Is Sinn Fein right? (The Stack Issue)

FrancieBrady

billy few mates wrote: »

No, I said he 'more or less' admitted it....

Where did he do this.
Simple enough link to provide, let others judge what you mean by 'more or less'.

billy few mates

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Where did he do this.
Simple enough link to provide, let others judge what you mean by 'more or less'.

I think everybody is more than familiar with meaning of the phrase 'more or less', you yourself used it in the post directly above mine where you said...

Listen carefully to Ian Paisley in the last months of his life, he more or less admits that it was the sectarian bigoted governance of the statelet that caused it, or was to 'blame and the government that shored it up

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=101995573&postcount=794

Or would you like to provide a link to this to 'let others judge what you mean by the phrase...?

johnnyskeleton

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Please stop taking swipes at each other. If you can't debate civilly please don't post at all.

FrancieBrady

billy few mates wrote: »

I think everybody is more than familiar with meaning of the phrase 'more or less', you yourself used it in the post directly above mine where you said...




http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=101995573&postcount=794

Or would you like to provide a link to this to 'let others judge what you mean by the phrase...?

Here is the link:
http://www.upi.com/Ian-Paisley-Catholics-treated-unfairly-in-1960s-Northern-Ireland/34171389336095/

Here is the interview where he says it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2xNHqJB6vI

Treating the members of another religion unfairly and discriminating against them because of religion is 'sectarian'. Sectarianism is 'bigoted'. Therefore it is fair to say that Ian Paisley 'more or less admits that it was sectarian bigoted governance that caused the conflict'.


Now can you show where Adams 'more or less admitted there was bigotry and hatred in equal measures on both sides of the divide...'

I am particularly interested in where he says it was 'equal'.

billy few mates

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Here is the link:
http://www.upi.com/Ian-Paisley-Catholics-treated-unfairly-in-1960s-Northern-Ireland/34171389336095/

Here is the interview where he says it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2xNHqJB6vI

Treating the members of another religion unfairly and discriminating against them because of religion is 'sectarian'. Sectarianism is 'bigoted'. Therefore it is fair to say that Ian Paisley 'more or less admits that it was sectarian bigoted governance that caused the conflict'.


Now can you show where Adams 'more or less admitted there was bigotry and hatred in equal measures on both sides of the divide...'

I am particularly interested in where he says it was 'equal'.

Hmmm, bit of a stretch.... :rolleyes:

FrancieBrady

billy few mates wrote: »

Hmmm, bit of a stretch.... :rolleyes:

I'll let people judge for themselves who is backing up what they are saying and who isn't.

FrancieBrady

As this story has almost completely disappeared and yet another family are left in a sad and tragic void.
Has anyone changed their mind on this way of dealing with the past?
To return to the OP is Adams right:

“If the Taoiseach and Micheál Martin are interested in healing the legacy of the past for all families, including the Stacks, the Finucane’s, the families of the Dublin Monaghan bombs and hundreds more, then they could begin by putting in place an International based independent truth recovery process,”

Godge

FrancieBrady wrote: »

As this story has almost completely disappeared and yet another family are left in a sad and tragic void.
Has anyone changed their mind on this way of dealing with the past?
To return to the OP is Adams right:

Of course Adams is wrong.

Firstly, not one normal person would ever believe that SF/IRA are capable of telling the truth in respect of the terrorist campaign in the North, which is why there is little point to it.

Secondly, quite a number of the most serious and grievous crimes committed by SF/IRA would have to be left out of the process - Jean McConville, Jerry McCabe, Austin Stack, Mairia Cahill, Aine Adams, Paudie McGahon, kangaroo courts, drug-smuggling, diesel-laundering etc. - because they are either war crimes or outside of the conflict if you use SF's definition of the conflict.

FrancieBrady

Godge wrote: »

Of course Adams is wrong.

Firstly, not one normal person would ever believe that SF/IRA are capable of telling the truth in respect of the terrorist campaign in the North, which is why there is little point to it.

IRA have done what they said they would do as far as I can see (not to be confused with what you think they should do).
Decommissioned = check
ICLVR = satisfied they have done their best.
Information= given what they have said they would.

'Normal' people may be allowing myths to cloud their judgement, which would not be abnormal?

secondly, quite a number of the most serious and grievous crimes committed by SF/IRA would have to be left out of the process - Jean McConville, Jerry McCabe, Austin Stack, Mairia Cahill, Aine Adams, Paudie McGahon, kangaroo courts, drug-smuggling, diesel-laundering etc. - because they are either war crimes or outside of the conflict if you use SF's definition of the conflict.

Not for you to decide as far as I know. Conflict related is the criteria.