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Storm Doris - Wednesday PM/Thursday AM
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Doctor Shivering wrote: »Northern Ireland is 6 counties in Ulster
If we were part of the UK,there'd probably be a BBC IRL EAST ,BBC IRL West and a BBC IRL Munster with detailed forecasts after the regional news bulletin's specific to areas not covered in the national forecast
Those would be the forecasts people pay most attention to in that case
National forecasts especially our one with limited resources with extreme weather can only be reasonably expected to dwell on where the biggest audience's impacted are and in this case ,the extra consideration of where the storm was going to be when millions were commuting as opposed to sleeping
So, going by your peculiar logic, a national weather service upon issuing a national forecast, should completely ignore a less populated part of the country in favour of where the denser population resides? Sorry, I don't buy this argument at all. It makes no sense to me, and, to be frank, really just makes my point all the more strong. How much more 'resources' does RTE need to include the west in a national weather alert?
God give me strength. :rolleyes:
I have worked much of my life on nightshift duties, and let me tell you, there are a lot of us out there. Not everyone is asleep in the darkest hours. Truck drivers, shift workers, hospital staff etc, and I have yet to see the main roads, which are very exposed on this side of the country, totally quiet between the hours of 2 to 5am.New Moon
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Gaoth Laidir wrote: »When it comes to stats, you're one guy I ain't gonna argue with!
However, Met Éireann's charts do show much of the west to be the same or slightly higher on mean speeds, and substiantially higher on gusts, than the east.
But anyway, onwards and upwards to Ewan.
To be a totally anal pedant, that first map shows mean speeds over most of the west to be on par with, or less than those along the east coast. But I'll meet you halfway :P mean speeds are little higher over inland western regions than over inland eastern regions.New Moon
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Well if God gives you strength for the above rant,he may as well give me some too for every time I hear an over arching sense of entitlement expressed for resources that cannot be afforded,however meritedSo, going by your peculiar logic, a national weather service upon issuing a national forecast, should completely ignore a less populated part of the country in favour of where the denser population resides? Sorry, I don't buy this argument at all. It makes no sense to me, and, to be frank, really just makes my point all the more strong. How much more 'resources' does RTE need to include the west in a national weather alert? God give me strength. :rolleyes:
I have worked much of my life on nightshift duties, and let me tell you, there are a lot of us out there. Not everyone is asleep in the darkest hours. Truck drivers, shift workers, hospital staff etc, and I have yet to see the main roads, which are very exposed on this side of the country, totally quiet between the hours of 2 to 5am.
Well I suppose too you're entitled to think my logic peculiar ,you're entitled to your view
I live beside one of the busiest motorways in the country and you could hear a pin drop at 3am
It's a question of resources,the cost of airtime and priorities that determine the pointedness of broadcast forecasts similar to other public services
It was and always will be ever thus
Tonight's forecast did actually reference a warning for the west as there was room for that emphasis in the absence of the need for a more pressing emphasis elsewhere0 -
Also, your chart shows a snapshot of 925 winds at both midnight and 6 am. The peak of the winds in here in the west was between both these times.
Sorry, not sure why I didn't post the chart for 3 am. Here it is, for the record, followed by the 3 am chart from the 00Z run later that night (T+03hr). Note the deeper low centre in the 00Z run and 20-30-knot increase in winds getting into the west (85 kt versus 60 kt around Clew Bay). A big upgrade compared to the earlier 12Z run.
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A bit of a rant there indeed.So, going by your peculiar logic, a national weather service upon issuing a national forecast, should completely ignore a less populated part of the country in favour of where the denser population resides? Sorry, I don't buy this argument at all. It makes no sense to me, and, to be frank, really just makes my point all the more strong. How much more 'resources' does RTE need to include the west in a national weather alert? God give me strength. :rolleyes:
I have worked much of my life on nightshift duties, and let me tell you, there are a lot of us out there. Not everyone is asleep in the darkest hours. Truck drivers, shift workers, hospital staff etc, and I have yet to see the main roads, which are very exposed on this side of the country, totally quiet between the hours of 2 to 5am.
I don't think that was the claim in the first place and more importantly, weather at 8 or 9 am is going to be more disruptive and does deserve greater publicity on the media forecasts. There are other sources of weather info as provided by Met Éireann and others. Having a read of the Met Éireann forecasts would tell folks that more than just the east coast was going to be affected and that it would be during the night also.
There is a difference though when they neglect to talk about the severe weather forecast for one part of the country and do talk about it for another, on a national media broadcast. *In general* they do their best with meagre resources and high expectations on style, content, etc. but I believe they did mistakenly downplay or ignore the risk to other parts of the country.
One explanation for this was they were expecting something like the famed sting jet to hit. Were the forecasts ever really suggesting a proper localised sting jet?0 -
lucernarian wrote: »A bit of a rant there indeed.
I don't think that was the claim in the first place and more importantly, weather at 8 or 9 am is going to be more disruptive and does deserve greater publicity on the media forecasts. There are other sources of weather info as provided by Met Éireann and others. Having a read of the Met Éireann forecasts would tell folks that more than just the east coast was going to be affected and that it would be during the night also.
There is a difference though when they neglect to talk about the severe weather forecast for one part of the country and do talk about it for another, on a national media broadcast. *In general* they do their best with meagre resources and high expectations on style, content, etc. but I believe they did mistakenly downplay or ignore the risk to other parts of the country.
One explanation for this was they were expecting something like the famed sting jet to hit. Were the forecasts ever really suggesting a proper localised sting jet?
The jet stream wasn't really strong enough for a sting jet. Normally it would need to be near 200 knots, in this case it was "only" around 100 knots or less.
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mickmackey1 wrote: »Winds worse right now in Co Limerick than they were on Thursday morn!
Yep far more creaking in the roof timbers last night and it's still pretty horrid out there. March will be in like a baby lion by the looks of it
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Doctor Shivering wrote: »Well if God gives you strength for the above rant,he may as well give me some too for every time I hear an over arching sense of entitlement expressed for resources that cannot be afforded,however merited
Well I suppose too you're entitled to think my logic peculiar ,you're entitled to your view
I live beside one of the busiest motorways in the country and you could hear a pin drop at 3am
It's a question of resources,the cost of airtime and priorities that determine the pointedness of broadcast forecasts similar to other public services
It was and always will be ever thus
Tonight's forecast did actually reference a warning for the west as there was room for that emphasis in the absence of the need for a more pressing emphasis elsewhere
New Moon
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