome, the church as we know it came in with the Normans.

More like it came with Paul Cullen and the rest of the Ultramontane, Romanising, Irish culture hating, Fenian-hating mob of rugby promoting, anglicised schools-promoting thugs in the latter half of the 19th century.

Cardinal Paul Cullen and his world

Emmet Larkin, The Devotional Revolution in Ireland, 1850-75(1972)

The Roman Catholic Church in Ireland in 1890 was a radically different thing to the Irish Catholic Church of 1790. To describe what they implemented as widespread religious and cultural colonialism of the Irish is very accurate.

Sam Kade

Summer wind wrote: »

I doubt many people under 70 celebrate St Patrick's day because of being Christian or Catholic. It's our national day of drink. Nothing to do with religion at all.

Everybody is happy to get drunk on patricks day and then they moan about good Friday because the pubs are closed, that's how Christianity balances things out.

whisky_galore

Grayson wrote: »

Except messier. I once had to make my way through the city centre at night on Paddy's day. I was sober and on my way to catch a bus. There were drunk people everywhere. It was a massive crush. There were people pissing and vomiting all over the place and the stench was unbelievable.

It's just as bad in the middle of the day. Go into any pub and you'll find people who are polluted by 3pm.

Anyone with any sense gets out of Dublin city centre after the sun goes down.

DanielODonnell

Patrick is also the patron saint of the Protestant churches so there is no use using St Patricks day for Catholic church slagging.
He is said to be buried in a Protestant church but that is only because the Protestants took over the church.

I take nothing to do with St Patricks day, I don't buy into American imperialism you see and every parade in Ireland should be banned.

DanielODonnell

eviltwin wrote: »

Paddys day is not for Irish Catholics its for all Irish of all faiths and none. I'm not Catholic and have never felt I shouldn't celebrate the day, I'm as Irish as any holy Joe so I will continue to mark the day. It's our national holiday OP, it's nothing to do with religion anymore.

that's nonsense, It is a day for Irish men of God but not for atheists, Patrick wasn't even an Irishman

seamus

St. Patrick's Day hasn't been a religious holiday for yonks.

Every nationality has a cultural "isn't it great to be us" day where people become stereotypes of their nationality and get drunk. 4th of July, Australia Day, St. George's Day, Cinco de Mayo, etc. etc.

They're all tied to some historical, religious or cultural reference, but have long since departed from the original meaning into just a day of self-satire and alcohol.

Paddy's Day is just the same.

[Deleted User]

Summer wind wrote: »

I doubt many people under 70 celebrate St Patrick's day because of being Christian or Catholic. It's our national day of drink. Nothing to do with religion at all.

There is always a massive turn out for mass on paddy's day (or the vigil the night before which I prefer myself so I can have a good run at the drinking on the day itself).

joe40

Apparently there used to be three days every year when pubs had to close. Christmas day, good friday and St. Patricks day. Or so I've heard could stand corrected.

Tigger

joe40 wrote: »

Apparently there used to be three days every year when pubs had to close. Christmas day, good friday and St. Patricks day. Or so I've heard could stand corrected.

Yup
Probably why they don't want to ease up on good Friday tho everyone drinks on good Friday don't they

[Deleted User]

It's a tough day for those of us living abroad

It's hard work fighting all the women off when you go to the Irish pub, ravenous so they do be

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

riffmongous wrote: »

It's a tough day for those of us living abroad

It's hard work fighting all the women off when you go to the Irish pub, ravenous so they do be

You mean, Thursdays?