Is Sinn Fein right? (The Stack Issue)

Wheeliebin30

Johndoe86 wrote: »

Are you referring to Maria Cahill? I actually do believe that she was raped but her hate for the IRA is because her grandfather was a leading provisional (dead at the time) and the IRA didn't kill her rapist. I'd put money on it that she wanted that kangaroo court

Oh dear.

FrancieBrady

marienbad wrote: »

If the GAA covered up for them what would you say ?

Disband the entire management of the organisation and start again.
Imprison the ringleaders of the cover up.

marienbad

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Disband the entire management of the organisation and start again.
Imprison the ringleaders of the cover up.

So why is GA still head of SF ?

marienbad

Johndoe86 wrote: »

Are you referring to Maria Cahill? I actually do believe that she was raped but her hate for the IRA is because her grandfather was a leading provisional (dead at the time) and the IRA didn't kill her rapist. I'd put money on it that she wanted that kangaroo court

Dreadful stuff , did you not pause for thought for a second as you typed this ?

FrancieBrady

marienbad wrote: »

So why is GA still head of SF ?

Was it two or three inquiries that found he had no case to answer?

I would be more interested in sacking or even imprisoning the police who as we know were more interested in getting Gerry than the crime committed here.

Adams made huge personal mistakes, of that there is no doubt.

Itssoeasy

Johndoe86 wrote: »

marienbad wrote: »

If the GAA covered up for them what would you say ?

Are you referring to Maria Cahill? I actually do believe that she was raped but her hate for the IRA is because her grandfather was a leading provisional (dead at the time) and the IRA didn't kill her rapist. I'd put money on it that she wanted that kangaroo court

Ah stop it please.

FrancieBrady

I asked a question a while back that was related to the thread topic nd I think only one person had a go. I'll ask again.
How many are in favour of full disclosure in relation to the conflict and whose responsibility is it to set it up?

Itssoeasy

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Itssoeasy wrote: »

A organisation that relied on secrecy and silence let an alledged non member into high ranking meetings in the 1970s ?

Jesus your last paragraph you'd swear he was the second coming. Gerry Adams isn't half the man John Hume is. I actually respect John Hume.

Hume was useful in the end but never forget he had to go on a solo run to do what he did. His party didn't favour it, prefering to not rock any boats and keep the comfy seats. The electorate showed them what they thought of that, when we finally got near to normal elections.

Jesus the disdain for John Hume is ridiculous. Francie let me guess Gerry the great did it all single handed did he ?
What normal elections ? Northern Ireland isnt a normal place in terms of election or government.

FrancieBrady

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Ah stop it please.

On a point of order here (saying as they are the in thing ATM ) she did ask the IRA to deal with it. She wouldn't go to what she, SF and almost every nationalist believed ( and indeed the inquiry into the Liam Adams case years later) was a partisan and sectarian Unionist controlled police force. Which was totally reformed and renamed in disgrace.

Itssoeasy

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I asked a question a while back that was related to the thread topic nd I think only one person had a go. I'll ask again.
How many are in favour of full disclosure in relation to the conflict and whose responsibility is it to set it up?

Well Francie you've not answered several questions in this thread so I wouldn't be throwing stones.
It's the British and Irish governments to set it up in the north NOT the whole island of Ireland.
Also seeing as I'm answering your question what radio station and what show discussed the truth recovery commission today ?

FrancieBrady

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Jesus the disdain for John Hume is ridiculous. Francie let me guess Gerry the great did it all single handed did he ?
What normal elections ? Northern Ireland is a normal place in terms of election or government.

I have a lot of time for Hume actually. He made a brave leap, but he made it alone. His party were not behind him.
When your reps are being harassed and shot and you face misinformation campaigns and censorship, elections are not normal.

marienbad

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Was it two or three inquiries that found he had no case to answer?

I would be more interested in sacking or even imprisoning the police who as we know were more interested in getting Gerry than the crime committed here.

Adams made huge personal mistakes, of that there is no doubt.

you already admit GA covered up child abuse ,So double standards then

FrancieBrady

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Well Francie you've not answered several questions in this thread so I wouldn't be throwing stones.
It's the British and Irish governments to set it up in the north NOT the whole island of Ireland.
Also seeing as I'm answering your question what radio station and what show discussed the truth recovery commission today ?

So the Stormont House Agreement was a fiction? Oh dear you are in for a surprise so.
I have no idea why the family I know have been compiling files on there case in advance of the process laid out in the SHA.

I was in several different places this morning, as far as I know it was Martin Manseragh and it could have been Sean ORohrke. Not 100% though. The SHA is really a!l you need.

FrancieBrady

marienbad wrote: »

you already admit GA covered up child abuse ,So double standards then

Deliberately covering up child abuse is illegal and I would expect anyone who did it to face prosecution.
Adams made mistakes on how he handled this, has addressed all this. And we have gone over this.

Can you answer what I asked a few posts ago.

marienbad

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Deliberately covering up child abuse is illegal and I would expect anyone who did it to face prosecution.
Adams made mistakes on how he handled this, has addressed all this. And we have gone over this.

Can you answer what I asked a few posts ago.

He did deliberately cover up child abuse , He admitted that himself . Are you saying because he was not found guilty in a court of same it doesn't count ?

FrancieBrady

marienbad wrote: »

He did deliberately cover up child abuse , He admitted that himself . Are you saying because he was not found guilty in a court of same it doesn't count ?

No, I am not saying that.
As far as I know he didn't say he did it deliberately, it was because of the difficulty of what he was dealing with. A family situation. He didn't break the law, you'll have to explain why he isn't in jail if he did. Because I can't.
You can adopt a humane attitude to his decision-making or set the attack dogs. I have made my decision on it.

As I have already been rapped on the knuckles for being way off topic, I am not discussing this, unless it is relevant to the thread. So if you have any more questions on this open a thread dedicated to it.

marienbad

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No, I am not saying that.
As far as I know he didn't say he did it deliberately, it was because of the difficulty of what he was dealing with. A family situation. He didn't break the law, you'll have to explain why he isn't in jail if he did. Because I can't.
You can adopt a humane attitude to his decision-making or set the attack dogs. I have made my decision on it.

As I have already been rapped on the knuckles for being way off topic, I am not discussing this, unless it is relevant to the thread. So if you have any more questions on this open a thread dedicated to it.

As I said then double standards then

FrancieBrady

marienbad wrote: »

As I said then double standards then

Like committing to set up a much needed truth recovery process for victims and then welching on it because you have too much to hide?

Any invective about that?

marienbad

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Like committing to set up a much needed truth recovery process for victims and then welching on it because you have too much to hide?

Any invective about that?

I rarely if ever use invective Francie .

FrancieBrady

marienbad wrote: »

I rarely if ever use invective Francie .

Well any opinion at all would be relevant, no?

marienbad

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Well any opinion at all would be relevant, no?

On your truth recovery process ? Well I don't see too much point . I doubt we could even agree what words to use .

FrancieBrady

marienbad wrote: »

On your truth recovery process ? Well I don't see too much point . I doubt we could even agree what words to use .

So that would be a no.
And these families will be forgotten until there is some capital to be made out of another one that meets certain criteria. They must be the victim of only one side.

billy few mates

Read this forensically (if necessary) and see if you can spot the glaringly obvious reason why we can't have a 'truth' commission any time soon Francie...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/08_10_2013_cross_exam_gerry_adams.pdf

marienbad

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So that would be a no.
And these families will be forgotten until there is some capital to be made out of another one that meets certain criteria. They must be the victim of only one side.

No it would not be a no Francie , it would be a no to a discussion on your terms and with your vocabulary

FrancieBrady

billy few mates wrote: »

Read this forensically (if necessary) and see if you can spot the glaringly obvious reason why we can't have a 'truth' commission any time soon Francie...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/08_10_2013_cross_exam_gerry_adams.pdf

Open another thread Billy, and tell us were he lied in that and then explain why he isn't in jail for it after two or three inquiries conducted by people who know how to forensically test statements and evidence?

Are you a yes or a no on the question I asked btrw?

oscarBravo

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Like committing to set up a much needed truth recovery process for victims...

The Stormont House Agreement doesn't commit to setting up a truth recovery process. It may seem like a pedantic point, but those words don't appear in it.

I don't recall which of the SHA commitments you said you were referring to when you talk about a truth and recovery process, but if you're going to talk about the governments committing to something, it's only fair to be clear on what it is they committed to.

FrancieBrady

marienbad wrote: »

No it would not be a no Francie , it would be a no to a discussion on your terms and with your vocabulary

Ye what now?
I won't be anywhere near the terms.
So that's a yes?

FrancieBrady

oscarBravo wrote: »

The Stormont House Agreement doesn't commit to setting up a truth recovery process. It may seem like a pedantic point, but those words don't appear in it.

I don't recall which of the SHA commitments you said you were referring to when you talk about a truth and recovery process, but if you're going to talk about the governments committing to something, it's only fair to be clear on what it is they committed to.

Okay, point taken. On my phone again, is it Information Retrieval?

Edit: went back there, it is modelled on the ICLVR. The ICIR to achieve the same thing, to provide families with information on how their loved one's died. SF where on board with this until the British decided they couldn't disclose fully after all, while expecting everyone else to.

Jawgap

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I asked a question a while back that was related to the thread topic nd I think only one person had a go. I'll ask again.
How many are in favour of full disclosure in relation to the conflict and whose responsibility is it to set it up?

Yeah, I believe I was one of the people you asked.

But I realised who you were in a 'previous' incarnation and decided to step away from the thread......

FrancieBrady

I'm beginning to think that there are a lot of people who 'can't handle the truth' and would really prefer to leave some people behind on the road to recovery and normalisation.

Enda and Michael must realise there is a constituency out there/gallery to play to