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Fight Time From 4am-McGregor vs MayweatherMOD Warning in 1st Post

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So, this is looking more likely to be on the cards sooner rather than later...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/38591420

Any opinion on who would win this potential fight?

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hbhook

I expect for the sky to turn red and the four horsemen to appear if CMcG beats Floyd Mayweather.

akelly02

I'm starting to think it could actually happen that he knocks mayweather out..I'm goin mad ted

StringerBell

scudzilla wrote: »

When Conor wins this what sort of excuses will the boxing experts here be coming out with? Serious question, i believe Conor will win in 2, i just want to be forewarned of the excuses

Is boxing experts supposed to elicit a wind up in posters here?

Would you be riled up in the MMA forum by being posed a question as an "MMA Expert" or in the Cork forum as a "Cork Expert"?

Or is it just supposed to be passive aggressive confrontational crap?

I ask because you have posed a "serious question" either in an insulting way in your mind, or a confrontational way in your mind. What is the merit of either approach?

You don't need to be forewarned, there will be no excuses. Not a staph infection in sight

ThinkProgress

walshb wrote: »

I didn't get that in the clip...

He could barely get a boxer's name out of his mouth when asked who he admired...

Well, obviously he has been fairly obsessed with MMA for quite a while now... Because that's where he makes his bread.

But, I just don't buy into this idea that he disrespects the sport of boxing (unlike some of his fanboy followers)... I could quite easily see him walking away from MMA completely, if he had a dispute with Dana/UFC. That's a huge part of the reason why this fight is happening... he wants more control over his career, and larger earnings! Boxing gives him both!

The UFC markets itself as an alternative to boxing... superior to boxing. This is why you get so many blow-in/casual fans disrespecting boxing. They see MMA as the future of combat sports, and boxing as the past. But I don't think Conor sees it that way... Quite the opposite actually... I think he sees that there are very few huge fights left for him in the UFC, because there really is a lack of credible big name contenders, that could sell huge PPV numbers.

Boxing potentially has more of those huge paydays... so I think he'll go where the gravy train is!

I think he really needs to train full time in boxing, if wants any hope of sustaining some kind of run in the sport. Training and competing in two different sports, just won't work imo! (but perhaps he just wants 1 or 2 more huge paydays, and then he'll ride off into the sunset with his big pot of gold)

walshb

12gauge dave wrote: »

The lack of respect for boxing at the highest level is what has suprised me most in the lead up to this.

As well as a clear ignorance and not not having much clue about what is needed in the sport to be great, or in Conor's case even half decent!

It's clear because people are actually using as a reason for their McGregor KO pick: He's so confident...

You press them a little on it and nothing comes back..

You even remind them what the situation is and still, "yeh, but he's so confident."

It's absolute bonkers stuff...

Mellor

ThinkProgress wrote: »

Boxing potentially has more of those huge paydays... so I think he'll go where the gravy train is!

I really don't think it does tbh. There was only ever 1 payday. This interlude is a Mayweather venture, not a boxing venture.
Sure top boxers get paid more than top MMA fighters generally. But Conor is a outlier within MMA, among the highest earning sports stars in the world. Who earned more last year in the UFC than Canelo - the highest earner in boxing.
Mayweather money is in its own stratosphere. And was the only fight that would have made this happen.

The Nal

12gauge dave wrote: »

The lack of respect for boxing at the highest level is what has suprised me most in the lead up to this.

A lot of people don't understand the difference. They just think its all "fighting".

Sweet Science

There is no other fight in boxing that will make it worthwhile for him . Dont forget UFC take a big cut aswel . Mayweather was the only one that made sense

Plus after this fight there probably wont be any appetite to see him box again.

Danzy

Sweet Science wrote: »

There is no other fight in boxing that will make it worthwhile for him . Dont forget UFC take a big cut aswel . Mayweather was the only one that made sense

Plus after this fight there probably wont be any appetite to see him box again.

McGregor brought the UFC and Dana White on board with this fight, he could have done reduced them to an also ran but there is enough fat to go around and it surely will be expected to be returned when it goes back to the MMA.

I wouldn't be surprised if we see McGregor running/owning (a share anyway) the UFC in years to come.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman

Danzy wrote: »

McGregor brought the UFC and Dana White on board with this fight, he could have done reduced them to an also ran but there is enough fat to go around and it surely will be expected to be returned when it goes back to the MMA.

I wouldn't be surprised if we see McGregor running/owning (a share anyway) the UFC in years to come.

Now McGregor's going to run the UFC ..

Just after he Ko's Floyd right?

Sweet Science

Danzy wrote: »

McGregor brought the UFC and Dana White on board with this fight, he could have done reduced them to an also ran but there is enough fat to go around and it surely will be expected to be returned when it goes back to the MMA.

I wouldn't be surprised if we see McGregor running/owning (a share anyway) the UFC in years to come.

No . They brought him on board for this fight . He is their employee and contracted to them.

StringerBell

Danzy wrote: »

McGregor brought the UFC and Dana White on board with this fight, he could have done reduced them to an also ran but there is enough fat to go around and it surely will be expected to be returned when it goes back to the MMA.

I wouldn't be surprised if we see McGregor running/owning (a share anyway) the UFC in years to come.

That's just not true though, McGregor could not have this event without express permission and support from the UFC.

I would think there are some sort of rules preventing him from having shares in the company while competing but open to correction, when he retires? Sure, they often give jobs to former employees

As of now he is an employee of the UFC and they are taking their share of his purse in this event they allowed him to participate in.

The Nal

The UFC has officially nothing to do with this fight. The NAC meeting today re the glove size, ref, judges etc is also about UFC being an official co promoter of the fight. Always amazed me how late they leave these things. Neither boxer has been even granted a license yet.

As it stands, Mayweather Promotions is the only official promoter. If UFC are granted co promotion - which will happen - they'll pay McGregor. Not the other way around. UFC only filed their application last week.

Mellor

Sweet Science wrote: »

No . They brought him on board for this fight . He is their employee and contracted to them.

No he isn't.
It's a boxing match, and as such it falls under the remit of the Ali act.

walshb

Mellor wrote: »

No he isn't.
It's a boxing match, and as such it falls under the remit of the Ali act.

I think so. He is a licenced boxer now, so the Ali act should protect him in seeking a boxing match with another licenced boxer, or similar to that set up.

All depends on the UFC contract and how much influence and control it has over Conor, and can the UFC contract outweigh the boxing licence...

All wheeling and dealing really....sure what else would it be with pro boxing.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman

Mellor wrote: »

No he isn't.
It's a boxing match, and as such it falls under the remit of the Ali act.

Whats all the bluster about his UFC contract not allowing him to fight outside of the UFC without their consent? A contract regarding the $$ had to be drawn up with the UFC to allow him to fight Mayweather as far as I could make out but nothing is very clear with the UFC with regards to contracts and money.

Sweet Science

Mellor wrote: »

No he isn't.
It's a boxing match, and as such it falls under the remit of the Ali act.

So he could fight Floyd without the permission of the UFC ?

The Nal

Sweet Science wrote: »

So he could fight Floyd without the permission of the UFC ?

No. He has 4 fights left on his UFC contract.

Although Im sure he could've pulled it off, just with difficulty.

Mellor

walshb wrote: »

I think so. He is a licenced boxer now, so the Ali act should protect him in seeking a boxing match with another licenced boxer, or similar to that set up.

All depends on the UFC contract and how much influence and control it has over Conor, and can the UFC contract outweigh the boxing licence...

All wheeling and dealing really....sure what else would it be with pro boxing.

It's not just the licence though, it's a federal act. Cant imagine any contract allows the UFC to break federal laws. I believe he could have flew sole if he wanted to.

But said, if Conor did try to do it solo. There's a chance some futile legal proceedings from the UFC would tie it up long enough to let the window close. And he'd definitely get shafted in his MMA career.

He used the Ali act as a bargaining chip in negotiations. But it makes sense to let them have their share, in order to maintain future prospects imo.

walshb

Mellor wrote: »

It's not just the licence though, it's a federal act. Cant imagine any contract allows the UFC to break federal laws. I believe he could have flew sole if he wanted to.

I am with you, but these acts are federal in name a lot of the time. When it comes to enforcing them that is when there are issues and loopholes and arguments and deals being done...

There is always ambiguity where laws and acts are. Some have a ridiculous amount of ambiguity, and reading up on the Ali Act tells me that...

Conor at present looks to be in a good position as regards his licences and the Ali Act..

Sweet Science

Mellor wrote: »

It's not just the licence though, it's a federal act. Cant imagine any contract allows the UFC to break federal laws. I believe he could have flew sole if he wanted to.

But said, if Conor did try to do it solo. There's a chance some futile legal proceedings from the UFC would tie it up long enough to let the window close. And he'd definitely get shafted in his MMA career.

He used the Ali act as a bargaining chip in negotiations. But it makes sense to let them have their share, in order to maintain future prospects imo.

Yes so in other words they allowed Conor to box in return for a hefty chunk of his cut.

Mellor

Sweet Science wrote: »

So he could fight Floyd without the permission of the UFC ?

In a nutshell:

Section 10 of the Ali Act states that no promoter is permitted to have a contract with a boxer that has clauses preventing the boxer from participating in a professional boxing match against another boxer under contract.

Erik Shin

I see Pacman doesn't rate McGregor's chances too much

Sweet Science

He still came to an agreement with the UFC for this boxing match . Technically he didnt get their permission but come on we all know this wouldnt have happened without their say so.

walshb

Erik Shin wrote: »

I see Pacman doesn't rate McGregor's chances too much

Some MMA/Conor fans will interpret that as him being a hater!

Outlaw Pete

Dana & Co see this as more than just what is made in cash terms......... as it's being used as a launching pad for Zuffa Boxing.

Two posts from today alone:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BX1-W2cAz76/
https://twitter.com/TheNotoriousMMA/status/897728692633444352

Sweet Science

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Dana & Co see this as more than just what is made in cash terms......... as it's being used as a launching pad for Zuffa Boxing.

Two posts from today alone:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BX1-W2cAz76/
https://twitter.com/TheNotoriousMMA/status/897728692633444352

I cant access the link but they are loking to get into boxing ?

[Deleted User]

Does anyone know approx how many seats are sold for the upcoming fight so far?

Mellor

Sweet Science wrote: »

Yes so in other words they allowed Conor to box in return for a hefty chunk of his cut.

No. They legally can't prevent him from signing a contract to fight anyone in boxing.
I'm saying he cut them in as it made sense not to railroad his MMA career (where the Act doesn't apply)

Sweet Science

Mellor wrote: »

No. They legally can't prevent him from signing a contract to fight anyone in boxing.
I'm saying he cut them in as it made sense not to railroad his MMA career (where the Act doesn't apply)

I think its naive to think the fight could/would of happened without him coming to an agreement with the UFC. Conor wouldnt of been willing to railroad his MMA career for an extra 50million ? They also would of dragged this thorugh the legal system out of spite and dragged it out for years . Conor knew they would play hardball if he tried cut them out so had no option but to come to an agreement