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Leroy42 wrote: »

There really is no excuse to make products outside of the US and sell them within.

Eh, money? Seem to remember they are quite keen on making money over there.

Hank Scorpio

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

Plenty of footage out there of Homer Simpson seeming to grab the babysitter's sweet sweet can.

I could go posting videos to prove my point, if you believe Russia hacked Hillary so that she had to be dragged into a car so be it.

The points that Democrat made about Russia were ignorant and ludicrous and deserve to be laughed at.

Trent Houseboat

Hank Scorpio wrote:

I could go posting videos to prove my point, if you believe Russia hacked Hillary so that she had to be dragged into a car so be it.

The points that Democrat made about Russia were ignorant and ludicrous and deserve to be laughed at.

I'm well aware of her being "bundled into the back of a van like an old mattress" as I put it myself previously and she was clearly unwell that day. But the conspiracy theories had been floating around for months before that.

You can try to paint is as a strawman that I said Russia Hacked Hillary if that's easy for you to defeat or you can consider the fact that Russian may have started the rumours and edited earlier videos.

ScumLord

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

I could go posting videos to prove my point,

Anyone could produce a video promoting anything. There's been so much video content produced of each candidate you could literally make anything true by restricting each shot to a few seconds.

Permabear

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Trent Houseboat

Permabear wrote:

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Not really no.

I'm talking about the edited videos of he eyes rolling around in her head. Sped up, slowed down reversed and with added sound effects.

Hank Scorpio

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

I'm well aware of her being "bundled into the back of a van like an old mattress" as I put it myself previously and she was clearly unwell that day. But the conspiracy theories had been floating around for months before that.

You can try to paint is as a strawman that I said Russia Hacked Hillary if that's easy for you to defeat or you can consider the fact that Russian may have started the rumours and edited earlier videos.

To blame the Russians for people questioning her health during the campaign is just nutty. When she fell ill and had to carried to her car it was broadcast all over national TV, besides that she was having coughing fits throughout her rallies/Benghazi hearings with stuff like what's below happening. Christ I'm not wishing her ill health or something! What editing is there?! She hid it well and deserves praise for that.

Professor Moriarty

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

To blame the Russians for people questioning her health during the campaign is just nutty. When she fell ill and had to carried to her car it was broadcast all over national TV, besides that she was having coughing fits throughout her rallies/Benghazi hearings with stuff like what's below happening. Christ I'm not wishing her ill health or something! What editing is there?! She hit it well and deserves praise for that.

Understandably, it is difficult to get odds on Trump not finishing his term for health reasons. However, he's even money to be impeached or resign during his first term.

Hank Scorpio

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Understandably, it is difficult to get odds on Trump not finishing his term for health reasons. However, he's even money to be impeached or resign during his first term.

And what does that have to do with what I'm saying? He's blaming the Russians for people thinking Hillary had health problems. It's incredible.

Trent Houseboat

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

To blame the Russians for people questioning her health during the campaign is just nutty. When she fell ill and had to carried to her car it was broadcast all over national TV, besides that she was having coughing fits throughout her rallies/Benghazi hearings with stuff like what's below happening. Christ I'm not wishing her ill health or something! What editing is there?! She hid it well and deserves praise for that.

eah, that was the type of video I was talking about. Do you think she was having a stroke or pulling a funny face after being surprised by someone asking her a question from an angle she didn't expect with a phone in her face?

I just realised I was tricked into talking about Clinton.
The point was that that video was posted in reverse and slowed down on the election thread by someone.
Is that not proof of a conspiracy theorist?

Venom

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

The German Economics Minister pointed this out to Trump yesterday. As he said, if you walk down Fifth Avenue all you see are Mercs but you don't see many Chevrolets in Germany. Historically, American cars have appalling reliability records.

Mercedes Benz had woeful reliability issues for years that required the company to invest 2/3rds of there profits back into the cars production methods. Top Gear used to run a poll on what cars were like to live with on a daily basis and mercs always scored low.

ScumLord wrote: »

Anyone could produce a video promoting anything. There's been so much video content produced of each candidate you could literally make anything true by restricting each shot to a few seconds.

This is true, but multiple videos from various different sources and at multiple events over the last few months of the election campaign showing the woman looking in poor health can't all be blamed on the Russian's!

This red's under the bed nonsense is just getting silly now.

Igotadose

hey, the campaign's over, right? Enough rehashing HRC's health issues.

Oh, Trump's taking aim at Europe now. Great news (not) for Ireland, seems like Nato doesn't work. Hmm... who would benefit most from weakening Nato.. .that'd be... V. Putin.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/01/trump-to-europe-drop-dead-214640

Hank Scorpio

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

eah, that was the type of video I was talking about. Do you think she was having a stroke or pulling a funny face after being surprised by someone asking her a question from an angle she didn't expect with a phone in her face?

She had some sort of mini fit and hid it well. She's been having coughing fits going back to the Benghazi hearings. She had to be dragged to her car by Security. The Russians + conspiracy theories stuff is just crazy. She's an old lady, I think you might be on the wind up if you expect me to believe that it's some sort of Russian conspiracy against her. I base my judgement on what I seen on TV during the campaign, not from what some Russian hacker told me.

Trent Houseboat

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

And what does that have to do with what I'm saying? He's blaming the Russians for people thinking Hillary had health problems. It's incredible.

Who is?

RasTa

I had an American car when I lived in Canada, I will never buy an American car again.

You don't know how rubbish they are until you own one. Electronics being the main issue

Hank Scorpio

Igotadose wrote: »

hey, the campaign's over, right? Enough rehashing HRC's health issues.

Doesn't work that way, if anti Trump people believe that because a whiny Democrat said on TV that Russia made up a conspiracy theory about her health, they'll believe anything said about Russia that damages Trump.

ScumLord

Venom wrote: »

This is true, but multiple videos from various different sources and at multiple events over the last few months of the election campaign showing the woman looking in poor health can't all be blamed on the Russian's!

This red's under the bed nonsense is just getting silly now.

I don't think the russians had anything to do with the Clinton videos, they were produced by home grown American conspiracy chasers. The videos prove nothing, they're snapshots of a person taken out of context. Follow any other person around for that length of time and you could produce similar videos. Especially if they're on a busy schedule and doing a lot of traveling. I coughed today and I'm not dying of numerous health issues, but if you showed just that one cough you could easily pass it off as me being terminally ill.

Hank Scorpio

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

Who is?

Have you missed your post where you called concerns over her health a conspiracy theory?

RasTa

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

The Russians + conspiracy theories stuff is just crazy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNa2B5zHfbQ

Trent Houseboat

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Have you missed your post where you called concerns over her health a conspiracy theory?

Did I say it was Russia?

Some people see someone cough and convince themselves that it's a serious health concern others think its just a cough. The ones who believe in serious health issues without any evidence are conspiracy theorists.

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Hank Scorpio

RasTa wrote: »

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He's talking sarcastically about the emails Hillary deleted.

Quick, inform the FBI!

https://i.redd.it/mfs6134wk6ay.jpg

Hank Scorpio

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

Did I say it was Russia?

Some people see someone cough and convince themselves that it's a serious health concern others think its just a cough. The ones who believe in serious health issues without any evidence are conspiracy theorists.

"But the conspiracy theory about her health could have originated anywhere, possibly Russia, though I've seen nothing to suggest it.
Rep Waters is probably just confused."

That's what you said.

Having to be carried 5 feet does indicate a serious health problem.

ScumLord

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Having to be carried 5 feet does indicate a serious health problem.

You wouldn't make a good doctor. There are a plethora of reasons for being faint. Low blood sugar (very possible under the circumstances), lack of sleep, an illness, any illness most of which aren't life threatening, Going from a dark place to a bright place, it's pretty easy to overwhelm the human senses under the right circumstances. Being faint is not an indication of her even being ill, perfectly healthy people can be made faint from something as simple as seeing blood or getting vertigo.

Hank Scorpio

ScumLord wrote: »

You wouldn't make a good doctor.

Right. If it was an isolated incident I would agree with you.

My point was people were right to have concerns over her health, some whiny democrat on TV who refuses to attend Trumps inauguration and blames Russia for that is laughable, along with the Russians coining the phase "Crooked Hillary".

There's an inability that some of these Politicians have, they refuse to look at themselves instead of just blaming Russia.

Trent Houseboat

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

"But the conspiracy theory about her health could have originated anywhere, possibly Russia, though I've seen nothing to suggest it.
Rep Waters is probably just confused."

That's what you said.

Having to be carried 5 feet does indicate a serious health problem.

I will now and forever concede that she was unwell at the memorial.

But we were both talking about videos in which she acts normally or coughs a bit. You should remember them, you posted them as examples of her ill health.

Hank Scorpio

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

I will now and forever concede that she was unwell at the memorial.

But we were both talking about videos in which she acts normally or coughs a bit. You should remember them, you posted them as examples of her ill health.

If that's what you call acting normally, we have a clear difference of opinion, which is fine. Carry on.

Billy86

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Right. If it was an isolated incident I would agree with you.

What/when were the other instances of Clinton collapsing?

HellSquirrel

Huh. I feel like I've travelled back in time six months. Don't suppose we could get back to the present before we hit the future?

Trent Houseboat

HellSquirrel wrote: »

Huh. I feel like I've travelled back in time six months. Don't suppose we could get back to the present before we hit the future?

We're not debating anyone's health, we're pointing out how some people are credulous enough to believe unsubstantiated guff that supports their biases and the possibility that said guff originated in Russia as an attempt to further a specific candidates chances.

Some of us think it's possible, some of us are convinced that couldn't happen. Whether or not they're the same ones who were convinced that Russia weren't behind the hacks until L. Don Trumpard issued an edict to say they were is more research than I can be bothered to do.