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Cardinal Desmond Connell dead.

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Catholic Archbishop of Dublin Dr Diarmuid Martin said that Cardinal Connell, who had been ill for some time, passed away peacefully during the night in his sleep.
https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0221/854179-cardinal-desmond-connell-died/

Well for him - peaceful nights didn't come easily for some of his churches victims like Michael O'Brien for example!
https://youtu.be/2iQGczIx6Sg?t=2m

MOD WARNING: Usual rules apply; Criticisms of the man's life, actions and outcomes of said actions is fine but unfounded allegations are not.

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wakka12

Respect where respect is due. None deserved here.

kneemos

murpho999 wrote: »

I don't get why Boards.ie insist to be 'respectful' about dead people.

Firstly, dead people legally cannot be libelled.

Also, why should people who are broadly disrespected, such as criminals or dictators?

Finally reached the level of thought policing.

Laois_Man

Parchment wrote: »

The Vatican is hardly a beacon of good decision making.

That was kinda half my point!

razorblunt

Thankfully the title edit has now been removed. Some common sense applied, thanks.

kneemos

razorblunt wrote: »

Thankfully the title edit has now been removed. Some common sense applied, thanks.

The mob was gathering and stones were being collected.

DrumSteve

kneemos wrote: »

The mob was gathering and stones were being collected.

Dr Crayfish

What a waste of a life, wearing ridiculous costumes and preaching make believe.
On top of that he enabled paedos. Do priests get to have sex in heaven?

infogiver

Dr. Martin is a much more suitable Archbishop, completely in touch with modern life.
Archbishop Connells biggest problem was his total disconnect from reality. He was literally living in a bubble with no concept of reality.
When he was confronted with reality in the form of paedophile priests his automatic reaction was to deny the truth and to set about putting the genie back in the bottle.
The Vatican should have removed him from the position as soon as they realised he was not dealing with the issue.
But now we see that all kinds of big corporations including TUSLA HSE AGS BBC, C of E all did the same.
Currently we're all trying to pretend that families all over the country aren't hiding paedophiles within. Nobody wants to report an immediate family member because the family will be destroyed.

Dr Crayfish

infogiver wrote: »

Dr. Martin is a much more suitable Archbishop, completely in touch with modern life.

Anyone who believes in fairytales is not in touch with life

Dr Crayfish

infogiver wrote: »

Currently we're all trying to pretend that families all over the country aren't hiding paedophiles within. Nobody wants to report an immediate family member because the family will be destroyed.

Please don't apply the twisted norms of the Catholic Church to Irish families! F**king hell...

holyhead

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

just to reiterate the seriousness of covering up a paedo priest's actions. A priest was moved from a rural village near me to a dublin parish as he was up to no good with some local kids, he then went on to be a full on rapist ...as in anal penetration. if he was dealt with initially a child would not have been raped.

It's a bit simplistic to say it wouldn't have happened. Bar a lifetime incarceration anything is possible with a paedophile. Btw not in anyway condoning any any action that assisted a paedophile in abusing.

Assuming the late Cardinal had a conscience then the guilt he felt over the abuse suffered at the hands of the Catholic Church is a greater sentence than any court could ever hand down due to negligence etc.

infogiver

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Anyone who believes in fairytales is not in touch with life

But it's only your own personal opinion that religion is a fairytale, it's not a fact, I don't know why you feel you have to repeat yourself as if it is a fact.
We're agreed that the Archbishop was not in touch with "life" as you put it and that as such he was unsuitable for the position he was in and should have been removed. This thread isn't about wether religion is a fairytale or not?

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infogiver

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Please don't apply the twisted norms of the Catholic Church to Irish families! F**king hell...

See. You are denying that over 90% of child sexual abuse occurs within the child's own home perpetrated by a close trusted family member or friend. There's no ****ing hell about it.

Dr Crayfish

infogiver wrote: »

See. You are denying that over 90% of child sexual abuse occurs within the child's own home perpetrated by a close trusted family member or friend. There's no ****ing hell about it.

What did I deny? This man tried to cover up child sexual abuse in a roundabout way, and you're trying to divert attention from this by telling us families in Ireland are secretly hiding child sex abuse cases.

infogiver

....... wrote: »

Celibate men in dresses are completely out of touch with pretty much everything and anything to do with modern life.

They dont have to worry about a mortgage, losing a job, budgets, the stresses of family life, taxes, supporting a family, anything financial, etc...

I genuinely cant think of anyone more out of touch with modern life than a member of the clergy.

Well most priest do come from families (they're not orphans you know), they have parents and brothers and sisters and nieces and nephews and aunts and uncles and yes they do have to worry about a budget (more now so then ever before, less money coming in, a big crowd of elderly retired priests to be looked after etc). Did you think that there's some kind of money tree at the back of the presbyteries or something?
They have to pay car insurance and buy groceries and maintain properties like everyone else.
Also, honestly, outside of church services, when did you last see a priest wearing a dress?

donegaLroad

Imagine his life flashing before his eyes.

You can only imagine what sordid tales that will go with him.

infogiver

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

What did I deny? This man tried to cover up child sexual abuse in a roundabout way, and you're trying to divert attention from this by telling us families in Ireland are secretly hiding child sex abuse cases.

I'm not diverting attention from anything. The RCC were and continue to be wrong, I'm pointing out that it's become a common theme through big powerful organisations, and now the HSE are warning that hiding paedophiles in families is going to be the biggest scandal of them all. The bits of stories that DO make the media are only the top of the iceberg. It's a totally taboo subject. Look at yourself for how you've reacted to me mentioning it.

https://www.ispcc.ie/advice/advice/protecting-children-from-sexual-abuse-in-the-family/8930

The_Kew_Tour

Good riddance. No loss and was a disgrace what he did to cover up his actions.

A Priest in Mallow who died few years ago left €400,000 in his bank account. Hanged around with the big boys and was no more a priest..

In saying that have met some great Priests too and they are entitled to enjoy themselves, just dont preach what you cant practice.

54and56

infogiver wrote: »

This thread isn't about wether religion is a fairytale or not?

Until there is some evidence to the contrary it (and any other story in any other aspect of life) is.

RayCon

Seriously ? ....

respect
1.
a feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements.

2.
due regard for the feelings, wishes, or rights of others.

.... not a fcukin hope.

infogiver

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

Until there is some evidence to the contrary it (and any other story in any other aspect of life) is.

No that's just your opinion. In MY opinion, until you have some evidence that it IS just a fairytale, then an opinion is all you have.

eviltwin

infogiver wrote: »

I'm not diverting attention from anything. The RCC were and continue to be wrong, I'm pointing out that it's become a common theme through big powerful organisations, and now the HSE are warning that hiding paedophiles in families is going to be the biggest scandal of them all. The bits of stories that DO make the media are only the top of the iceberg. It's a totally taboo subject. Look at yourself for how you've reacted to me mentioning it.

https://www.ispcc.ie/advice/advice/protecting-children-from-sexual-abuse-in-the-family/8930

This is a thread about one of the most senior members of the Irish Catholic church who by his own admission facilitated the cover up of abuse and the protection of paedophiles. No one is denying that abuse is most likely to occur within the family but it's not relevant to this individual. You cannot compare a family possibly in denial wanting to protect their own with an organisation like the church deliberately obstructing justice, something they continue to do to this day.

Yourself isit

....... wrote: »

Celibate men in dresses are completely out of touch with pretty much everything and anything to do with modern life.

They dont have to worry about a mortgage, losing a job, budgets, the stresses of family life, taxes, supporting a family, anything financial, etc...

I genuinely cant think of anyone more out of touch with modern life than a member of the clergy.

So no single celebate politicians?

Ash.J.Williams

holyhead wrote: »

It's a bit simplistic to say it wouldn't have happened. Bar a lifetime incarceration anything is possible with a paedophile. Btw not in anyway condoning any any action that assisted a paedophile in abusing.

Assuming the late Cardinal had a conscience then the guilt he felt over the abuse suffered at the hands of the Catholic Church is a greater sentence than any court could ever hand down due to negligence etc.

a sentence or even reporting this abuse would have DEFINITELY prevented a rape. That is a fact.

Not sure what planet "guilt" supersedes the law.

Zubeneschamali

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This post has been deleted.

Many years ago, in the run-up to getting married, myself and my wife had to attend a church run course as preparation. A priest on the course tried to explain a household budget to the assembled couples, and it was sad. 18 year old kids knew more about household costs than he did.

infogiver

eviltwin wrote: »

This is a thread about one of the most senior members of the Irish Catholic church who by his own admission facilitated the cover up of abuse and the protection of paedophiles. No one is denying that abuse is most likely to occur within the family but it's not relevant to this individual. You cannot compare a family possibly in denial wanting to protect their own with an organisation like the church deliberately obstructing justice, something they continue to do to this day.

And I've given my opinion of O'Connell. I'm concerned that while we need to continue calling on RCC to check itself re clerical sex abuse, that not enough is being done in the media to highlight what amounts to 90%+ of child sex abuse. I don't know what you mean by a "family in denial". The ISPCC say that the child is believed in the vast majority of cases but it's decided within the family to keep it a secret.
There's a whole section of society out there who believe that only priests can be paedophiles, that all priests are paedophiles and that every male that is welcomed into the family home is completely benign.
That's the most worrying "denial".

54and56

infogiver wrote: »

But now we see that all kinds of big corporations including TUSLA HSE AGS BBC, C of E all did the same.

It is understandable but not forgivable that weak leadership in some organisations would seek to minimise publicity about a small number of paedophile. For an organisation which proclaims itself to be doing gods work and has a huge (relative to the norm in society) number of paedophiles in its ranks with an epidemic of paedophile activity going on to do the same isn't comparable. Someone trying to equate the situations is very alarming.

infogiver wrote: »

Currently we're all trying to pretend that families all over the country aren't hiding paedophiles within. Nobody wants to report an immediate family member because the family will be destroyed.

Who's trying to pretend? It must be a nightmare when a family discovers one of their own is a paedophile and has likely victimised another family member but family members report other family members all the time. They may not want to as in they would prefer if the situation didn't exist but your assertion that the country is populated with families hiding paedophiles is a completely made up and biased viewpoint designed to serve your own questionable motives.

holyhead

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

a sentence or even reporting this abuse would have DEFINITELY prevented a rape. That is a fact.

Not sure what planet "guilt" supersedes the law.

Guilt is a lifetime burden. A legal sentence has a finite term at least in Ireland.

eviltwin

infogiver wrote: »

And I've given my opinion of O'Connell. I'm concerned that while we need to continue calling on RCC to check itself re clerical sex abuse, that not enough is being done in the media to highlight what amounts to 90%+ of child sex abuse. I don't know what you mean by a "family in denial". The ISPCC say that the child is believed in the vast majority of cases but it's decided within the family to keep it a secret.
There's a whole section of society out there who believe that only priests can be paedophiles, that all priests are paedophiles and that every male that is welcomed into the family home is completely benign.
That's the most worrying "denial".

It's not relevant to this man. No one has said only priests abuse, no one has said lay people don't hurt children but it's got nothing to do with the actions of this individual. We can have a discussion about his legacy without bringing other irrelevant stuff into it can't we?