Cardinal Desmond Connell dead.

GrumpyMe

Catholic Archbishop of Dublin Dr Diarmuid Martin said that Cardinal Connell, who had been ill for some time, passed away peacefully during the night in his sleep.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0221/854179-cardinal-desmond-connell-died/

Well for him - peaceful nights didn't come easily for some of his churches victims like Michael O'Brien for example!
https://youtu.be/2iQGczIx6Sg?t=2m



MOD WARNING: Usual rules apply; Criticisms of the man's life, actions and outcomes of said actions is fine but unfounded allegations are not.

DrumSteve

I'd imagine the wave of disappointment now hitting him when he realises his whole career was a waste of time would be something to behold.

topper75

DrumSteve wrote: »

I'd imagine the wave of disappointment now hitting him when he realises his whole career was a waste of time would be something to behold.

Is this the atheist equivalent of Gaybo's "suppose it's all true"? :-)

elefant

DrumSteve wrote: »

I'd imagine the wave of disappointment now hitting him when he realises his whole career was a waste of time would be something to behold.

Potentially better than the alternative for him.

selwyn froggitt

The very same Cardinal that went to the high court to prevent an Irish state inquiry from examining files concerned with clerical child abuse while he was in charge of the church in Dublin.

He ignored victims' allegations of abuse and failed to act against priests accused of paedophile activities.



No loss.

DrumSteve

topper75 wrote: »

Is this the atheist equivalent of Gaybo's "suppose it's all true"? :-)

I was kind of implying he is going to hell, but shure I suppose there could be nothing also.

murpho999

DrumSteve wrote: »

I'd imagine the wave of disappointment now hitting him when he realises his whole career was a waste of time would be something to behold.

Well he's dead, so he actually won't know anything.

That's the problem with religious folk, impossible their life long beliefs are total rubbish when they die. As if you could prove it then there is a form of afterlife. Quite a paradox.

Your Face

This thread has potential.

Zubeneschamali

GrumpyMe wrote: »

Catholic Archbishop of Dublin Dr Diarmuid Martin said that Cardinal Connell, who had been ill for some time, passed away peacefully during the night in his sleep.

Doctors described his condition as satisfactory.

eoinzy2000

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

GrumpyMe wrote: »

Catholic Archbishop of Dublin Dr Diarmuid Martin said that Cardinal  Connell, who had been ill for some time, passed away peacefully during  the night in his sleep.

Doctors described his condition as satisfactory.

I'm no Doctor, but I would also describe his condition as satisfactory. At least, I cant be hit with the "'don't be cruel, that was somebodys father' argument".......  or could I?

DrumSteve

eoinzy2000 wrote: »

I'm no Doctor, but I would also describe his condition as satisfactory. At least, I cant be hit with the "'don't be cruel, that was somebodys father' argument".......  or could I?

Well he was a father at some point.

razorblunt

There's a Highway to Hell and a Stairway to Heaven, says a lot about the anticipated travel numbers. His bus has left.

eviltwin

Very hard to say anything good about the man, his legacy will be his cover up of child abuse and the protection of monsters all for the good of his church. How can anyone overlook that to pay some respect I don't know. I'm sure in typical Irish fashion it will make the news and there will be fawning and platitudes but those of us who were affected by his actions will never forget.

elefant

I suppose this is the end of this thread then.

123balltv

Sympathies to victims of Ireland's shameful clerical abuse
that man who died let them all down.

Ash.J.Williams

just to reiterate the seriousness of covering up a paedo priest's actions. A priest was moved from a rural village near me to a dublin parish as he was up to no good with some local kids, he then went on to be a full on rapist ...as in anal penetration. if he was dealt with initially a child would not have been raped.

ibarelycare

Be respectful? He deserves absolutely none ffs. Get a grip.

subpar

Desmond " I have compensated no one " Connell R.I. P.

razorblunt

Agreed, while I hold my hands up and say my own post was probably disrespectful, this thread shouldn't suitably be for fawning remembrances exclusively.

milehip

Your Face wrote: »

This thread has potential.

You said it,in before the lock.

padd b1975

elefant wrote: »

I suppose this is the end of this thread then.

Yep, everyone has mooched back to the circle jerk that the A&A form is.

Anyway, listening to the coverage this morning the general consensus was that he was totally unsuited for the role and sadly for all concerned that was obvious from his actions.

RIP.

murpho999

I don't get why Boards.ie insist to be 'respectful' about dead people.

Firstly, dead people legally cannot be libeled.

Also, why should people who are broadly disrespected, such as criminals or dictators be respected in death?

Fred Swanson

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wandatowell

murpho999 wrote: »

I don't get why Boards.ie insist to be 'respectful' about dead people.

Probably got something to do with boards.ie being linked with daft.ie and other entities.

vicwatson

eviltwin wrote: »

Where do you draw a line, are we not allowed mention his past and the decisions he made and the lives affected by those choices? We are not talking about someone who didn't pay his taxes or cheated on his wife, he was instrumental in the protection of paedophiles and the cover up of child abuse. Because of a direct result of his actions people suffered, lives have been lost to suicide and substance abuse, families have been destroyed. I'd imagine a lot of people are upset today because his passing brings back bad memories and because he's going to get away with it. He doesn't deserve respect.

Give respect, get respect, he showed no one any respect and therefore doesn't deserve any.

Parchment

Ding Dong.

Laois_Man

padd b1975 wrote: »

the general consensus was that he was totally unsuited for the role and sadly for all concerned that was obvious from his actions.

RIP.

The worst part is, as far as the Vatican was/is concerned, he was perfectly suited. If he was the type of person who would do the decent thing, he wouldn't have been allowed to attain a position in the first place to do the decent thing.

GBX

Growing up this man confirmed my class in school. We were all in awe of the higher up priest who was going to confirm us and the stature he had in society. Little did we know the cover ups he was involved in at our age. I don't consider myself religious anymore. My faith in the church dwindled very fast once the news about the crimes being committed and shielded by the church hierarchy were now in the public domain. It is awful what people went through and the suffering they endured only to be denied by the likes of O'Connell et al.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmond_Connell#Handling_of_sexual_abuse_cases

infogiver

DrumSteve wrote: »

I'd imagine the wave of disappointment now hitting him when he realises his whole career was a waste of time would be something to behold.

Why?

Parchment

Laois_Man wrote: »

The worst part is, as far as the Vatican was/is concerned, he was perfectly suited. If he was the type of person who would do the decent thing, he wouldn't have been allowed to attain a position in the first place to do the decent thing.

The Vatican is hardly a beacon of good decision making.

ChikiChiki

Myself and my housemate were just talking about the Irish trait of never speaking ill of the dead and how everyone is considered great when they are gone.

Then I came across this thread. Nice to see we are changing. Good riddance DC.

wakka12

Respect where respect is due. None deserved here.

kneemos

murpho999 wrote: »

I don't get why Boards.ie insist to be 'respectful' about dead people.

Firstly, dead people legally cannot be libelled.

Also, why should people who are broadly disrespected, such as criminals or dictators?

Finally reached the level of thought policing.

Laois_Man

Parchment wrote: »

The Vatican is hardly a beacon of good decision making.

That was kinda half my point!

razorblunt

Thankfully the title edit has now been removed. Some common sense applied, thanks.

kneemos

razorblunt wrote: »

Thankfully the title edit has now been removed. Some common sense applied, thanks.

The mob was gathering and stones were being collected.

DrumSteve

kneemos wrote: »

The mob was gathering and stones were being collected.

Dr Crayfish

What a waste of a life, wearing ridiculous costumes and preaching make believe.
On top of that he enabled paedos. Do priests get to have sex in heaven?

infogiver

Dr. Martin is a much more suitable Archbishop, completely in touch with modern life.
Archbishop Connells biggest problem was his total disconnect from reality. He was literally living in a bubble with no concept of reality.
When he was confronted with reality in the form of paedophile priests his automatic reaction was to deny the truth and to set about putting the genie back in the bottle.
The Vatican should have removed him from the position as soon as they realised he was not dealing with the issue.
But now we see that all kinds of big corporations including TUSLA HSE AGS BBC, C of E all did the same.
Currently we're all trying to pretend that families all over the country aren't hiding paedophiles within. Nobody wants to report an immediate family member because the family will be destroyed.

Dr Crayfish

infogiver wrote: »

Dr. Martin is a much more suitable Archbishop, completely in touch with modern life.

Anyone who believes in fairytales is not in touch with life

Dr Crayfish

infogiver wrote: »

Currently we're all trying to pretend that families all over the country aren't hiding paedophiles within. Nobody wants to report an immediate family member because the family will be destroyed.

Please don't apply the twisted norms of the Catholic Church to Irish families! F**king hell...

holyhead

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

just to reiterate the seriousness of covering up a paedo priest's actions. A priest was moved from a rural village near me to a dublin parish as he was up to no good with some local kids, he then went on to be a full on rapist ...as in anal penetration. if he was dealt with initially a child would not have been raped.

It's a bit simplistic to say it wouldn't have happened. Bar a lifetime incarceration anything is possible with a paedophile. Btw not in anyway condoning any any action that assisted a paedophile in abusing.

Assuming the late Cardinal had a conscience then the guilt he felt over the abuse suffered at the hands of the Catholic Church is a greater sentence than any court could ever hand down due to negligence etc.

infogiver

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Anyone who believes in fairytales is not in touch with life

But it's only your own personal opinion that religion is a fairytale, it's not a fact, I don't know why you feel you have to repeat yourself as if it is a fact.
We're agreed that the Archbishop was not in touch with "life" as you put it and that as such he was unsuitable for the position he was in and should have been removed. This thread isn't about wether religion is a fairytale or not?

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infogiver

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Please don't apply the twisted norms of the Catholic Church to Irish families! F**king hell...

See. You are denying that over 90% of child sexual abuse occurs within the child's own home perpetrated by a close trusted family member or friend. There's no ****ing hell about it.

Dr Crayfish

infogiver wrote: »

See. You are denying that over 90% of child sexual abuse occurs within the child's own home perpetrated by a close trusted family member or friend. There's no ****ing hell about it.

What did I deny? This man tried to cover up child sexual abuse in a roundabout way, and you're trying to divert attention from this by telling us families in Ireland are secretly hiding child sex abuse cases.

infogiver

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Celibate men in dresses are completely out of touch with pretty much everything and anything to do with modern life.

They dont have to worry about a mortgage, losing a job, budgets, the stresses of family life, taxes, supporting a family, anything financial, etc...

I genuinely cant think of anyone more out of touch with modern life than a member of the clergy.

Well most priest do come from families (they're not orphans you know), they have parents and brothers and sisters and nieces and nephews and aunts and uncles and yes they do have to worry about a budget (more now so then ever before, less money coming in, a big crowd of elderly retired priests to be looked after etc). Did you think that there's some kind of money tree at the back of the presbyteries or something?
They have to pay car insurance and buy groceries and maintain properties like everyone else.
Also, honestly, outside of church services, when did you last see a priest wearing a dress?

donegaLroad

Imagine his life flashing before his eyes.

You can only imagine what sordid tales that will go with him.

infogiver

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

What did I deny? This man tried to cover up child sexual abuse in a roundabout way, and you're trying to divert attention from this by telling us families in Ireland are secretly hiding child sex abuse cases.

I'm not diverting attention from anything. The RCC were and continue to be wrong, I'm pointing out that it's become a common theme through big powerful organisations, and now the HSE are warning that hiding paedophiles in families is going to be the biggest scandal of them all. The bits of stories that DO make the media are only the top of the iceberg. It's a totally taboo subject. Look at yourself for how you've reacted to me mentioning it.

https://www.ispcc.ie/advice/advice/protecting-children-from-sexual-abuse-in-the-family/8930

The_Kew_Tour

Good riddance. No loss and was a disgrace what he did to cover up his actions.

A Priest in Mallow who died few years ago left €400,000 in his bank account. Hanged around with the big boys and was no more a priest..

In saying that have met some great Priests too and they are entitled to enjoy themselves, just dont preach what you cant practice.

54and56

infogiver wrote: »

This thread isn't about wether religion is a fairytale or not?

Until there is some evidence to the contrary it (and any other story in any other aspect of life) is.