The Truth about Obesity

darkpagandeath

Fat people and type 2 diabetes are going to destroy the health system. size 16 here should not be an average size for a woman. Ireland will be the fastest country in the EU in a few more years. I mean Jesus look at the amount of chocolate consumed here.

learn_more

Graces7 wrote: »

learn_more wrote: »

Tactic 10

People don't want to learn the hard truth.

Food was never that cheap. Junk food came in and made food cheaper than it ever was. Largely due to freezers and food scientists who figured out a way to transport food over vast distances and keep it edible. By injecting hydrogenated fats and sugar to preserve them as well.

If people were educated about bad food, and they should be, then they would know that junk food is xtra cheap.

I think that some ppl spend about 5% of their income on rotten food, when they know full well if they wanted to enjoy good food the spend would come to more like 20%. And it doesn't even have to be the much.

So, I think you know exactly what I'm getting at.

Really? I do not think so! :rolleyes:

Where do you shop? Simple good food IS cheap. ALDI have the super6 offers every week .. so please do not accuse me of ignorance! I cannot eat junk food because of a medical issue but eat simply and well and inexpensively.

As do many I know.

Ah well!

Your misunderstanding of anything I have said is quite embarrassing ( for you ) . Guess I have to explain that as well.

Smoked Tuna

RobertKK wrote: »

Porridge in the morning takes only a few minutes in the microwave, add fruit and some whole milk and you have a delicious and healthy breakfast, which is cheaper than cereals.

Careful on the portion size. A bowl of porridge, depending on how much is in it, can have a huge amount of calories even if it is healthy.

matchthis

Dravokivich

Graces7 wrote: »

lovely idea and a man after my own heart but try offering that to kids these days.. or grown up kids ..

They'll go hungry, they'll eat what's given to them.

Giblet

Mr. FoggPatches wrote: »

Fortunately, my gattaca like genes mean that none of this will ever bother me or my descendants.

You know why I always finished the Pizza,

I never saved anything for the next day.

Flint Fredstone

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Fat people and type 2 diabetes are going to destroy the health system. size 16 here should not be an average size for a woman. Ireland will be the fastest country in the EU in a few more years. I mean Jesus look at the amount of chocolate consumed here.

Sorry. That's my fault but it was Christmas.

Wibbs

learn_more wrote: »

Your misunderstanding of anything I have said is quite embarrassing ( for you ) . Guess I have to explain that as well.

Bejesus, you're certainly burning the up calories climbing up on that high horse of yours. Fúck me.

Like I noted on another thread where a few crawthumpers were peddling their virtue and polishing their halos it's easy to see where the church got its foot soldiers and zealots in times past.

Health bores are some of the most mind numbingly bone achingly tedious people one will ever have the misfortune to meet. Diet bores add another level of hell to the mix. Watching grey paint dry is akin to watching John Wayne with laser eyes shooting dinosaur in the head in cinemascope by comparison.

Shenshen

So, essentially the same truth we've been told for the last 2 decades? Yes, that certainly was worth a new thread...

Advbrd

Graces7 wrote: »

lovely idea and a man after my own heart but try offering that to kids these days.. or grown up kids ..

What? Chicken, veg and spuds? Top class dinner. If my kids refuse that then they go hungry. Well actually, they would not be allowed refuse that or any other dinner.

Flint Fredstone

I'm just under 6ft tall and 13 stone and I love bacon and cheese fries. I eat far worse than some people I know that are in very bad shape.

It would be very easy to hold your views if you are not prone to putting on weight...

CINCLANTFLT

Giblet wrote: »

You know why I always finished the Pizza,

I never saved anything for the next day.

I cut the pizza into 8 slices when I am treating myself, but only into 6 slices when I am bring healthy... then we only have 3 slices each instead of 4 and that means it's healthy

Advbrd

Flint Fredstone wrote: »

I'm just under 6ft tall and 13 stone and I love bacon and cheese fries. I eat far worse than some people I know that are in very bad shape.

It would be very easy to hold your views if you are not prone to putting on weight...

I presume you are under 40. That's where it all went wrong for me. Throw Heineken into the mix and there's your recipe for disaster.

TheDriver

Flint Fredstone wrote: »

Sorry. That's my fault but it was Christmas.

Except you see people buying Christmas sweets in Oct and opening them, everyone who walks in door gives kids a selection box etc. We have gotten a very unhealthy relationship with Christmas chocolate lasting months. And then its all the Easter eggs that people consume....

the beer revolu

Shenshen wrote: »

So, essentially the same truth we've been told for the last 2 decades? Yes, that certainly was worth a new thread...

Ah but this is coated in a whole level of patronising and superiority.

dub_skav

the beer revolu wrote: »

Ah but this is coated in a whole level of patronising and superiority.

Also, the term macros is used, so you know it's an expert speaking.

Flint Fredstone

dub_skav wrote: »

Also, the term macros is used, so you know it's an expert speaking.

He's probably a PT, did a course like...

Wibbs

Flint Fredstone wrote: »

He's probably a PT, did a course like...

Yep, the true evangelists. And by christ they'd bore the skin of you in the majority of cases. Do NOT get me started on those cretins peddling the "paleo" diet and other such quackery. Misinformed mountebanks the lot of them.

pumpkin4life

Posted this in another thread:

pumpkin4life wrote: »

Trumpett:

I went from being overweight to normal weight by:

1: Eating and drinking low carb. Ketogenic/paleo/atkins, all be grand. I eat meat, green veg, eggs, cheese and low carb peanut butter.

2: Lift weights a few times a week. Stick with compounds, so deadlift, squat and bench.

I don't count calories, I eat as much food as I want and I'm around 10-12% bodyfat as of now. This seems to be controversial advice because a lot of people want to look like they're helping, rather than actually helping. I've been really heavy, I've been there and yeah, it's fùcking shìte out and you'll get some passive aggressive lads along the way, but don't give up and stick with it.

Best of luck.

pumpkin4life wrote: »

So whats worked for me very well:

1: Psychology and mindset. I hate the idea of counting calories because that means restriction. Restriction means using up valuable willpower and using up willpower means you have a bad day and then you binge on junk food and you don't hold to the diet. So, instead of saying "I'm not allowed to eat high carb foods" you say to yourself "I'm allowed to eat as much delicious steak, cheese, whiskey, tomatoes, eggs etc as I want". *

2: Lunch and business travel. Stick with salads, salad bar and cheese if your place has a canteen. If not, lunchbox with food the day before. If you're at a restaurant, order the biggest steak you can get. If you're going drinking, order whiskey straight. No one's ever batted an eyelid with myself tbh. The few who do = "yeah I'm involved in a lot of sports and this is my diet for it". Problem solved if you're worrying about it. And you don't have to go nuts with zero carbs. If someone offers you a bit of office birthday cake, no problem at all like.

If you're genetically blessed you can probably afford to go with around 100 carbs a day. A genetically predisposed towards obesity lad like myself should probably stick with 50 carbs or less a day.

*I've found this a really good way to give up addictive stuff in general. If you can substitute one addiction for another much smaller one or fool your brain so there is no willpower involved and youre in self indulgence do what you want mode, its far easier to give things up.

That's it, and it works. Don't be one of the aggressive health bores. Get a system in place and stick to it. Then have fun outside of that without being hung up and you're laughing.

pumpkin4life

Wibbs wrote: »

Yep, the true evangelists. And by christ they'd bore the skin of you in the majority of cases. Do NOT get me started on those cretins peddling the "paleo" diet and other such quackery. Misinformed mountebanks the lot of them.

Disagree with this.

That kind of diet (I don't eat paleo ftr) saved my ass and it worked far better than any counting calories/macro bullshìt did before.

rustynutz

The conspiracy theorist in me thinks a lot of the obesity problems in developed countries is driven by big business and the pharma sector. If governments wanted to they could tackle the amount of calorie dense and processed food that's available on the market, but that wouldn't be good for the big food giants, it also wouldn't be good for the pharma companies who get paid billions to treat type 2 diabetes and all the other ailments associated with obesity.

Now where's my tinfoil hat? 😊

I would be strongly in favour of a sugar and processed food tax, but ONLY if the tax on fresh meat, fruit, vegetables etc. was reduced considerably as an incentive. Again if the political will was there it shouldn't be that complicated, I'm sure it would take a considerable burden off the health service inside 10 years

the beer revolu

rustynutz wrote: »

The conspiracy theorist in me thinks a lot of the obesity problems in developed countries is driven by big business and the pharma sector. If governments wanted to they could tackle the amount of calorie dense and processed food that's available on the market, but that wouldn't be good for the big food giants, it also wouldn't be good for the pharma companies who get paid billions to treat type 2 diabetes and all the other ailments associated with obesity.

Now where's my tinfoil hat? 😊

I would be strongly in favour of a sugar and processed food tax, but ONLY if the tax on fresh meat, fruit, vegetables etc. was reduced considerably as an incentive. Again if the political will was there it shouldn't be that complicated, I'm sure it would take a considerable burden off the health service inside 10 years

Fresh meat, fruit, veg etc have no VAT on them.

Biscuits, sweet etc do

Hande hoche!

What's wrong with decent quality sausages?

whoopsadoodles

rustynutz wrote: »

The conspiracy theorist in me thinks a lot of the obesity problems in developed countries is driven by big business and the pharma sector. If governments wanted to they could tackle the amount of calorie dense and processed food that's available on the market, but that wouldn't be good for the big food giants, it also wouldn't be good for the pharma companies who get paid billions to treat type 2 diabetes and all the other ailments associated with obesity.

Now where's my tinfoil hat? 😊

Watch Fed Up on netflix and you wont be so sure you're mad.

Smoked Tuna

pumpkin4life wrote: »

Posted this in another thread:





That's it, and it works. Don't be one of the aggressive health bores. Get a system in place and stick to it. Then have fun outside of that without being hung up and you're laughing.

Think your mixing your BMI and body fat percentage up. Typo I assume.

pumpkin4life

Smoked Tuna wrote: »

Think your mixing your BMI and body fat percentage up. Typo I assume.

Yep. Typo. I'll edit it there.

Smoked Tuna

pumpkin4life wrote: »

Disagree with this.

That kind of diet (I don't eat paleo ftr) saved my ass and it worked far better than any counting calories/macro bullshìt did before.

That's not bull****, it's science.

Counting calories works. For the majority of people it's energy in vs energy out.

The food you've been eating however makes it less likely to over eat.

pumpkin4life

Smoked Tuna wrote: »

That's not bull****, it's science.

Counting calories works. For the majority of people it's energy in vs energy out.

The food you've been eating however makes it less likely to over eat.

It's far more complicated than that.

If you eat less (calorie counting) what happens is that the metabolic rate, the amount of calories you burn at rest, slows the fùck right down. A lower metabolic rate, besides making you feel fatigued and cold, also means that weight loss stalls, since your has adjusted its burn rate lower to match the number of calories taken in. Easier to become more depressed, less energy for this reason.

That's the first problem.

The second problem is willpower. Denying yourself food means that you will one day give up and indulge. Hunger and bad thinking is a great way for you to cave in.

I guess having done both myself and seen great results in this and in othesr, I'm increasingly skeptical about calories in/out, especially because your body is a non linear system which doesn't seem to obey the laws of thermodynamics.

But hey, thats my opinion and thats what worked for me. Might not work for others, but considering obesity rates are going up like mad, there's something big to this imo.

Shenshen

pumpkin4life wrote: »

It's far more complicated than that.

If you eat less (calorie counting) what happens is that the metabolic rate, the amount of calories you burn at rest, slows the fùck right down. A lower metabolic rate, besides making you feel fatigued and cold, also means that weight loss stalls, since your has adjusted its burn rate lower to match the number of calories taken in. Easier to become more depressed, less energy for this reason.

That's the first problem.

The second problem is willpower. Denying yourself food means that you will one day give up and indulge. Hunger and bad thinking is a great way for you to cave in.

I guess having done both myself and seen great results in this and in othesr, I'm increasingly skeptical about calories in/out, especially because your body is a non linear system which doesn't seem to obey the laws of thermodynamics.

But hey, thats my opinion and thats what worked for me. Might not work for others, but considering obesity rates are going up like mad, there's something big to this imo.

The problem with calories in vs calories out is not that it doesn't work. It's the only thing that DOES work. The problem is that it's rather hard to find out how many calories are going out, and that this number can and does change and fluctuate, so it's not easy to determine how many calories can go in at any given time.

If you wanted to develop a good method for losing weight, these two numbers would have to be the basis to use.
If you just want to go out and try a few methods, of course these numbers will be of little relevance to you personally, the only number that matters in this case is what your scales show you.

So it's a fantastic one-off example, well done, but it's not something I'd be happy to base medical advice on.

storker

Wibbs wrote: »

Like I noted on another thread where a few crawthumpers were peddling their virtue and polishing their halos it's easy to see where the church got its foot soldiers and zealots in times past.

Nailed it. It seems that one thing the human race will never be short of is people who just can't stand the way other people live.