Active Shooter on campus. Run Hide Fight.

Agent Coulson

Another campus shooting in America.

https://twitter.com/OSU_EMFP/status/803251348858753024?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Ohio State University

I think the scary/sad thing is these shootings aren't shocking news anymore.

RobertKK

7 people taken to hospital.

A person on CNN said they saw a person very much dead, which CNN were quick to say they could not verify.

ClovenHoof

Gigantic campus that is too.

RobertKK

ClovenHoof wrote: »

Gigantic campus that is too.

Some of these Universities in the US are bigger than some Irish cities.

BorneTobyWilde

Targeting Trump supporters , says twitter twats .

BorneTobyWilde

Misinformation is widespread in these situations.
Everyone knows everything, police and people there know nothing.

Omackeral

We need a megathread or a sticky for these.

Bubbaclaus

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I think the scary/sad thing is these shootings aren't shocking news anymore.

Read earlier that there was 61 people shot over the weekend in Chicago alone.

The US has a major gun problem.

Oodoov

More guns will solve this problem, or something.

kittensmittens

I get the "Run" part of the instruction, I also get the "Hide" part of it.
By why are the telling them to "Fight"?
If they had said "fight for you life"......maybe
But are they instructing these kids to fight the gunman? Certainly could be taken up like that by scared students

midnight city

It's barely news anymore they are so common over there.

Clarebelly

Run Hide Fight?

I'd be more inclined to zig-zag......

Gatling

kittensmittens wrote: »

But are they instructing these kids to fight the gunman? Certainly could be taken up like that by scared students

That's the whole idea ,
Id rather fight than sit there and wait to be executed ,
But there could be off duty law enforcement officers there or people with concealed carry permits for forearms on the campus

FortySeven

Gatling wrote: »

That's the whole idea ,
Id rather fight than sit there and wait to be executed ,
But there could be off duty law enforcement officers there or people with concealed carry permits for forearms on the campus

Bloody hell. They must be big, dangerous forearms.

osarusan

BBC report a suspect* is dead, 9 people injured.

I do not know if there is more than one.

frag420

In my case it wold be run...hide....sh1te!!

Gatling

FortySeven wrote: »

Bloody hell. They must be big, dangerous forearms.

Horlicks .

A decent enough forearm could put most people on their ass

KERSPLAT!

kittensmittens wrote: »

I get the "Run" part of the instruction, I also get the "Hide" part of it.
By why are the telling them to "Fight"?
If they had said "fight for you life"......maybe
But are they instructing these kids to fight the gunman? Certainly could be taken up like that by scared students

Most are reporting "Run, hide, fight" but reading on breaking news Ireland and it's "Run, hide, fight as a last resort".

Can't even begin to imagine how I'd react in that situation

HellSquirrel

kittensmittens wrote: »

I get the "Run" part of the instruction, I also get the "Hide" part of it.
By why are the telling them to "Fight"?
If they had said "fight for you life"......maybe
But are they instructing these kids to fight the gunman? Certainly could be taken up like that by scared students

I'm going to assume it's if you're in a situation where you're absolutely going to get shot, there's nowhere to run or hide - try to fight. I guess their way of putting it is more succinct, but I think if I was in that situation, I wouldn't be parsing the sentence for whether it was advice or instruction.

DivingDuck

"Run Hide Fight" is an abbreviation of the full instructions:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyXIlL7UsAI-oUC.jpg

I believe the full thing is covered in intro/safety classes on arrival.

nelly17

DivingDuck wrote: »

"Run Hide Fight" is an abbreviation of the full instructions:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyXIlL7UsAI-oUC.jpg

I believe the full thing is covered in intro/safety classes on arrival.

A sad day

Virtanen

DivingDuck wrote: »

"Run Hide Fight" is an abbreviation of the full instructions:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyXIlL7UsAI-oUC.jpg

I believe the full thing is covered in intro/safety classes on arrival.

nelly17 wrote: »

A sad day

What makes it worse is that they use the word "when", not "if"

BoatMad

is this stuff news any more

seamus

DivingDuck wrote: »

"Run Hide Fight" is an abbreviation of the full instructions:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyXIlL7UsAI-oUC.jpg

I believe the full thing is covered in intro/safety classes on arrival.

It's pretty sad that part of the "run" instruction is to "keep your hands visible". That is, police are going to shoot anyone who looks remotely dangerous, so if you don't make it clear you're sh1tting your pants, you might get shot by the cops.

What makes it worse is that they use the word "when", not "if"

I think the purpose is to get it clear in their heads that an active shooter is going to be indiscriminate. If you plead for your life or cower in the corner, you're going to die anyway. So "when" you're cornered by the shooter, fight back, don't hesitate.

In a way they're saying, "You'll still probably die, but you might slow him down long enough to save someone else".

But I agree that it's sad protocols and "best practice" classes exist for this kind of thing at all.

DivingDuck

DivingDuck wrote: »

"Run Hide Fight" is an abbreviation of the full instructions:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyXIlL7UsAI-oUC.jpg

I believe the full thing is covered in intro/safety classes on arrival.

Yep, standard protocol in a lot schools and workplaces now

http://www.smcm.edu/publicsafety/run-hide-fight-active-shooter-protocol/

Virtanen

seamus wrote: »

I think the purpose is to get it clear in their heads that an active shooter is going to be indiscriminate. If you plead for your life or cower in the corner, you're going to die anyway. So "when" you're cornered by the shooter, fight back, don't hesitate.

In a way they're saying, "You'll still probably die, but you might slow him down long enough to save someone else".

But I agree that it's sad protocols and "best practice" classes exist for this kind of thing at all.

I was thinking more of the one at the top of the page, "When an active shooter is in your vicinity". Like it's an inevitability, and just a matter of time

BoatMad

you're cornered by the shooter, fight back, don't hesitate.

err unless you have a gun, with what, an eraser !

kittensmittens

Gatling wrote: »

That's the whole idea ,
Id rather fight than sit there and wait to be executed ,
But there could be off duty law enforcement officers there or people with concealed carry permits for forearms on the campus

And I'd rather that my teenage child who attends there to live into ripe old age and ignore ridiculous instructions.
Why the f*ck would armed, body suited, trained police officers tell scared, unarmed kids to fight???

radia

Training video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VcSwejU2D0

KERSPLAT!

kittensmittens wrote: »

And I'd rather that my teenage child who attends there to live into ripe old age and ignore ridiculous instructions.
Why the f*ck would armed, body suited, trained police officers tell scared, unarmed kids to fight???

It was already explained... if you're cornered and have no other choice, fight. Why cower in a corner? If you can, try to fight. Most probably wouldn't be able to as you'd be scared stiff... literally, but if you can, do.

Gatling

BoatMad wrote: »

err unless you have a gun, with what, an eraser !

Every class room has simple items that could easily be used to defend yourself

sReq | uTeK

Clarebelly wrote: »

Run Hide Fight?

I'd be more inclined to zig-zag......

Drop, duck and roll.

radia

radia wrote: »

Training video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VcSwejU2D0

Yes... "Watch this instructional video as someone is trying to kill you"

According to reports, he is now dead.

BoatMad

Why the f*ck would armed, body suited, trained police officers tell scared, unarmed kids to fight???

in fairness,the advice to fight is offered as a last resort. in practice most people are too frightened to act coherently

sReq | uTeK

If you can dodge a wrench you can do dodge a bullet

BoatMad

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

If you can dodge a wrench you can do dodge a bullet

if the wrench is travelling as 1280 feet/sec , i.e. slightly faster then the speed of sound ........????

brevity

Gatling wrote: »

Every class room has simple items that could easily be used to defend yourself

Grab the trusty compass from the Oxford Maths Set tin!

Gatling

brevity wrote: »

Grab the trusty compass from the Oxford Maths Set tin!

Fire extinguisher would be my first choice

BoatMad

Gatling wrote: »

Fire extinguisher would be my first choice

when faced with a shooter , you have two opportunities , one from a position of surprise, the other on a reload event.

A position of surprise is difficult to achieve and a reload event can be hard to judge unless you have specific weapons training and have a understanding of the ammunition position of the shooter

weapons that reach over a distance are obviously useful, weapons that require you to close on the shooter are problematic

the key thing is that you must disable the shooter when you fight. otherwise presenting a non aggressive posture may on fact be better

its hard to know

TeaBagMania

This is why we all need to carry, never know when you'll need to defend yourself

BoatMad

TeaBagMania wrote: »

This is why we all need to carry, never know when you'll need to defend yourself

indeed , the situation in the US is now so out of control that, that the only solution is arming everyone from age 10 up.

mynamejeff

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Read earlier that there was 61 people shot over the weekend in Chicago alone.

The US has a major gun problem.

america has a person problem not a gun problem

61 dead over a weekend how many in poor black neighborhoods in drug and petty disputes

ceadaoin.

mynamejeff wrote: »

america has a person problem not a gun problem

61 dead over a weekend how many in poor black neighborhoods in drug and petty disputes

61 shootings in Chicago over the weekend, not deaths. 9 people died as a result.

Still bad though obv.

BoatMad

mynamejeff wrote: »

america has a person problem not a gun problem

61 dead over a weekend how many in poor black neighborhoods in drug and petty disputes

err no, its has a person problem, compounded by the ease of owning extremely powerful light arms. The US doesnt have any more nutters then anywhere else, its just there, ALL the nutters are armed

ceadaoin.

I'm reading reports that this wasn't a shooting, the victims have stab wounds and possibly more than one attacker. And also a fire alarm was set off and people were intentionally run over when they left the building.

Edit: confirmed not to be a shooting. A person ran over people and then got out of the car and started attacking them with a knife. He was shot by a police officer.

Manic Moran

Looks like the only person shot was the attacker, who first attempted to ram a crowd with his car, then started stabbing people.

No serious injuries, other than to the attacker.

Oodoov

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I'm reading reports that this wasn't a shooting, the victims have stab wounds and possibly more than one attacker. And also a fire alarm was set off and people were intentionally run over when they left the building.

Edit: confirmed not to be a shooting. A person ran over people and then got out of the car and started attacking them with a knife. He was shot by a police officer.

Didn't ISIS call for attacks with cars very recently? Mind you they always calling for crazy s h it. Delighted the fcukwit is dead whoever he is.

Vincent Vega

STUDENT used OPEN CARRY
But, it failed!

ceadaoin.

Oodoov wrote: »

Didn't ISIS call for attacks with cars very recently? Mind you they always calling for crazy s h it. Delighted the fcukwit is dead whoever he is.

Apparently the police officer arrived on the scene within a minute of the attack starting. Good work there, no doubt he/she prevented a lot more injuries and possible deaths.

I suppose we'll have people complaining soon that the perpetrator was killed rather than just disabled.

Stigura

Delicious, wasn't it? The initial, usual, " Ooh! Ooh! Nasty, nasty guns! Big Problem! Take them all away!

Err ..... No. It was some c**t with a motor and a knife. Stopped by someone with a gun.

And the silence was palpable!

BoatMad

Stigura wrote: »

Delicious, wasn't it? The initial, usual, " Ooh! Ooh! Nasty, nasty guns! Big Problem! Take them all away!

Err ..... No. It was some c**t with a motor and a knife. Stopped by someone with a gun.

And the silence was palpable!

stopped by a police officer with a gun, an entirely legitimate process, available in many countries not just the USA