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ScumLord

Manic Moran wrote: »

As part of the license application process, it seems that the applicant's SSN is sent from DMV to the Dept of State which then verifies citizenship before enrollment. Illegals can get a driver's license, but they use a different form. I find it unlikely, if this process is followed, that many illegal immigrants are getting voting rights.

I've always found it a bit strange how easy it is to be an illegal immigrant in the US. They don't sem to have any problem living the same lifestyle as American citizens getting houses and driver licenses. I would have thought going for an American driving license would just show you up to be an illegal?

Is just that America is so huge it's hard to single them out? that they're getting some sort of conversion of their foreign license to local with a legal process? Is it just that US laws aren't as intrusive as European ones so they don't know everything about the people applying for licenses?

jobbridge4life wrote: »

Trump should at least wait for evidence before repeatedly lying and claiming as fact that three to five million fraudulent votes were cast but then his pathetic ego can't handle the fact that he lost the popular vote by a significant number.

I'd say by the time they prove this is utter nonsense Trump will have moved on to a new controversy and he's supporters will dismiss it as relevant. Just look at how our own government can hold things up until everyone involved is gone and safe.

My brother was illegal in New York about 15 years ago and had a driving licence and bank account etc. no problem. It's pretty strange.

Il Fascista

A Little Pony wrote: »

Anyone see the Ashley Judd speech at the protest march? I never thought it was possible to die from embarrassment but if I was in that crowd it very well could have happened. What a complete lunatic. She brought up gas chambers, periods, tampax, Nazis etc. And people wonder why no one takes modern feminism seriously. Good grief.

Even the crowd had a WTF look on their faces:pac:

A Little Pony

Even if the Democrats did try and cheat, it still shows the genius of Lord Trump that he managed to destroy Hillary by winning most states. So not even the dead could save the liberal cause.

Permabear

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Hank Scorpio

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

https://twitter.com/TrueTheVote/status/823969150066446341

https://twitter.com/TrueTheVote/status/823969666347528192

The president of true the vote is Catherine Engelbrecht, she was targeted heavily by the IRS and particularity Elijah Cummings for trying to expose voter fraud.

IMO it's very unlikely there was millions of illegal votes, but who knows?

Great video.

ceadaoin.

ScumLord wrote: »

I've always found it a bit strange how easy it is to be an illegal immigrant in the US. They don't sem to have any problem living the same lifestyle as American citizens getting houses and driver licenses. I would have thought going for an American driving license would just show you up to be an illegal?

Is just that America is so huge it's hard to single them out? that they're getting some sort of conversion of their foreign license to local with a legal process? Is it just that US laws aren't as intrusive as European ones so they don't know everything about the people applying for licenses?

I'd say by the time they prove this is utter nonsense Trump will have moved on to a new controversy and he's supporters will dismiss it as relevant. Just look at how our own government can hold things up until everyone involved is gone and safe.

I'm not illegal but I'm not eligible for a social security number. When I was applying for a license they checked my visa details and retrieved my I94 form etc to verify that I am allowed to be here. Not sure how illegal immigrants get around this but I think the the DMV officially turns a blind eye to their immigration status. I remember there being big queues of people getting their license a few years ago when the laws were relaxed so it must be some kind of official policy?

Permabear

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Hank Scorpio

DWS on CNN talking about integrity :pac:

Sonics2k

Say hello to the man Trump wants to be the Secretary of Agriculture, Sonny Perdue.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/21767716/#.WIjkwvmLQuX

Georgia Gov. Sonny Perdue stepped up to a podium outside the state Capitol on Tuesday and led a solemn crowd of several hundred people in a prayer for rain on his drought-stricken state.

“It’s time to appeal to Him who can and will make a difference,” Perdue told the crowd."

Funnily enough, it didn't rain.

It's been a while but aren't there some states where you register to vote, show up and then your name gets ticked off, without ID?
Because in a system where less than 60% voted, that seems really easy to abuse.. I find it very plausible that there's a list somewhere of people who don't vote.

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ScumLord

Permabear wrote: »

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We kind of did tolerate a large influx of illegals during the boom when all the Brazilians turned up, as far as I know they had no right to work here. Of course they mostly left once the boom dried up. It didn't stop us abusing their position when it suited us.

To add to my point earlier about people being super-aware of what the government does now and the positives from that, some scientists are trying to start a thing where they go for office.

His biggest victories could be in the actions of the people he pisses off.

ScumLord

Deleted User wrote: »

It's been a while but aren't there some states where you register to vote, show up and then your name gets ticked off, without ID?
Because in a system where less than 60% voted, that seems really easy to abuse.. I find it very plausible that there's a list somewhere of people who don't vote.

As for California, using the info here, I just registered to vote as if I'm a US citizen. I'd just need to print it off, sign it and send it in. I didn't give an address but I could have and then a ballot would have been sent to my house. I was allowed to register while clicking "I don't have a social security #".

Apparently I'd need to bring ID with me to the polling station but that's easy. I made a fake driving licence for myself 14 years ago to buy beer.
Fake IDs are easy to make. Finding dead people is easy. Finding people who don't vote is easy. Registering is easy. Fraud is easy.

It still doesn't mean it happened though. Millions of people is a lot. It would probably be fairly evident to anyone who's worked the polling stations for a long time that there is a big spike in voters showing up.

But that's what the investigation will show up. I have my doubts that there was significant voter fraud. It's hard enough to get people to show up to vote, never mind do it more than once.

ScumLord

ScumLord wrote: »

It still doesn't mean it happened though. Millions of people is a lot. It would probably be fairly evident to anyone who's worked the polling stations for a long time that there is a big spike in voters showing up.

But that's what the investigation will show up. I have my doubts that there was significant voter fraud. It's hard enough to get people to show up to vote, never mind do it more than once.

I've tried to find which states he's checking but I have a feeling it may not be California. He'd have posted it on Twitter by now usually.

If he doesn't do California and picks a state with lax laws and a tight count, it could be interesting. And he'd be well within his rights after the other side only checked states they lost.

But he'll probably do California.

Still the biggest "voter fraud" in my mind is New York where you have to choose party affiliation months and months in advance of the Primary. That kills candidates like Sanders.

Hank Scorpio

The Chinese, a great bunch of lads.

"Go back to Beijing"

RobertKK

The daily press briefing is on, Sean Spicer confirmed that Enda Kenny was invited to the White House for St Patrick's day during the transition period.

Manic Moran

ScumLord wrote: »

I've always found it a bit strange how easy it is to be an illegal immigrant in the US. They don't sem to have any problem living the same lifestyle as American citizens getting houses and driver licenses. I would have thought going for an American driving license would just show you up to be an illegal?

Is just that America is so huge it's hard to single them out? that they're getting some sort of conversion of their foreign license to local with a legal process? Is it just that US laws aren't as intrusive as European ones so they don't know everything about the people applying for licenses?

Well, now you've tapped into a large part of the red/blue divide and part of the whole 'build a wall' business.

Immigration policy is, by the Constitution, left exclusively to the Federal Government. The States cannot set up or enforce such a thing, which is why you saw things like court cases between Arizona and the Federal Government on the matter during the Obama administration: On the basis that the Feds weren't doing enough, Arizona attempted to enforce by State law requirements equal to the Feds. The feds fought back, and won in the courts. So, given that the States have no direct control over who is in their State in the first place, differing States have taken up different policies on what to do with them.

Some will provide only the most limited services (eg life-saving). At the other extreme are 'sanctuary cities', which you'll hear a fair bit about given that Trump is likely to issue punishment instructions today. Sanctuary Cities do not co-operate with the Federal immigration authorities, except in particular cases. Part of the theory makes sense: They want illegal immigrants who have been victims or witnesses of crimes to feel able to come forward and talk to the police without fear of deportation. Crime is predominantly a State-level-and-below issue so the Feds are on their own at the immigration level. If an illegal is going to be in your State and is going to be driving whether you like it or not, at least let them pass the test and have a license so that they will be safe for other road users. If an illegal kid is in your area, give them the education they need so that when they grow up, they will be more productive members of society (As well as the more basic moral issue of a kid being denied education due to no fault of their own).

On the other hand, the law-and-order types are saying "illegal is illegal." It came to a head about two years ago with the Kate Steinle shooting. A tourist visiting San Francisco was shot and killed by an illegal immigrant who had been released by the San Francisco sheriff's office after charges were dropped in a minor case instead of being handed over to ICE for deportation, despite ICE specifically asking for him. Trump's stated position in the past is that if cities choose not to follow Federal regulations on the matter, they will cease receiving federal funding. This is not an insignificant amount of money, over 10% of San Francisco's budget, for example, is provided by the Feds. There is also the matter of policy with regards immigration as a whole: The kind-hearted folks of SF want to make theirs a city friendly to those seeking a better life.

Anyway, hence the emphasis on the wall. Most folks I think understand that building a 30' high wall in itself isn't going to stop a hell of a lot, but 'wall' is more taken to be a holistic description of 'defensive zone' involving observation and interception as well as physical barriers. As there's not a hell of a lot any of the States can do once the immigrants have gotten past the border area, there is increased focus on the border area as the place most likely to see results in the reduction of illegal immigration when action is taken.

jobbridge4life

ScumLord wrote: »

We kind of did tolerate a large influx of illegals during the boom when all the Brazilians turned up, as far as I know they had no right to work here. Of course they mostly left once the boom dried up. It didn't stop us abusing their position when it suited us.

Source or proof of this claim?

Hank Scorpio

Trump is due to speak in 5 minutes, live stream here

Richard Hillman

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Still the biggest "voter fraud" in my mind is New York where you have to choose party affiliation months and months in advance of the Primary. That kills candidates like Sanders.

It's to prevent Jeremy Corbyn type incidents and sabotage. Or sabotage by voting for Jeremy Corbyn :pac:

Wanderer78

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Trump is due to speak in 5 minutes, live stream here

thanks but lifes too short:D

Grayson

A Little Pony wrote: »

I wouldn't say millions of illegal votes but I'd be surprised if you didn't a decent number.

This is the pew study that Trump supporters say proves voter fraud. The person who wrote up the study has explicitly said that it proves no such thing. The creator even went so far as to tweet that it means no such thing in the middle of Spicers briefing as Spicer said it does.

http://www.pewtrusts.org/~/media/legacy/uploadedfiles/pcs_assets/2012/pewupgradingvoterregistrationpdf.pdf

I believe this is the guy.

https://twitter.com/beckerdavidj/status/823898627806523392

jobbridge4life

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

If what's said in the tweet is true, that the states are only beginning to release 2016 data, how can we know that?

I'm willing to give her a chance and see what she produces, she seems intelligence and has been unfairly attacked by certain individuals.

Again, there have been studies conducted already, they have found that the voting fraud in the United States was so minuscule as to be irrelevant.

To be frank this woman and her unsubstantiated claims are not my concern. What is concerning and what ought to rattle all of us here is the POTUS repeating as fact that there was enormous fraud. The POTUS is undermining American people's faith in their democratic system. He is doing this not only in the absence of any evidence but actually in the face of research to the contrary. He is doing this about an election he WON.

You must ask yourself why? Why would this man do it? Don't assume righteousness or malice, just ask why and think about it. Think about it in the full context of his rhetoric, his character and his actions to date.

Grayson

jobbridge4life wrote: »

Again, there have been studies conducted already, they have found that the voting fraud in the United States was so minuscule as to be irrelevant.

To be frank this woman and her unsubstantiated claims are not my concern. What is concerning and what ought to rattle all of us here is the POTUS repeating as fact that there was enormous fraud. The POTUS is undermining American people's faith in their democratic system. He is doing this not only in the absence of any evidence but actually in the face of research to the contrary. He is doing this about an election he WON.

You must ask yourself why? Why would this man do it? Don't assume righteousness or malice, just ask why and think about it. Think about it in the full context of his rhetoric, his character and his actions to date.

I believe that Trump is doing it because he's got a huge ego and can't believe he didn't win the popular vote. The republicans will go along because it'll help them enable voter suppression laws to stop minorities and the poor from voting.

Grayson

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Trump is due to speak in 5 minutes, live stream here

the feckers late

Hank Scorpio

jobbridge4life wrote: »

Again, there have been studies conducted already, they have found that the voting fraud in the United States was so minuscule as to be irrelevant.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2014/10/24/could-non-citizens-decide-the-november-election/?utm_term=.f6c4c375b0c1

"Because non-citizens tended to favor Democrats (Obama won more than 80 percent of the votes of non-citizens in the 2008 CCES sample), we find that this participation was large enough to plausibly account for Democratic victories in a few close elections. Non-citizen votes could have given Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health-care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress. Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) won election in 2008 with a victory margin of 312 votes. Votes cast by just 0.65 percent of Minnesota non-citizens could account for this margin. It is also possible that non-citizen votes were responsible for Obama’s 2008 victory in North Carolina. Obama won the state by 14,177 votes, so a turnout by 5.1 percent of North Carolina’s adult non-citizens would have provided this victory margin."

To be frank this woman and her unsubstantiated claims are not my concern. What is concerning and what ought to rattle all of us here is the POTUS repeating as fact that there was enormous fraud. The POTUS is undermining American people's faith in their democratic system. He is doing this not only in the absence of any evidence but actually in the face of research to the contrary. He is doing this about an election he WON.

This Woman has been attacked over and over by the previous administration for simply wanting fair and free elections. She's been investigated multiple times by the FBI, fines tens of thousands of dollars and been attacked non stop by Democrats like Cummings and the IRS. If there's nothing to hide why has she been so harshly treated? She appears to be honest and intelligent.

You must ask yourself why? Why would this man do it? Don't assume righteousness or malice, just ask why and think about it. Think about it in the full context of his rhetoric, his character and his actions to date.

Why? The real question is why people do not want a full investigation and why the same people oppose voter ID. Is there's nothing to hide and no wrongdoing was done then why oppose it? The exact same argument was used by those supporting Jill Steins recounts.

Butters1979

If he's lying about voter fraud why is he investigating it?

Also Fox News is insane. Flicked over for the news conference. Before they went to adds they had two, what could only be described as aryans singing a country music love song to each other. It as god awful.

The_Valeyard

Grayson wrote: »

the feckers late

He is just trying to see if the lads who built the Berlin Wall are still alive.

Butters1979

Grayson wrote: »

the feckers late

Impeach !