GerryDerpy wrote: » Of course, there are too many Ifs and Buts.
Sweet Science wrote: » If and buts to what ?
GerryDerpy wrote: » To building the picture of why walshb should re-evaluate his opinion on McGregor as a boxer. I agree he would have to base that evaluation on facts of the fight, rather than listing out caveats.
Sweet Science wrote: » True . In fairness though , it is perfectly normal right now to have his view until proved wrong.
GerryDerpy wrote: » I agree with you on that.
Sweet Science wrote: » If he gets battered and KOs Floyd i will give him all the credit he deserves tbh
walshb wrote: » Yes, but as a pro boxer how do you assess him?
walshb wrote: » If Conor scores the KO and ends this, but pre KO he looks very very ordinary, what evaluation do we do? There are scenarios here.... The scenario above is nothing really. Very very average and happened to land the big shot... Are we meant to proclaim him some sort of worthy pro boxer? Now, let's say for some bonkers reason that he looks slick, sharp, in control and looking like a fluid boxer who is controlling the fight and holding his own-winning against a Mayweather who is not some crock of sh1t hobbling around the ring....I guess we can only evaluate that as him being a freak who was hiding his talents from the world..... Then I think we all wake up!
Sweet Science wrote: » Yeah i know the point you are making but i will forget about this as soon as its done . Wouldnt bother assessing him as he will be straight back to the UFC after
GerryDerpy wrote: » He won't look like a slick boxer in my opinion. He will look like a martial artist that is only throwing punches. If that works for him (KO) and no other freak event happens (Floyd slips on a banana etc) then McGregor is a genius and one of the Worlds greatest sportsman ever.
The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: » I wonder. Why would he bother going back? €75million in the bank. He'd have to fight 20 times in the UFC to even come close to that amount. He's got his health and his wits about him. Would be madness to go back really.
Sweet Science wrote: » I do not believe there is any chance at all of it happening . But if it did i agree with you as i've said many times
Sweet Science wrote: » He is contracted to the UFC so he cant even if he wanted to . Plus there is no other boxing fight that would come close to this commercially
The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: » I wonder. Why would he bother going back?
JaMarcusHustle wrote: » Maybe he enjoys it? Maybe he likes having fights to train for, having lots of attention, and competing in a sport that he undoubtedly loves. It's easy for fans to say people should retire now that they've made enough money, or if they're past it and in danger of tainting their legacy - maybe they just want to keep playing the sport they enjoy playing.
walshb wrote: » Pete IMO is and has been playing two sides of the fence here. He is more than just hoping Conor wins, he believes that he can, and in selling this he is kind of dismissing and insulting the science that is pro boxing, and the scientist that is Floyd Mayweather. I think this because of the way Pete reacts when certain points are rightfully shot to bits..... He is either deliberately dismissing the skill/science of pro boxing or ignorantly dismissing it. Either way Pete is well wide of the mark.
Outlaw Pete wrote: » So, lets get to the meat of it: after the above opener then video then jumps on to critiquing how Conor keeps his right hand down while throwing a straight left, how he often fights upright and stiff and also how he sometimes has a static head position................... but to highlight these aspects of how Conor fights as somehow being flaws.... is as laughable as it gets as these fighting positions are very much deliberate for many mma fighters given that all of these things are used as part of their guard.
For example, if an mma fighter fought with their hands raised and elbows tight (like boxers) their whole body would then be wide open to attack from either kicks, knees or a take down attempts. If you watch the second Diaz fight you'll see that Nate often kicked Conor right after Conor threw a left...... and that right hand being down low helped McGregor guard his body from the kicks doing damage. Same goes for some of Nates take down attempts. Had Conor's right hand not being low and ready to defend against them, Nate would quite easily have taken him down in that fight............ but if I remember correctly, Conor prevented Nate taking him down for the whole five rounds of that fight (well, until the dying seconds of it at least).
Same goes for the remarks about his body being upright and stiff and his head position being static. These are all just examples of certain aspects of specific body stances which make it easier to defend against attempted take downs. The guy in this video absurdly compares Floyd's Matrix-Neo-esque defense skills in boxing bouts to what he sees as Conor's rigidity during MMA fights but if any fighter in MMA tried to use the defensive postures of Floyd mayweather in an MMA fiight........ they'd be taken down in mere seconds. Bend backwards and tilt your body to avoid a punch and fighters like Nate Diaz would have you choked out in no time at all.
Last 'point' made in the video was with regards to clinches........... and well the same really applies again. The chap shows footage of Floyd bobbing and weaving, throwing some great shots and then cuts to Conor doing some bobbing and weaving of his own, but clearly nowhere near as eye catching (in his eyes) and also with Conor not getting off as many shots in the clinch as Floyd did............... but again this misses the point by a country mile, and that is that the fight in question was an MMA fight, not a boxing one and Conor didn't bob, weave or get off as many shots as this clown thinks he should of being able to as he was kinda busy trying to make sure Nate didn't take him to the ground and rnc him again. The sheer determination and strength Conor showed in those final clinches of that last round (in the second fight) was fcuking incredible..... but yet this guy just looks at McGregor in those clinches and all he sees is an inability to box.
So in short, whoever made that video, doesn't have a damn clue what the hell they are talking about. They are comparing apples and oranges. Conor won't be fighting in a boxing ring the way he does in the octagon (with regards to positioning and stances anyway) for the simple reason that he won't have to. His right hand won't need to be kept low and he won't have to keep his upper body and head readied for attempts to take him down. In clinches he'll be free to fire off shots in ways he simply wasn't when fighting the likes of Nate Diaz.
walshb wrote: » Not a bit. It would however damage Mayweather a hell of a lot losing to a complete novice Put it this way, if it was Canelo or GGG or Spence or Thurman etc, Conor would not get past a single rd..... Forget even the WWs, Lomachenko and Frampton would be far too good for Conor.... Forget even the lower weights, Irish amateur internationals would be far too good for Conor And on and on...
GerryDerpy wrote: » I dunno man. If Conor says he is going to knock him out inside four rounds, goes in and does it, you need to re-evaluate your opinion of him as a boxer.
StringerBell wrote: » Conor said he was gonna take Siver out in 1 round, he went in there.......and didn't,did it make you re-evaluate your opinion on him as a FW contender? Of course it didn't, that would be absurd. For the same reason certain people give Conor a chance (citing MW is old, smaller, slower, poor power, brittle hands etc) would surely accept that the likes of Canelo/GGG/Bradley/Thurman and so on and so on would not have any of these issues and would be an even further reach for McGregor following their own logic? Conor has more of a chance at coming through this fight with less lasting damage then he does against anybody else I have listed, he knows that too. That the chances of winning only improve by about .0001% v Mayweather is irrelevant, he isn't in it to win he is in it to make the most money possible following his mantra, get in,get rich, get out, taking as little damage as possible. Nothing wrong with that if you can get paid for it, nothing wrong with it at all. The fault doesn't lie with him for this circus act.
"His soft body and his lack of preparation, he will not be able to handle the ferocity. End of the first I feel he will be put away,"
GerryDerpy wrote: » Ahhhh, so frustrating. Forget I said anything about the prediction, it is not important. If he KOs FM with skill and or unique gameplay then yee need to take notice. Forget the bloody prediction thing.
walshb wrote: » I really don't care what happens but this one of the world's greatest ever sportsmen is just nonsense. He's not even top 10 ever in MMA- UFC terms...
The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman wrote: » And if he gets hammered? Beaten up, humiliated .... what will your assessment of him be?
everlast75 wrote: » That he managed to manoeuvre his way into the biggest pay day of his life into a completely different sport, despite those "in the real world" thinking it would never happen? Fair play is what I think. Look - he has nothing to lose. Those in the boxing fraternity will not be surprised if he gets beaten up. Those in MMA will never have the chance to emulate what he's done so they can take a pop at him and he'll just reply - you try it. Tip of the cap to him.. even more so if he manages to do the impossible
GerryDerpy wrote: » Humm. Not sure now Walshey. Do you genuinely follow MMA? Not sure how you can put him outside the top 10 if so. Well if a sportsman can overcome a 0.001% probability in one of the biggest sporting events ever then I put him up there. I know we differ on that which is fine.
