This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

unkel

Very much a local runabout so

Markcheese

Is there anything that can be done with a battery that low ? As in looking for and replacing a dodgy cell ?
Or is it if one goes the others aren't gonna be far off ?

unkel

The battery can be tested at module level, you can replace modules, these sell from about USD50 on eBay (there are 48 of them in a 24kWh Leaf iirc). You could DIY or there are some specialist independent companies now that could do that for you. You could even upgrade the entire pack with a much newer, but better 30kWh pack. Again, could even be done DIY, someone posted a good video about it the other day

That said, this car is cheap for a reason. If you need one with a better battery chemistry, lower degradation and thus higher range, you're probably better off upping your budget by a couple of grand and buying a 141 car

the_amazing_raisin

KCross wrote: »

Looks like its down to 5 bars so down 55% :eek:

About 10kWh usable.

I counted 6, there's 2 red at the bottom and 4 white


I think the top bar is worth something like 15% and the others are 7.something%


So more like 45% of usable battery


Still, it's cheap to buy and run and if it gets you where you need then it's a good 2nd car


Assuming 10,000km per year it'll probably pay for itself over a €1000 banger in about 2-3 years

the_amazing_raisin

Markcheese wrote: »

Is there anything that can be done with a battery that low ? As in looking for and replacing a dodgy cell ?
Or is it if one goes the others aren't gonna be far off ?

In theory they should all be roughly as bad as each other, assuming the degradation is down to wear and not a bad module. Leafspy output would probably tell you what's up, if one of the modules has significantly lower voltage then it's probably a bad module


In terms of replacement, Nissan are no good since it's out of warranty, so you'd be looking at and independent mechanic or DIY job. If you got a new module, it has to be from a 24kWh Leaf, the modules from the 30kWh or newer won't work, they're a different design


Probably the cheapest pack I've seen going is a 30kWh one on Ebay for around £3500
https://www.ebay.co.uk/i/254762022784


Looking around you might find cheaper.


Assuming you did the install yourself, you could have a 30kWh Leaf for €7000, which isn't bad, probably about €3,000 below what they're going for used



There's plenty of videos in d'internet showing how it's done and it seems fairly straightforward, the trickiest part is probably lifting the car and moving a 300kg battery around

slave1

unkel wrote: »

2013 Leaf asking €3,950. High miler, but from a garage, so with warranty. Doesn't mention how many bars left. Get a few hundred quid off and you have a very low total cost of ownership motor with extremely low running costs. Claim your €600 subsidy for a home charge point too, so if you're clever you can have that installed free of charge. Decent entry into EVnomics

Linky

Almost worth it just for the batteries.....

unkel

cruisey1987 wrote: »

Assuming 10,000km per year it'll probably pay for itself over a €1000 banger in about 2-3 years

Without having done the sums, I'd say even over just a year it would have a lower TCO than a €1000 banger

Lower depreciation (even worst case scenario the 48 battery modules are worth about €45 each), lower tax, lower insurance, no maintenance and almost zero fuel cost

ELM327

You could also take it to muxsan and make it a 30/40/62

the_amazing_raisin

slave1 wrote: »

Almost worth it just for the batteries.....

Especially if it did turn out to be a bad module and the rest were in fairly decent nick. Could use the good modules for solar batteries and sell the shell of the car for parts

the_amazing_raisin

ELM327 wrote: »

You could also take it to muxsan and make it a 30/40/62

True, but would it be cheaper than a 30kWh Leaf?


It'll still be valued as a 2013 Leaf even with a battery swap. I imagine only experienced EV owners would even consider a car that's had a battery replacement


I think a lot of folks would see it the same as an ICE car that's had an engine replacement. It's a strike against the car rather than points for it

KCross

cruisey1987 wrote: »

I counted 6, there's 2 red at the bottom and 4 white


I think the top bar is worth something like 15% and the others are 7.something%


So more like 45% of usable battery

Nah, its down to 5.

Take a look at your own Leaf. The top bar is around half way down the petrol pump icon.... thats 5 bars left.

Top bar is 15% and then 6.25% for each bar after that. Its lost 7 bars so thats 53% guaranteed loss and who knows how far into the next bar it has gone so 55% is a good estimate as to how much it has lost.

Its under ~10kWh usable left at this stage. Being an older Leaf with no heat pump its not going to go far in winter with the heaters on.

ELM327

cruisey1987 wrote: »

True, but would it be cheaper than a 30kWh Leaf?


It'll still be valued as a 2013 Leaf even with a battery swap. I imagine only experienced EV owners would even consider a car that's had a battery replacement


I think a lot of folks would see it the same as an ICE car that's had an engine replacement. It's a strike against the car rather than points for it

I think the cost was about 6k for the 30kWh upgrade from Muksan.

Thierry12

KCross wrote: »

Nah, its down to 5.

Take a look at your own Leaf. The top bar is around half way down the petrol pump icon.... thats 5 bars left.

Top bar is 15% and then 6.25% for each bar after that. Its lost 7 bars so thats 53% guaranteed loss and who knows how far into the next bar it has gone so 55% is a good estimate as to how much it has lost.

Its under ~10kWh usable left at this stage. Being an older Leaf with no heat pump its not going to go far in winter with the heaters on.

On the brightside

You have the only fast charging Leaf in the world ;-)

3hrs to full on home charger
30 mins to full on 50kW DC

unkel

And now for something completely different. A fully electric car, no NCT needed, very cheap to insure and just €56 in motor tax for the year. A grand little local runabout

For just €600!



Linky


Is there a caveat? Yes for that price of course there is. There is no battery. But that is not much of a problem. Originally it uses good quality fork lift truck 6V lead acid traction batteries (8 of them in series). These are very expensive to buy new, but the good news is that LiFePo4 batteries are a perfect drop in replacement. These are quite good value now. For me it would just be a case of unplugging my power wall (home attached) battery, and sticking it into the car, so no extra cost involved at all :cool:

The car is in Cork, which is not so handy when you're in Dublin and there is a national lock down. And I already have two cars and I only need one, otherwise I would have been very tempted

drunkmonkey

That's some sales pitch for the worst car in the world I have to hand it to you..:D

liamog

unkel wrote: »

The car is in Cork, which is not so handy when you're in Dublin and there is a national lock down. And I already have two cars and I only need one, otherwise I would have been very tempted

I suspect your daughter is very happy she won't be given this for her learner car

Kramer

drunkmonkey wrote: »

That's some sales pitch for the worst car in the world I have to hand it to you..:D

Good job face coverings are mandatory - I'd be mortified being seen getting out of that .
Is it even a car? Does Noddy know his car has been stolen?

No, I'd be in a full balaclava if I was driving that.

Does it have pedals unkel?

drunkmonkey

Could launch a new youtube channel with it. Noddy on cars.

Kramer

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Could launch a new youtube channel with it. Noddy on cars.

:pac:

NIMAN

2018 Kia Soul, 13000 miles
£14495, located in UK
I'm sure a bit of negotiation would get it under 14k

https://www.speakev.com/threads/2018-grey-kia-soul-ev-33kwh-30kwh-version-battery-cooled-%C2%A314-495.151081/

unkel

Kia Soul EV is a decent EV, same battery and drive train as "classic" Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh, so a very smooth and efficient setup and extremely well built car. For quite some time, South Korean cars have had the most precise manufacturing and thus the best best quality, great reliability and the fewest panel gaps in the automotive industry. Now obviously the Soul does not have the aerodynamics of Ioniq so motorway range at 120km/h will be a good bit less

At that price, that's a nice find!

oinkely

NIMAN wrote: »

2018 Kia Soul, 13000 miles
£14495, located in UK
I'm sure a bit of negotiation would get it under 14k

https://www.speakev.com/threads/2018-grey-kia-soul-ev-33kwh-30kwh-version-battery-cooled-%C2%A314-495.151081/

I've an eye on these, as i think they look great. Could replace the wife's leaf with it and come up a few years. No need for the extra range though, a leaf 24 does everything we need. They come up regularly enough on Drivegreens website around that or a little bit more, maybe 15k. Won't be doing anything in the short term though with current restrictions.

unkel

If the Leaf does the job, I would just keep it. You will be saving significant money compared to upgrading. Use the savings for your next upgrade or for other more important things in your life :-)

slave1

Agreed, keep the Leaf, it's a super comfortable city or short spin car and when those 24 batteries die and the rest of the car in good nick just swap in a new battery pack, that's my long term plan with our L30, actually that's my plan with the Tesla too but that battery replacement is a loooonnngg way away

slave1

Standard delivery Leaf 40 Acenta, £22,963. UK based, may suit NI based....

https://www.new-car-discount.com/car/nissan/leaf-hatchback/hatchback/electric/automatic/110kw-acenta-40kwh-5dr-auto/18/

T-b0n3

https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/used/5YJSB7E20GF140597

Latest CPO, not the cheapest we've seen recently, but it's a face-lift 2016.

slave1

Jazuz, prices and CPO warranty gone to the dogs, think we can truly close the doors on all Tesla UK imports, glad for all of us that managed to snag one before it all went loo la

unkel

Even a one year warranty is fine. But indeed, next month is the last month for Tesla imports from the UK. And giving that the process for CPO Teslas can easily take 3-4 weeks. If you want one, you need to get one very soon.

KCross

unkel wrote: »

But indeed, next month is the last month for Tesla imports from the UK.

On the basis of a no deal brexit?

I’d say UK are about to blink first. A deal will be done and who knows what that will include.

unkel

Let's hope so KCross. We will all be better off in Ireland if there is a deal.