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Should the GAA drop playing the national Anthem

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    #32
    CrabRevolution
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    I wouldn't be too opposed to the idea, but it's very naive and wishful to think it would make the slightest bit of difference to how unionists perceive the GAA.


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    #33
    fryup
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    Grayson wrote: »

    Maybe they should get rid of it. Or maybe they should play both it and God Save the Queen before games that the northern counties are playing in.

    ya i'm sure that will go down well in Casement Park :cool:


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    #34
    a very cool kid
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    They definitely should not drop Amhrán na bhFiann for matches played including Irish players or hosted in Ireland.

    The best comparison is to the NFL and their anthem playing rules I think.


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    #35
    Arcade_Tryer
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    NiallBoo wrote: »

    I don't think the haka is a good comparison - people love watching it and I doubt it would have become such a thing if it weren't for that.
    It's a challenge and show of respect to your rivals, which I think better fits a sporting event. and it's certainly something that's been questioned.
    It's ridiculous. And even more ridiculous is that opposition teams indulge it, never mind respect it.


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    #36
    JJEP
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    I don't understand what the problem is with playing the Irish anthem at a traditional Irish game in Ireland? Has logic been replaced with something ?


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    #37
    Arcade_Tryer
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    JJEP wrote: »
    I don't understand what the problem is with playing the Irish anthem at a traditional Irish game in Ireland? Has logic been replaced with something ?
    Anthem's are outdated anyway.

    The GAA should start playing Ireland's Call instead. A much more suitable song. And the lyrics make more sense in the modern era.


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    #38
    JJEP
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    Maybe. Can't see point in just having it a game without reference to Ireland though.


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    #39
    Ken.
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    Mod-Poll added for the craic.


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    #40
    K-9
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    The Orange Order will change traditions too I'm sure.

    The playing of the anthem at a game in the 6 counties is a special part of the GAA and being a nationalist, when N.I. was a sectarian statelet it was one of the things that was a reminder of their Irish identity.

    Just leave it be, there's no need to change tradition and culture just for the sake of it, let others respect different traditions.

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    #41
    Arcade_Tryer
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    K-9 wrote: »
    The Orange Order will change traditions too I'm sure.
    Ugh. That's like people defending Western countries (e.g. France recently) violating people's rights by referencing how the middle east (e.g. Saudi Arabia) is much worse.
    The playing of the anthem at a game in the 6 counties is a special part of the GAA and being a nationalist, when N.I. was a sectarian statelet it was one of the things that was a reminder of their Irish identity.
    The sooner the GAA and every other aspect of society separates from nationalism the better.


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    #42
    DEFTLEFTHAND
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    Arcade_Tryer wrote: »
    It's ridiculous. And even more ridiculous is that opposition teams indulge it, never mind respect it.

    A few Aussies over the years have spoken out against the haka. If memory serves me correct Michael Lynagh was one such aussie

    He suggested that the kiwis and the Pacific Island countries perform their rituals in the dressing room where they belong, and stop holding up the game and wasting everybody's time.


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    #43
    The flying mouse
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    Oops I voted yes & I intended to vote No.


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    #44
    [Deleted User]
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    Grayson wrote: »
    However GAA sports are to a certain extend sectarian. They were officially sectarian for a long time


    Oh please. Please cite this "sectarian" rule. It doesn't exist, and it never existed. Unless you're going to contend that banning members of the British Crown Forces of occupation constitutes banning a "sect".
    Grayson wrote: »
    Or maybe they should play both it and God Save the Queen before games that the northern counties are playing in.

    Yes, because playing an anthem that glorifies a ragingly sectarian and explicitly anti-Catholic institution would be a great way for the GAA to counter sectarianism.


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    #45
    Berserker
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    CrabRevolution wrote: »
    I wouldn't be too opposed to the idea, but it's very naive and wishful to think it would make the slightest bit of difference to how unionists perceive the GAA.

    Correct. The GAA has an awful lot to do to improve how it is viewed by Unionists. They should rename all of the facilities that are named after Irish republican terrorists and also issue a statement condemning Irish republican terrorism and clubs who have named their facilities after them.
    K-9 wrote: »
    The Orange Order will change traditions too I'm sure.

    This thread is about the GAA. Let's focus on them, for a change.


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    #46
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    Berserker wrote: »
    Correct. The GAA has an awful lot to do to improve how it is viewed by Unionists. They should rename all of the facilities that are named after Irish republican terrorists and also issue a statement condemning Irish republican terrorism and clubs who have named their facilities after them.

    How about we do this after all your crowd take the Royal/Victoria/Albert/Elizabeth etc out of the names of institutions, streets, roads, parks and everywhere else you've imposed your backward sectarian colonial herrenvolk cult?

    Then come back to us.


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    #47
    Mortpourvelo
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    How about we do this after all your crowd take the Royal/Victoria/Albert/Elizabeth etc out of the names of institutions, streets, roads, parks and everywhere else you've imposed your backward sectarian colonial herrenvolk cult?

    Then come back to us.

    Well said. Passed three places just this morning with "Royal" in the title.


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    #48
    Mortpourvelo
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    Berserker wrote: »
    Correct. The GAA has an awful lot to do to improve how it is viewed by Unionists. They should rename all of the facilities that are named after Irish republican terrorists and also issue a statement condemning Irish republican terrorism and clubs who have named their facilities after them.



    This thread is about the GAA. Let's focus on them, for a change.

    Are you humming The Sash as you type that just out of interest ?


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    #49
    Fratton Fred
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    Mortpourvelo wrote: »
    Well said. Passed three places just this morning with "Royal" in the title.

    they are selling Royal jelly in my local health food shop, the imperialist bastards.


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    #50
    Mantis Toboggan
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    Next they'll have us singing the four proud provinces of Ireland.

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    #51
    A Little Pony
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    Protestants hardly play the sport, although this is probably one of the reasons why. Maybe they should do away with it.


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    #52
    TheRiverman
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    they are selling Royal jelly in my local health food shop, the imperialist bastards.

    Alongside the KY Jelly which is from Kerry:):D:p


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    #53
    The_Kew_Tour
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    Its just the start really for an organisation on the slow downhill. Gaa wont even be the national sport of country in 40-50 years.

    Love the Gaa but they're times when I wonder is the greed they had in past coming back to them.

    From playing point of view the games have never been stronger but the downhill spiral of crowd attendences is a worry and its more worrying when you consider that Dublin have never been stronger and they always get full house


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    #54
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    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    Its just the start really for an organisation on the slow downhill. Gaa wont even be the national sport of country in 40-50 years.

    Entertaining, whatever "it" is. Prediction of GAA demise No. 1782829292 since 1884.
    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    Love the Gaa but they're times when I wonder is the greed they had in past coming back to them.

    Ah "greed". An almost perfect GAA hater's post (with the novel "love the GAA" preface) - it's only missing "Grab All Association", and a reference to Shamrock Rovers and Thomas Davis to make it a perfectly rounded I hate the GAA post.


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    #55
    The_Kew_Tour
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Entertaining, whatever "it" is. Prediction of GAA demise No. 1782829292 since 1884.



    Ah "greed". An almost perfect GAA hater's post (with the novel "love the GAA" preface) - it's only missing "Grab All Association", and a reference to Shamrock Rovers and Thomas Davis to make it a perfectly rounded I hate the GAA post.

    Want to actually discuss this and Shams Davis debate could not give fiddlers about.

    And yes the Gaa is in demise even if you want to ignore it.


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    #56
    Fr D Maugire
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    Personally, I dont really see the need for the National Anthem to be played so often. Before AI finals, fair enough. Other than that, no real need.

    Again, I dont care for anthems of any type, usually am out of the room when they come on before games of any code. I do respect them if I am attending a game though. Just wished they were not played so often, just get on with the games.

    As for Unionists up the North, they will always view GAA as an Irish organisation so will unlikely have anything to do with it regardless of what is changed. Dont they still have to respect the flag and anthem at some international rugby games. Dont even know what the rugby boys do now as for the reasons stated above.

    Some protestants in the Republic play GAA and it is becoming more common, most of them just ignore the symbolism and enjoy it for what is, a community based organisation with a competitive element. I even see some of the younger generation of Protestants wearing our County jersey which has Nationalist colours.

    I would agree with the Church related symbolism fading into the background more, but dont know if I could endorse changing club names after years of having the one name. Our local club is named after our local Saint, even though I am non-religious, I dont think I would want to see the name of the club changed.

    Dont forget we already have GAA clubs named after Prods, Wolfe Tones, Robert Emmetts etc and of course the Sam Maguire Cup.


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    #57
    Berserker
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    A Little Pony wrote: »
    Protestants hardly play the sport, although this is probably one of the reasons why. Maybe they should do away with it.

    Can you provide us with stats to back up that claim?


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    #58
    fryup
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    Fr D Maugire wrote: »
    Some protestants in the Republic play GAA and it is becoming more common, most of them just ignore the symbolism and enjoy it for what is, a community based organisation with a competitive element. I even see some of the younger generation of Protestants wearing our County jersey which has Nationalist colours.
    .

    slightly ignorant that post....

    why wouldn't they wear County jersey with Nationalist colours?? after all the vast majority of Protestants in the republic see themselves as irish you know


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    #59
    DEFTLEFTHAND
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    Our Protestant brothers of the book are very welcome in our club. Sectarianism is not tolerated in any form.

    So please come and join us, the door is open to all. Jewish and Muslim brothers are also welcome.


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    #60
    nice_guy80
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    No


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    #61
    The_Kew_Tour
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    The famous Rackard brothers were Prods.

    Plenty of famous Prods associated with Republican and Gaa.


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