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Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

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    #5102
    carq
    Registered Users Posts: 869 ✭✭✭carq


    Have written to my local TD on the issue.

    If this is brought in I will be holidaying up north and filling the boot on the way home.


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    #5103
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 28,464 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    The Journal running a poll on this ... very poorly worded intro e.g. don't call out no more cans of beer for €1 type offers.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/poll-drink-less-minimum-units-alcohol-5422075-Apr2021/

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #5104
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users Posts: 6,034 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    "Alcohol Action Ireland maintains that with the introduction of MUP, the cheapest available alcohol product in Ireland will still be cheaper than those products in Northern Ireland, as showed by a Department of Finance Tax Strategy Group presentation last July."

    What is hell are they on about?

    How is a €22.09 minimum bottle of whiskey cheaper than than the same bottle at €12.49 in Northern Ireland?


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    #5105
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 13,928 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    As pretty much all of the voting population is against this, and people are disillusioned with the current government, why in god's name do they think it would be a good idea to introduce this now?
    I don't think anything has ever annoyed me more than MUP when it comes to Irish politics, I don't actually miss pubs but f*ck them for lobbying for this and I wont be rushing back to give them my money anyway.


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    #5106
    Antares35
    Registered Users Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    carq wrote: »
    Have written to my local TD on the issue.

    If this is brought in I will be holidaying up north and filling the boot on the way home.

    We will be going to France.* Even if it costs the same or slightly more, I'll do it just so as not to give the f*ckers anything extra.

    *Assuming they don't start tinkering around with that also.


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    #5107
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users Posts: 6,034 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Antares35 wrote: »
    We will be going to France.* Even if it costs the same or slightly more, I'll do it just so as not to give the f*ckers anything extra.

    *Assuming they don't start tinkering around with that also.

    Some plans for that alright but that's down the line


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    #5108
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,775 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Gonna really start stepping up my home brew game, been solely doing wine for a while but definitely moving into beer when im not using the equipment for wine.


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    #5109
    Antares35
    Registered Users Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Gonna really start stepping up my home brew game, been solely doing wine for a while but definitely moving into beer when im not using the equipment for wine.

    Wine home brew - I'm intrigued! :)


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    #5110
    ShamNNspace
    Registered Users Posts: 4,684 ✭✭✭ShamNNspace


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    As pretty much all of the voting population is against this, and people are disillusioned with the current government, why in god's name do they think it would be a good idea to introduce this now?
    I don't think anything has ever annoyed me more than MUP when it comes to Irish politics, I don't actually miss pubs but f*ck them for lobbying for this and I wont be rushing back to give them my money anyway.

    Its only ould overpriced slop anyways they serve in a lot of these places especially in the tourist traps. The monks allways brewed the best alcohol anyway imv so you're halfway there allready


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    #5111
    The One Doctor
    Registered Users Posts: 2,339 ✭✭✭The One Doctor


    Going back to homebrewing soon, mead mainly.


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    #5112
    Bigmac1euro
    Registered Users Posts: 1,458 ✭✭✭Bigmac1euro


    Up the north I go. Once a month should cut it. Not too bad when you think about it. Until they bring it in. I’ll probably stop drinking at home then.


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    #5113
    crossmolinalad
    Registered Users Posts: 837 ✭✭✭crossmolinalad


    Antares35 wrote: »
    We will be going to France.* Even if it costs the same or slightly more, I'll do it just so as not to give the f*ckers anything extra.

    *Assuming they don't start tinkering around with that also.

    Boxes of wine 2.5liter for 6 euro , 24 bottles of beer 50cl 15 euro on the continent
    Buying them for years now there


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    #5114
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 28,464 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    "Alcohol Action Ireland maintains that with the introduction of MUP, the cheapest available alcohol product in Ireland will still be cheaper than those products in Northern Ireland, as showed by a Department of Finance Tax Strategy Group presentation last July."

    What is hell are they on about?

    How is a €22.09 minimum bottle of whiskey cheaper than than the same bottle at €12.49 in Northern Ireland?

    There is no lie Alcohol action won't tell to justify this.
    Their entire argument is built on dishonesty so why not go the whole hog.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #5115
    carq
    Registered Users Posts: 869 ✭✭✭carq


    crossmolinalad wrote: »
    Boxes of wine 2.5liter for 6 euro , 24 bottles of beer 50cl 15 euro on the continent
    Buying them for years now there


    Last time i checked the ferry prices were extortionate - 700 return or something like that. is this still the case?


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    #5116
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 13,928 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I actually wrote to all my TDs about this a few years ago saying they'll never get my vote again over this, it's been going on that long, and I think most of them responded, I remember Richard Bruton said something like sorry but it's for your own good in his response. I just can't believe they are so blind on this matter, f*cking no one wants it to happen.


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    #5117
    Big Gerry
    Registered Users Posts: 764 ✭✭✭Big Gerry




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    #5118
    Big Gerry
    Registered Users Posts: 764 ✭✭✭Big Gerry


    When minimum pricing comes in I can see the black market for drink taking off like a rocket.


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    #5119
    LillySV
    Registered Users Posts: 1,750 ✭✭✭LillySV


    I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.
    A lot of the younger generation already choosing drugs over alcohol .. wait till this happens ... it will push a lot more that way...we will be seeing higher instances of guys walking around like zombies chewing their gums .. on planet zog


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    #5120
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 28,464 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Retail Ireland concerned if this comes in without North adopting similar


    https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0428/1212488-retailers-alcohol/

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #5121
    Suckit
    Registered Users Posts: 11,215 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    Retail Ireland concerned if this comes in without North adopting similar


    https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0428/1212488-retailers-alcohol/
    They were supposed to wait for the North, but the crowd in charge at the minute, know better.
    Somebody started pushing it a few weeks ago, and to be honest, I didn't think he stood a chance in hell in convincing them to plough ahead with it.
    They can try and tax all alcohol coming into the Country if they want (IIRC that goes against EU laws), but there is no way they will be able to stop the importing of it en masse.

    I couldn't hope to guess how this will all pan out, but I know that I will be looking abroad in the EU to import, and while I am at that, I may as well import bulk cheap wine and spirits with other goods.
    The 2nd most expensive place in Europe to buy alcohol introducing MUP to stop the sale of 'cheap' alcohol.
    F**K off.
    You can push too hard, which they may find out.

    One thing I would like to know, does anybody have the figures for alcohol sales in Scotland that were imported in car boots and vans? Are they counted in the overall drop in sales?


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    #5122
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,790 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    I actually wrote to all my TDs about this a few years ago saying they'll never get my vote again over this, it's been going on that long, and I think most of them responded, I remember Richard Bruton said something like sorry but it's for your own good in his response. I just can't believe they are so blind on this matter, f*cking no one wants it to happen.

    Similar response.

    Carbon copy emails from number of TDs.


    It's bizarre how out of touch with reality they are and so off base with their actual facts on consumption they are clearly being fed misinformation from some group or their party.


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    #5123
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users Posts: 15,095 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    listermint wrote: »
    Similar response.

    Carbon copy emails from number of TDs.


    It's bizarre how out of touch with reality they are and so off base with their actual facts on consumption they are clearly being fed misinformation from some group or their party.

    MUP has been on the cards since 2011
    Roisin Shorthall then of the Labour Party was the junior minister for health that started the ball rolling on it.

    So in that time there has been two General Elections and the threat of MUP has been so irrelevant to the political discussion that it has not appeared once as an election issue in all that time.

    No TD is going to lose any significant amounts of votes let alone a seat over the implementation of MUP, regardless of what people here might think.


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    #5124
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 13,928 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    No TD is going to lose any significant amounts of votes let alone a seat over the implementation of MUP, regardless of what people here might think.

    This is true, and because the media are pro pretty much everything the Gov do it will barely get a mention.
    And then we'll just suck it up and accept it and it'll be forgotten about.
    I mean the saloon doors in supermarkets are just embarrassing, why in the f*ck are these zealots getting a say in anything. To think they are legalising cannabis in other countries and we're being nannied like this.


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    #5125
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,790 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    MUP has been on the cards since 2011
    Roisin Shorthall then of the Labour Party was the junior minister for health that started the ball rolling on it.

    So in that time there has been two General Elections and the threat of MUP has been so irrelevant to the political discussion that it has not appeared once as an election issue in all that time.

    No TD is going to lose any significant amounts of votes let alone a seat over the implementation of MUP, regardless of what people here might think.

    MUP has been on the cards of you call the cards hidden under a pile of bricks and we don't talk about it.

    It hasn't appeared as a discussion point because they simply won't talk about it.

    You know this I know this. Its blatantly unpopular has no public support has highly questionable data but has the zealot alcohol lobby and all the other interfere in people's lives religious centric nutters pushing their agenda.

    They've also got the backing of the front vintner's lobby who are widely into party politics in this country.


    It's a charade the whole thing.


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    #5126
    tjhook
    Registered Users Posts: 738 ✭✭✭tjhook


    As it stands, MUP won't affect me. I already pay more than the MUP for the drink I like. And I don't drink that often.

    But to dimmer minds, MUP will be like violence - "If it's not working, it's because you're not using enough of it".

    I can foresee it having no effect on alcohol consumption, otherwise we'd already have the lowest consumption in Europe. So there'll probably be another round of MUP in a year or so. And so on...


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    #5127
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 13,928 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    These clowns at AAI have to earn their grants etc so no doubt they'll be covering half the bottles in pictures of liver disease and god knows what else sooner or later, and they'll be trying to reduce off licence hours. They wont stop at MUP.


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    #5128
    Suckit
    Registered Users Posts: 11,215 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    tjhook wrote: »
    As it stands, MUP won't affect me. I already pay more than the MUP for the drink I like. And I don't drink that often.

    But to dimmer minds, MUP will be like violence - "If it's not working, it's because you're not using enough of it".

    I can foresee it having no effect on alcohol consumption, otherwise we'd already have the lowest consumption in Europe. So there'll probably be another round of MUP in a year or so. And so on...
    It will likely affect you. It causes a price increase on the premium brands too.


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    #5129
    Big Gerry
    Registered Users Posts: 764 ✭✭✭Big Gerry


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    This is true, and because the media are pro pretty much everything the Gov do it will barely get a mention.
    And then we'll just suck it up and accept it and it'll be forgotten about.
    I mean the saloon doors in supermarkets are just embarrassing, why in the f*ck are these zealots getting a say in anything. To think they are legalising cannabis in other countries and we're being nannied like this.


    A lot of people in the Irish media are big coke users so they probably won't notice if the price of drink goes up.


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    #5130
    tjhook
    Registered Users Posts: 738 ✭✭✭tjhook


    Suckit wrote: »
    It will likely affect you. It causes a price increase on the premium brands too.

    Heh, yes, possibly. I don't drink very much though, so I won't notice it.

    I just resent a "health measure" that's really just an excuse to give in to a lobby.


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    #5131
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,790 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    tjhook wrote: »
    As it stands, MUP won't affect me. I already pay more than the MUP for the drink I like. And I don't drink that often.

    But to dimmer minds, MUP will be like violence - "If it's not working, it's because you're not using enough of it".

    I can foresee it having no effect on alcohol consumption, otherwise we'd already have the lowest consumption in Europe. So there'll probably be another round of MUP in a year or so. And so on...

    It will most definitely impact you. As it will most definitely impact me. I drink craft beers of varying varieties. This will allow all producers to move their pricing to to retain the premium margin difference they currently have between their products and the budget brands.

    The notion this won't push premium products up is backed by absolutely no international evidence.


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