Bloggers mentioning/promoting products

Sunny Dayz

idunno78 wrote: »

I don't follow grace any more (did for a few mins to see her apology to Rosemary but deleted again) so didn't see there snaps re Aldi but disnlook at blog post. No mention of #ad which is bizzare as that usually where they put it and not in the snaps!! With her being on tv and radio last week Talking about how great she is at disclosure you would imagine she would be extra careful about all this!! Wonder will the ASAI see this if they are monitoring it all?

I'm sorry but someone really has to take Grace aside and give her a talking to. Is she really that clueless in relation to blogging, social media and what she says and does? Or does she actually know what she's doing and is blatantly doing whatever she wants/feels like/could be bothered doing and to hell with everyone else? If she was an employee in a business who only adhered to the guidelines of her industry when it suited her or when she was pulled up on it, I'm sorry but she would have probably gotten her P45 by now. I note from her bio on Instagram that she's a member of Andrea Roche's agency, if I was Ms Roche I would a) make sure my influencers are briefed on the ASAI guidelines and b) pull up influencers who aren't complying. It can't be good for her business.


The backlash Grace received over the weekend wasn't just in relation to her conduct at the Gossies but an accumulation of non disclosures, inconsistencies, and overuse of snapchat. I just feel that she's a disaster waiting to happen.

MuffinTop86

It's interesting to hear people say jordan isn't the sweet simpleton she makes out to be.
She recently stated that if anything is ad, she will say so. So I took that at face value. I've only been following her about 6 months though so it's all baby photos which isn't interesting. I thought it was weird that she went on for days about donating to charity and posted people's fawning messages, but said she's not doing it for any thanks.

mad about nuts

anna080 wrote: »

I got blocked by Rosie Connolly before too for asking a similar thing. She snapped at me and said "how dare you tell me how to do my job. Blocked". :pac:

Its crazy.....you know id expect it if i was rude or was abusing her,but it is what it is........
It is wrong though and clearly her attidute as well as many others is not something i would want representing my brand(if i had one)..

scarbouro

heyjude88 wrote: »

To try and bring the general topic back to bloggers mentioning/promoting products, this article is both interesting and hilarious. So Irish :P Read it all, the funny stuff is at the end. Kinda says out loud what we are all thinking. Just stumbled across it on facebook.

http://www.cormacmoore.com/bloggers-sponsored-content-guidelines-1278

Love this bit "It’s the commercial whores who are “delighted to announce” yet another “partnership”, where they are the submissive voice gladly spouting the company line for whoever knocks on their door."

I can think of one blogger in particular he's referring to!

mad about nuts

MuffinTop86 wrote: »

It's interesting to hear people say jordan isn't the sweet simpleton she makes out to be.
She recently stated that if anything is ad, she will say so. So I took that at face value. I've only been following her about 6 months though so it's all baby photos which isn't interesting. I thought it was weird that she went on for days about donating to charity and posted people's fawning messages, but said she's not doing it for any thanks.

I took everything at face value too,,,i used to love all these "this is to die for" "my number 1 product" "cant live without this" product (i am/was that gullable on snapchat) reviews and totally believed in them because so and so said i needed them in my life.....my eyes have been totally opened the last few days with product content now been sponsered(which dosnt bother me but i think i would perfer in future someone who has paid money and then reviews and will make my own decision on product.) and have unfollowed a good few this morning......

Cria

anna080 wrote: »

Yep about a year ago! I actually posted it here at the time on another blogger thread. I posted my question and her message back to me. Very rude!

There's no need for that She's putting herself out there and plugging these brands someone is bound to question it.

I actually follow her and have noticed in the last couple of weeks her snaps are of the front of shops or things she's sent for free or stuff she's promoting without #ad and her baby .
There no content at all anymore I just skip past most of it .
At the end of the day most of these girls set up these blogs because of their love for beauty.
That's how they gained their followers most of these bloggers now just show constant products and constant baby snaps .. I admire the likes of the beautiful truth and sharon leavy as they haven't strayed to far from where they started and they keep there private life and kids separate..

Cria

mad about nuts wrote: »

First world problems i know,but im so annoyed over getting blocked.I sent a snap asking if the products should be hashtagged, and got a reply asking why did i contact her and why was i questioning her? and that she was always transparent with her followers..Now i have sent her a few snaps in the past either laughing at something she said or asking where she bought something and she always got back to me and was very polite......guess i just asked the wrong question today..

You should tweet and ask her let her followers see how she treats people

Cria

Sunny Dayz wrote: »

I'm sorry but someone really has to take Grace aside and give her a talking to. Is she really that clueless in relation to blogging, social media and what she says and does? Or does she actually know what she's doing and is blatantly doing whatever she wants/feels like/could be bothered doing and to hell with everyone else? If she was an employee in a business who only adhered to the guidelines of her industry when it suited her or when she was pulled up on it, I'm sorry but she would have probably gotten her P45 by now. I note from her bio on Instagram that she's a member of Andrea Roche's agency, if I was Ms Roche I would a) make sure my influencers are briefed on the ASAI guidelines and b) pull up influencers who aren't complying. It can't be good for her business.


The backlash Grace received over the weekend wasn't just in relation to her conduct at the Gossies but an accumulation of non disclosures, inconsistencies, and overuse of snapchat. I just feel that she's a disaster waiting to happen.

That agency obviously have no clue how to advise their clients .
What grace has done lately has shown andrea roche's company to be a shambles.
After the last year of non transparency she's still not being transparent A) why have they not put a stop to this behaviour or why have they not let her go as a client .. it really boils down to money what exactly does this agency do

mad about nuts

Cria wrote: »

There's no need for that She's putting herself out there and plugging these brands someone is bound to question it.

I actually follow her and have noticed in the last couple of weeks her snaps are of the front of shops or things she's sent for free or stuff she's promoting without #ad and her baby .
There no content at all anymore I just skip past most of it .
At the end of the day most of these girls set up these blogs because of their love for beauty.
That's how they gained their followers most of these bloggers now just show constant products and constant baby snaps .. I admire the likes of the beautiful truth and sharon leavy as they haven't strayed to far from where they started and they keep there private life and kids separate..

I love sharon snap chat,its everyday life...theres no false bull **** with her.......and everthing she has she buys herself...

Keepingitreal

Cria wrote: »

That agency obviously have no clue how to advise their clients .
What grace has done lately has shown andrea roche's company to be a shambles.
After the last year of non transparency she's still not being transparent A) why have they not put a stop to this behaviour or why have they not let her go as a client .. it really boils down to money what exactly does this agency do

Ooh I didn't realise she was part of their agency🙈

mad about nuts

Cria wrote: »

You should tweet and ask her let her followers see how she treats people

Im not on twitter...i had a quick look at her facebook and blog but there is no options for leaving a comment. She has herself well covered.......

mad about nuts

Cria wrote: »

That agency obviously have no clue how to advise their clients .
What grace has done lately has shown andrea roche's company to be a shambles.
After the last year of non transparency she's still not being transparent A) why have they not put a stop to this behaviour or why have they not let her go as a client .. it really boils down to money what exactly does this agency do

Any chance the companies are unaware??

sashafierce

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mad about nuts

sashafierce wrote: »

I think using these bloggers for recommendations of products is madness. I use them purely to see new products then I go on makeupalley.com if im thinking of buying it & if I want to see what real people think.
Taking the recommendation of someone who is paid to recommend it is totally redundant.

How do you know if someone is paid to talk about a product??
Unless there is a #spons or #ad in a blog pr snapchat..how many bloggers just give a good report not expecting payment in return!

SpillingTheTea

I don't know if any of you follow Laura Cunningham on SC. She's the Editor of Confetti Magazine and the owner of Hippenings. Anyway, I was watching her snaps (think it was Sunday) and basically she was saying she wonders if companies would have to contact bloggers to ask if the want the products for free now as they have to pay BIK on free items and as she states, sometimes she's sent things she doesn't even want.

This is very interesting to me because doesn't that then open up when things are sent for free? For example, MUF got sent Lingerie from Lidl this morning - tagged as Not an ad, but she still gave out all the relevant info including the range, date it's available etc. To me that's still an ad as she is advertising a product with all the relevant info. It's not as if she had even tried the set on and liked them and it's her honest recommendation.

Yes I know this follows under 'if no money is exchanged with the assumption of a mention' so technically not a paid ad, but it's very interesting because it's considered BIK so technically there is an exchange of goods. Just curious to see how many bloggers/influencers will turn down free goods now that they'll have to pay taxes on them.


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sashafierce

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Puggly

SpillingTheTea wrote: »

I don't know if any of you follow Laura Cunningham on SC. She's the Editor of Confetti Magazine and the owner of Hippenings. Anyway, I was watching her snaps (think it was Sunday) and basically she was saying she wonders if companies would have to contact bloggers to ask if the want the products for free now as they have to pay BIK on free items and as she states, sometimes she's sent things she doesn't even want.

This is very interesting to me because doesn't that then open up when things are sent for free? For example, MUF got sent Lingerie from Lidl this morning - tagged as Not an ad, but she still gave out all the relevant info including the range, date it's available etc. To me that's still an ad as she is advertising a product with all the relevant info. It's not as if she had even tried the set on and liked them and it's her honest recommendation.

Yes I know this follows under 'if no money is exchanged with the assumption of a mention' so technically not a paid ad, but it's very interesting because it's considered BIK so technically there is an exchange of goods. Just curious to see how many bloggers/influencers will turn down free goods now that they'll have to pay taxes on them.


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Thing is they've always had to pay taxes on free goods as would anyone else. It's not a new thing. MUF has worked with Lidl before, so maybe she just thought they were nice for the prices. Still seems like an ad to me aswell tho.

SpillingTheTea

I know that, but the impression I've always gotten is that even they are sent press items etc they weren't required to pay BIK and now it's recently changed.

Obviously big ticket items such as the use of cars etc they were always required, but things like lipstick haha even Rosemary joked the other day when she was in Starbucks and got a free mini coffee saying 'do I need to pay BIK on this'. Obviously it was a joke, but maybe there's an element of truth considering what Laura Cunningham stated.

Puggly

SpillingTheTea wrote: »

I know that, but the impression I've always gotten is that even they are sent press items etc they weren't required to pay BIK and now it's recently changed.

Obviously big ticket items such as the use of cars etc they were always required, but things like lipstick haha even Rosemary joked the other day when she was in Starbucks and got a free mini coffee saying 'do I need to pay BIK on this'. Obviously it was a joke, but maybe there's an element of truth considering what Laura Cunningham stated.

From what I've read they have to pay taxes on everything they are sent.

Puggly

Puggly wrote: »

From what I've read they have to pay taxes on everything they are sent.

Screenshot from Twitter.

mad about nuts

Puggly wrote: »

From what I've read they have to pay taxes on everything they are sent.

Thats if they declare it..

Puggly

mad about nuts wrote: »

Thats if they declare it..

Exactly, that's up to the taxman to find out. I won't say anymore on this as it is off topic. I don't want this thread to closed.

When bloggers and influencers go to colleges to do talks, surely there getting paid,so wouldn't they need #ad.

SpillingTheTea

Puggly wrote: »

Puggly wrote: »

From what I've read they have to pay taxes on everything they are sent.

Screenshot from Twitter.

Thanks for sharing x
I'm honestly shocked because I remember talking about that in the other thread and we were told that small things weren't BIK. I was going mad (slight exaggeration ) over it because I was sure it did qualify as BIK as I remembered learning it in business but I'm sure we were definitely told it didn't qualify.

I don't really care because I always thought it was BIK ha. I wonder if Grace paid BIK on that TV :P

Toastytoes

Puggly wrote: »

Thing is they've always had to pay taxes on free goods as would anyone else. It's not a new thing. MUF has worked with Lidl before, so maybe she just thought they were nice for the prices. Still seems like an ad to me aswell tho.

I agree, I don't think it's a new development and I don't believe it's something that has been introduced in the latest Finance Act or anything like that. I think it was always taxable but people were unaware or just choosing to not comply.

From a look at Andrea Roche's twitter, it seems she represents some of the worst offenders. You'd think she'd hold them to higher standards, it doesn't reflect well on her.

Jen44

i thought you had to be an employee to pay BIK

idunno78

This is interesting! From ASAI about disclosures and about receiving free product. Only 5 minutes long but get everything in!

ratmouse

mad about nuts wrote: »

First world problems i know,but im so annoyed over getting blocked.I sent a snap asking if the products should be hashtagged, and got a reply asking why did i contact her and why was i questioning her? and that she was always transparent with her followers..Now i have sent her a few snaps in the past either laughing at something she said or asking where she bought something and she always got back to me and was very polite......guess i just asked the wrong question today..

Which blogger blocked you?

mad about nuts

ratmouse wrote: »

Which blogger blocked you?

Just jordan

livedadream

mad about nuts wrote: »

ratmouse wrote: »

Which blogger blocked you?

Just jordan

which is riduclious, to be fair i snapped JK last night asking was it an ad and he responded saying no if it was he would #ad. asked was it a free meal and he explained he was invited as he is a food reviewer... to be fair... didnt block so its a bit ridiculous if thye are blocking you just for asking, like what do you expect, us to think you pay for everything yourself?

ratmouse

mad about nuts wrote: »

Just jordan

Sorry, wasn't fully sure. I'm not surprised. It would appear that she's not all sweet and wholesome as she tries to portray. Seems very poor at declaring ads and sponsored posts.