Could Madeleine McCann still be found?

Spanish Eyes

Candie wrote: »

Is there really any need for the condescension?

Well I think so yes. Why do you think not?

I think it's better to communicate and agree and disagree respectfully.

dubstarr

I think if they hadnt of went out and left her,she would still be here.They made a conscious decision to go out and leave 3 babies alone.Thats it,it doesnt matter how she disappeared.It was ultimately down to her parents to protect her.

And they failed miserably.It lies wiht them,whatever happened to her.
And no one else.

dubstarr

I think if they hadnt of went out and left her,she would still be here.They made a conscious decision to go out and leave 3 babies alone.Thats it,it doesnt matter how she disappeared.It was ultimately down to her parents to protect her.

And they failed miserably.It lies wiht them,whatever happened to her.
And no one else.

dubstarr

I think if they hadnt of went out and left her,she would still be here.They made a conscious decision to go out and leave 3 babies alone.Thats it,it doesnt matter how she disappeared.It was ultimately down to her parents to protect her.

And they failed miserably.It lies with them,whatever happened to her.
And no one else.

dark crystal

ligerdub wrote: »

How did they get on?

They lost their appeal as far as I know. Lindy Chamberlain lost her appeals too.

They weren't silencing the police, as was stated, they took an action against a former detective who was trying to make money from the tragedy by inferring they were child killers.

If you were innocent of a crime you were being accused of, what would you do in the same situation?

jameorahiely

ligerdub wrote: »

How did they get on?

The policeman won

Spanish Eyes

ligerdub wrote: »

How did they get on?

Lost the Supreme Court Action I think today.

I suppose it's now to the ECJ or something!

Anyway, there have been many, many actions taken by the McCanns to date. All won (for monetary compensation) except this one. The one that really matters to them.

The Portuguese police were made out to be Neanderthals by the McCanns. But they didn't co-operate with them either. The apartment was over run by people before they called the police. And they had friends in high places too.

Something just doesn't sit right with me about this case. But anyway, I took off my rose tinted specs ten years ago now.

KKkitty

dark crystal wrote: »

Silence the police??

They were suing the Portuguese detective removed from the case for writing a book saying they were child killers.

You really don't understand why they might have an issue with him doing that?

Maybe the truth hurt them.

Spanish Eyes

Wonder will the Portuguese Taxpayer pay for the Supreme Court case?

I dunno.

Be interesting to see what happens there. I think McCann's lawyer might be peppering for payment now!

Although I have no doubt the McCanns will try a last shot at the ECJ or whatever it's called now. Although I don't believe they have the grounds anymore.

Would the ECJ, or ECHR take on a case involving a BOOK?

Answers on a postcard please.

And of course none of this is reported in MSM anymore. Anyway.

Sereneone

Where or when did Gonçalo Amaral write the parents killed their child ?

Lady is a tramp

tiredblondie wrote: »

Was the little girl from the Europa Cup match not identified shortly after?
And i think (from what i remember!), that she would have been too young too to be her....

Whisht! Away from this thread with your "facts" and "rational explanations" ... Conspiracy theories all the way!

ligerdub

Sereneone wrote: »

Where or when did Gonçalo Amaral write the parents killed their child ?

He didn't.

ligerdub

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Wonder will the Portuguese Taxpayer pay for the Supreme Court case?

I dunno.

Be interesting to see what happens there. I think McCann's lawyer might be peppering for payment now!

Although I have no doubt the McCanns will try a last shot at the ECJ or whatever it's called now. Although I don't believe they have the grounds anymore.

Would the ECJ, or ECHR take on a case involving a BOOK?

Answers on a postcard please.

And of course none of this is reported in MSM anymore. Anyway.

I think they splurged all that fundraising money on legal costs of suing the detectives in charge of investigating their child's disappearance and in keeping any bad stories out of the newspapers. Plus an expensive PR team, who became hired goons to coerce media outlets into harassing anybody who ever questioned the McCann's on the internet.

They've lost the appeal to a previous ruling and have almost certainly run out of cash to fund another one. They've got no chance nor the means to bring their case any further.

scamalert

Sereneone wrote: »

Where or when did Gonçalo Amaral write the parents killed their child ?

thats why detective won-free speech,and the one did release her own story of events so go figure.only what rather disturbing that given 7 parent group,they were last ones to see her,thus last friend who supposedly offered to check never bothered looking onto kids.Anyway portugese police told them not to go to media,this caused outburst when they did,and would been death sentence in coverage it got,on the other hand they were slow to respond,but given place,location no baby monitor ,for toddlers.would make anyone wonder.since if 7 adults with kids couldnt share nanny for the evening when drinking etc,place unlocked and blinds used as intrusion point even thou checked and debunked on the fact,given 2 entrances to property.

Sereneone

Exactly, ligerdub, he did not. In fact as far as I am aware his personal opinion has never been published or publically made known. His book is nothing more than a synopsis of the police files on an investigation which he was involved with. Written after he left the force and published once the case was shelved. Those same files which were publically made available by the PJ, as is the procedure in Portugal.

He has never called the McCanns "child killers".

Spanish Eyes

Sereneone wrote: »

Exactly, ligerdub, he did not. In fact as far as I am aware his personal opinion has never been published or publically made known. His book is nothing more than a synopsis of the police files on an investigation which he was involved with. Written after he left the force and published once the case was shelved. Those same files which were publically made available by the PJ, as is the procedure in Portugal.

He has never called the McCanns "child killers".

I don't think he did either. Instead he gave an account of the Portuguese police investigation, and counterpoint to the media frenzy and McCann luvvies in the UK who could see no wrong in what they did, leaving their kids alone like that.

And they called the Portuguese Police some awful things too.

Freedom of speech was one sided until this decision by the Portuguese Supreme Court.

All's fair in......

jameorahiely

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I don't think he did either. Instead he gave an account of the Portuguese police investigation, and counterpoint to the media frenzy and McCann luvvies in the UK who could see no wrong in what they did, leaving their kids alone like that.

And they called the Portuguese Police some awful things too.

Freedom of speech was one sided until this decision by the Portuguese Supreme Court.

All's fair in......

Didn't Kate say something like, she forgives the kidnapper but not the policeman

ligerdub

jameorahiely wrote: »

Didn't Kate say something like, she forgives the kidnapper but not the policeman

Something like that yeah.

Sereneone

She wrote he deserved to be miserable and feel fear. On the other hand she stated she could forgive the alleged abductor who she and her husband suggested was a paedophile or part of a paedophile gang.

jameorahiely

Portuguese Supreme Court has ruled the McCanns cannot sue Goncalo Amaral
The former detective who investigated the case published a book in 2008
He alleged parents of Madeleine McCann were involved in her disappearance
Gerry and Kate said they were 'extremely disappointed' by the ruling
They now face having to pay Mr Amaral's costs and could be sued themselves
But today a court ruled the claims are protected by freedom of expression laws

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4176546/Madeleine-McCann-s-parents-lose-appeal.html

Spanish Eyes

There was a post about Karma here recently wasn't there?

mikeoneilly

it seemed at times from their manner that they already knew what had happened and were merely going through the motions in looking did her.

its a wonder they've stayed together.

darced

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C. Montgomery Gurns

Christ I just read the Wiki page on the disappearance. Wikipedia is normally fairly neutral and even handed but **** me the McCann's themselves must have wrote it. Stating that they were the subject of "false allegations" as if this had been proven beyond doubt.

ligerdub

Don't be surprised to find it has been watched like a hawk by their PR team.

redshoes15

If my child was missing overseas I couldn't/wouldn't leave that country without her, even if named as a suspect in that disappearance. If my child was missing and I was totally innocent regarding harm coming to her/him I would not 'no comment' an interview, regardless of solicitor advice. If my child was missing I would expect my friends to assist the police in any way possible, not build a wall of silence as the 'Tapas 9' did. If my child was missing I would not wash his/her favourite cuddle toy the day after his/her disappearance. Something about this case stank from day 1. Are the parents responsible for whatever happened to the child? Absolutely yes. No parent/guardian leaves numerous children in apartments while they go on the piss, no matter how often they were 'checked'. I was and still am astounded that NONE of these parents were charged with something in regards to child abandonment. Will Madeline Mc Cann ever be found? I have no idea. Then again I'm not a doctor in the know or above the law...

badabing106

Nothing has changed since six years ago when Team Mcann sued Goncalo Amaral using the finest lawyers available.

This was the statement from the chief inspector of the Madeleine McCann case and the conclusion of the entire investigation. He was confronted in court , when team McCann took a lawsuit against a book written by one of its leading investigators.




Wednesday January 13,2010

Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida told the court that he believed the couple, from Rothley, Leicestershire, were directly involved in Madeleine’s disappearance – a theory he said was shared by Portuguese and British officers working on the case.


He said: “The conclusion that was arrived at was that Madeleine McCann died at the apartment and the McCann couple simulated the abduction to hide the fact that they had not taken care of their children.

“There was a tragic accident in the apartment that night and they neglected the care of their children. It was the conclusion of both Portuguese and British police. We have always spoken of a tragic accidental death. There was no homicide.”



Asked if he thought Madeleine was dead, Mr de Almeida replied: “Yes. She is dead. It was not only the police who believed this but the public prosecutor. The McCanns did not kill her but they concealed the body.”

Mr de Almeida was giving evidence on behalf of his former colleague Goncalo Amaral who is seeking to overturn a ban on the book he wrote about the Madeleine case entitled Maddie: The Truth Of The Lie.



The detective described the book as a “true history of the facts”. He said: “Goncalo Amaral was very careful to come to this conclusion with the facts.”

Luis Neves, the head of Portugal’s anti-terrorism unit, told the court they had employed a British profiler who gave him the impression that the McCanns were guilty of involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance.
Mr de Almeida said their suspicions about the couple appeared to be confirmed when sniffer dogs found traces of blood and the smell of death at the McCanns’ holiday apartment.
One of the dogs was in a nervous, excitable state and wanted to get into the room, said Mr de Almeida.

He said: “Inside the apartment there were two places where the dogs gave a sign. One was in the bedroom, the other was in the dining room.
“It was also found in the McCanns’ new apartment on a piece of clothing and in the rental car.”

Asked if it was the dog’s reaction that led police to make the McCanns formal suspects in the investigation, he said: “No, they were already suspected of simulating a kidnapping and concealing the body.”

Boggy Turf

Poor kid. This story always makes me sad. I hope they find out what happened to her.

Mountainsandh

I really don't want to read the thread as it'll be the same old same old McCann gossip and bashing, but for balance I'll give my opinion. I have always thought and I still do that the McCanns had nothing to do with her disappearance other than their dreadful initial mistake of leaving the kids alone in the flat. It pains me to read comments online about them while they have consistently brought the case back up into the media, despite the amount of hate spouted against them.

I think and I hope for them that Madeleine may be found some day, alive or dead. I think because of the eye thing, sadly it's more than likely her little body that might be detected somewhere, but you never know, don't you, look at the German and American cases of abductees that have come to light in the last two decades.
I wish the parents well and I wish them closure.