Could Madeleine McCann still be found?

infogiver

XsApollo wrote: »

Any thoughts yourself on what happened infogiver?

I think she awoke and wandered. I'm unfollowing this thread now because a poster obsessed with an irrational obsession with this case has landed and it's pointless. Bye.

XsApollo

Bye

happyoutscan

We've been to Luz 3 times over the last few years and each time I've taken an evening stroll by the apartment where the McCanns stayed. It's a horrible thing to think of what may or may not have happened.

One thing has always struck me though. The apartment the McCanns had was in a location that would have been wuite very easy for someone to get in and out, its a dark enough area with a few narrow lanes near enough by. If you knew the area you'd be able to get away.

Incidentally, the first time we were there we arrived (about 3 years ago) when they were starting another dig on some rough ground.

maebee

infogiver wrote: »

I think she awoke and wandered. I'm unfollowing this thread now because a poster obsessed with an irrational obsession with this case has landed and it's pointless. Bye.

You involved yourself in a discussion about a topic and because you don't like an opposite opinion, you bailed out. Very strange. P.S. read the Official Files on the case. Educate yourself.

tupenny

XsApollo wrote: »

I read a lot into this and all the evidence
On that Madeline file website a few years ago.
I am convinced they killed her.
They were definatley sedating her and I think she passed away while sedated that night and they tried to cover it.
Gerry is probably the driver behind the cover up and his wife followed.
Just their demeanour in interviews and stuff doesn't sit right with me.
I don't think Kate is the bad person here ,
I think he is.

I can't really remember specifics now, but the night before didn't the upstairs resident say she could hear a child crying for mammy and daddy for a good while.
How the hell you could leave a child like that is beyond me.

The next night they sedated her and the rest followed.
The cadaver dog signalling in the hire car also.

I think the overdose is the most plausible explanation.

100% agree. And there was zero evidence of an intrusion. There was no abductor. Zero evidence of 1..
Was them imo 😔

donkeykong5

Langerous wrote: »

donkeykong5 wrote:

Thats not a very nice comment. Just look at her mother's face. She has aged so much.

Guilt

Grief. Heartbreak. Devastion. ?

Boardz Fiend

roysh1 wrote: »

What do you guys make of this? This guy is involved in statement analysis and it's his "professional opinion" that Kate and Gerry McCann know what really happened to Madeline. Skip to around 26:00 as this is when he begins his actual analysis.

https://youtu.be/iWQTiXFmyoM

Good link, the guys method of analysing the McCanns language is fascinating. I think he makes a strong case.
Ive seen similar stuff about the McCanns body language & it is hard to ignore certain aspects of it.

twill

Sadly, I think she's another statistic and is no longer alive.

There is very little indication as to what happened. No proof of an abduction - though if the door of the apartment was unlocked, someone could have been in and out in a few seconds without leaving any physical evidence - and any evidence that the parents were involved is purely circumstantial.

That said, the thing that I think is most shocking about the case is that the parents reportedly insisted on publicising Madeline's eye defect though they were pointedly advised not to. A member of the Portugese police maintained that he told them the consequence would be the kidnapper, if there was one, would find it too dangerous to keep her alive. (More here. The link is to a site of rabid believers in the McCanns' guilt, but the information appears to be valid.)

ligerdub

infogiver wrote: »

Well 2 police forces from 2 different jurisdictions have spent 10 years investigating this case and have found no evidence of any of your allegations but don't let that stop you from your wild baseless speculation

Not true.

Jack the Stripper

There is always hope.

Billy86

It's awful to say but it's the truth of it, Madeleine McCain is and for years has been a just a decaying bag of bones in an unmarked grave or under the sea. Once the media attention got on and persisted, I'd be amazed if she was alive even a year after her disappearance. Absolutely horrible what happened to that girl, and kind of scarier that we'll never know what it was beyond it not being in any way good.

ligerdub

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Jesus Christ I hope you never get called for Jury duty!
I still can't understand why anyone thinks the parents had anything to do with it, ridiculous.

It's absolutely not ridiculous. Even a rudimentary look-up of the case would tell you that much.

JustAThought

Funny - I only reread the book & finished it yesterday & found it all so chilling - anyone interested should read it. Apart from the repeated leading dog handler signals to the dog, that were videod at the time, the high failure rate, its repeated signals for the other cars too ( unsensational so not dragged up in the redtops) & the fact that the car was hired three full weeks after she dissappeared ; there are some really bone chilling things in it.

Like the British consular & british travel agenies had had emergency meetings with the local portugese police because of the large number of child sexual assaults on tourist children the past year on the algarve. That holiday makers from Britain had had breakins in their rented appartments where their british children were molested in their beds or had woken up to find a man in their bedroom ... None of which made the news ever - this was a year before Madeleine dissappeared - a big portugese tourist insustry protection coverup.

Or that two seperate children, both portugese, had been seperately abducted less than an hour from the resort -again a year prior to Madeleine dissappearing - and are silently still missing & one of the children had been investigated by the same poetugese cop who was convicted for breach of duty & who was part of the year later McCann inquiry - there was never a whiff of this in the papers due to that investigation & his disciplinary issues being before the courts.

The other chilling fact was that there were several known convicted paedophiles living in the area - over 30 - unbelievably . And that although the police eventually got around to checking their appartments & noted ' no sign of the minor' in their relorts no statements were taken for the investigation, nor were they asked on put on the investigation report as saying where they were, nor gave statements nor alibis for that night. Unbelievable.

Finally - & I could go on all night it was so horrifying, like the monster Jimmy Saville , there was another since outed notorious british paedophile who had a walled villa less than half a km up from the McCanns appartment - literally two roads away. He was not home that night but staying for a few days in his villa wrre two other brothers, one a known convicted paedophile from the USA. They fit the photo-fit of two of the men seen acting suspiciously in the days before the abduction near the holiday club & appartments. Another 'friend' of theirs is another convicted paedophile - their friendship goes back 20 years - & internet searches have utterly awful things about him & child abduction & child sex circles operating - like the Belgian one where those poor little girls were kept in a dungeon dug by a paedophile in his garden for years while being 'exploited' - read tortured & raped by pay-for-sex paedophiles in the city of Belgium.

The whole series of events is so bone chilling it would put fear of holudaying in the Algarve into a stone. And amidst all of this is the reality that these child rapists had, and have, the run of this part of the Algarve & we nor anyone know anything about it, it is never the routine part of any everyday media article. And unlike in California where Megans Law states that all rapists & paediphiles must have their name, address, photo, sex crimes & address registered online & available on maps online where their houses are marked with red stars, here & in Europe we gave no idea who these convicted child rapists are because of the lobbyists protecting their 'rights' and until a system like thus is brought in - particularly here in Ireland which has the laxest policing of paedophiles and child rapists in Europe, no family or child is safe.

We need to protest to stop protecting criminals & child rapists & set up a system such as Megans Law here in Ireland.

God help that poor family & that poor little stolen child.

ligerdub

What book?

pilly

Hrududu wrote: »

If that's the same story I'm thinking of that was a case where the father kidnapped his son.

No, this was a baby who was stolen from a hospital and brought up by a woman as her own. Very sad story all round really.

Not that I think Madeline was taken by a another mother but she could have been taken for darker reasons and still be alive.

AnthonyCny

The Irish man who saw a man holding a child running from the area where the McCanns were staying.

Same Irish man was watching on TV the McCanns coming off the plane in England when they returned. Gerry was carrying one of the other children. He instantly recognised the way he was carrying the child.

It was the same man who he had saw running from the scene that night with the child.

Riddle101

Stranger things have happened. I've read stories of people going missing and turning up years later. I guess it's really just wishful thinking at this point, but without knowing the truth about what happened to her, we can't possibly know.

pilly

AnthonyCny wrote: »

The Irish man who saw a man holding a child running from the area where the McCanns were staying.

Same Irish man was watching on TV the McCanns coming off the plane in England when they returned. Gerry was carrying one of the other children. He instantly recognised the way he was carrying the child.

It was the same man who he had saw running from the scene that night with the child.

So now Gerry was running from the scene with Madeline alive in his arms? Why exactly?

AnthonyCny

pilly wrote: »

So now Gerry was running from the scene with Madeline alive in his arms? Why exactly?

I didn't say she was alive

tiredblondie

Was the little girl from the Europa Cup match not identified shortly after?
And i think (from what i remember!), that she would have been too young too to be her....

wakka12

prinzeugen wrote: »

I have said from day one, mummy knows more than she is letting on.

A few days after the alleged abduction, she gave a look at a press conference that reminded me of that ginger one that claimed her boyfriend was killed in a road rage incident when it was her all along.

The OTT media coverage set alarm bells ringing as well.

Can we please use facts to make opinions . People have different personalities and different behaviours. personally I dislike making eye contact with people in normal conversation even , Im sure if I was accused of committing a crime you'd think I was guilty due to the fact that I don't make a lot of eye contact. Not everyone reacts the same way and as such body language cannot and should not be used in law

jameorahiely

JustAThought wrote: »

Funny - I only reread the book & finished it yesterday & found it all so chilling - anyone interested should read it. Apart from the repeated leading dog handler signals to the dog, that were videod at the time, the high failure rate, its repeated signals for the other cars too ( unsensational so not dragged up in the redtops) & the fact that the car was hired three full weeks after she dissappeared ; there are some really bone chilling things in it.

Like the British consular & british travel agenies had had emergency meetings with the local portugese police because of the large number of child sexual assaults on tourist children the past year on the algarve. That holiday makers from Britain had had breakins in their rented appartments where their british children were molested in their beds or had woken up to find a man in their bedroom ... None of which made the news ever - this was a year before Madeleine dissappeared - a big portugese tourist insustry protection coverup.

Or that two seperate children, both portugese, had been seperately abducted less than an hour from the resort -again a year prior to Madeleine dissappearing - and are silently still missing & one of the children had been investigated by the same poetugese cop who was convicted for breach of duty & who was part of the year later McCann inquiry - there was never a whiff of this in the papers due to that investigation & his disciplinary issues being before the courts.

The other chilling fact was that there were several known convicted paedophiles living in the area - over 30 - unbelievably . And that although the police eventually got around to checking their appartments & noted ' no sign of the minor' in their relorts no statements were taken for the investigation, nor were they asked on put on the investigation report as saying where they were, nor gave statements nor alibis for that night. Unbelievable.

Finally - & I could go on all night it was so horrifying, like the monster Jimmy Saville , there was another since outed notorious british paedophile who had a walled villa less than half a km up from the McCanns appartment - literally two roads away. He was not home that night but staying for a few days in his villa wrre two other brothers, one a known convicted paedophile from the USA. They fit the photo-fit of two of the men seen acting suspiciously in the days before the abduction near the holiday club & appartments. Another 'friend' of theirs is another convicted paedophile - their friendship goes back 20 years - & internet searches have utterly awful things about him & child abduction & child sex circles operating - like the Belgian one where those poor little girls were kept in a dungeon dug by a paedophile in his garden for years while being 'exploited' - read tortured & raped by pay-for-sex paedophiles in the city of Belgium.

The whole series of events is so bone chilling it would put fear of holudaying in the Algarve into a stone. And amidst all of this is the reality that these child rapists had, and have, the run of this part of the Algarve & we nor anyone know anything about it, it is never the routine part of any everyday media article. And unlike in California where Megans Law states that all rapists & paediphiles must have their name, address, photo, sex crimes & address registered online & available on maps online where their houses are marked with red stars, here & in Europe we gave no idea who these convicted child rapists are because of the lobbyists protecting their 'rights' and until a system like thus is brought in - particularly here in Ireland which has the laxest policing of paedophiles and child rapists in Europe, no family or child is safe.

We need to protest to stop protecting criminals & child rapists & set up a system such as Megans Law here in Ireland.

God help that poor family & that poor little stolen child.

Who is it you're referring to in the bolded bit? Not Joanna, whose mother and uncle admitted killing as she had seen them having sex, the mother who falsely accused the cops if torture, but it was proven not to have happened.

It can't be her, can you tell us who this refers to?

scamalert

roysh1 wrote: »

What do you guys make of this? This guy is involved in statement analysis and it's his "professional opinion" that Kate and Gerry McCann know what really happened to Madeline. Skip to around 26:00 as this is when he begins his actual analysis.

https://youtu.be/iWQTiXFmyoM

good link,most concerning part is at 1h39min,no sane parent would describe or answer that question in such manner-if she had an accident how could we get rid of the body,when it could be done etc ? seriously whole interview in that video points to smth going very wrong and parents taking drastic actions to cover up,the whole description on how they kept taking places to look after kids,and sudden jump to kidnapping with this broad curtains blew open,so if window was closed they prob wouldn't noticed that till next day according the way story is told.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

There are some really disgraceful posts on here. No one knows what happened to Madeleine McCann but we have armchair detectives making serious and slanderous accusations about her parents based on: the way Kate looked at the camera, something a journalist told them, because Gerry looks like a sociopath, because Kate reminds them of someone else who abducted a child.....

This isn't an episode of Lewis. It's a real life tragedy, no one knows where Madeleine is, and making up theories about her parents is cruel and vindictive. Yes, they made a huge error in leaving her alone, but that doesn't make them murderers.

The people enjoying publicly expressing their unfounded and damaging opinions for all to read should have a long hard look at themselves.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

You don't have to read the thread or agree with posts, but at this stage I think it's fair enough to put forward some credible theories as to what happened.

And I didn't call anyone a psycho, read the post carefully.

No, it's not. These are real people you're publicly accusing of committing a terrible crime, based on nothing but hunches and newspaper gossip.

Spanish Eyes

Delaney Flat Insecticide wrote: »

No, it's not. These are real people you're publicly accusing of committing a terrible crime, based on nothing but hunches and newspaper gossip.

Where in my post did I accuse anyone of a crime. Total neglect yes which I think everyone agrees with.

Gadgetman496

Delaney Flat Insecticide wrote: »

There are some really disgraceful posts on here. No one knows what happened to Madeleine McCann but we have armchair detectives making serious and slanderous accusations about her parents based on: the way Kate looked at the camera, something a journalist told them, because Gerry looks like a sociopath, because Kate reminds them of someone else who abducted a child.....

This isn't an episode of Lewis. It's a real life tragedy, no one knows where Madeleine is, and making up theories about her parents is cruel and vindictive. Yes, they made a huge error in leaving her alone, but that doesn't make them murderers.

The people enjoying publicly expressing their unfounded and damaging opinions for all to read should have a long hard look at themselves.

Incorrect.

SteM

Delaney Flat Insecticide wrote: »

No, it's not. These are real people you're publicly accusing of committing a terrible crime, based on nothing but hunches and newspaper gossip.

Indeed. Someone doesn’t understand the meaning of the word 'credible theory'. I don't understand how someone can go on a public forum and post a 'credible theory' that the mother or father disposed of the body without a shred of real evidence. People don't realise that if the Portuguese police could charge the father or mother that they would do without hesitation. This way this whole case was conducted has been a huge embarrassment for them.

I remember why I stopped reading Madeline McCann threads, it's a subject that seems to bring out the crazy and irrational in some people.

SteM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Where in my post did I accuse anyone of a crime. Total neglect yes which I think everyone agrees with.

Your 'credible theory' where you say that the father or mother disposed of their own child's body was disgusting imo.

c68zapdsm5i1ru

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

Incorrect.

Apart, obviously, from the person/s who took her.