Active Shooter on campus. Run Hide Fight.

Agent Coulson

Another campus shooting in America.

https://twitter.com/OSU_EMFP/status/803251348858753024?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Ohio State University

I think the scary/sad thing is these shootings aren't shocking news anymore.

RobertKK

7 people taken to hospital.

A person on CNN said they saw a person very much dead, which CNN were quick to say they could not verify.

ClovenHoof

Gigantic campus that is too.

RobertKK

ClovenHoof wrote: »

Gigantic campus that is too.

Some of these Universities in the US are bigger than some Irish cities.

BorneTobyWilde

Targeting Trump supporters , says twitter twats .

BorneTobyWilde

Misinformation is widespread in these situations.
Everyone knows everything, police and people there know nothing.

Omackeral

We need a megathread or a sticky for these.

Bubbaclaus

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I think the scary/sad thing is these shootings aren't shocking news anymore.

Read earlier that there was 61 people shot over the weekend in Chicago alone.

The US has a major gun problem.

Oodoov

More guns will solve this problem, or something.

kittensmittens

I get the "Run" part of the instruction, I also get the "Hide" part of it.
By why are the telling them to "Fight"?
If they had said "fight for you life"......maybe
But are they instructing these kids to fight the gunman? Certainly could be taken up like that by scared students

midnight city

It's barely news anymore they are so common over there.

Clarebelly

Run Hide Fight?

I'd be more inclined to zig-zag......

Gatling

kittensmittens wrote: »

But are they instructing these kids to fight the gunman? Certainly could be taken up like that by scared students

That's the whole idea ,
Id rather fight than sit there and wait to be executed ,
But there could be off duty law enforcement officers there or people with concealed carry permits for forearms on the campus

FortySeven

Gatling wrote: »

That's the whole idea ,
Id rather fight than sit there and wait to be executed ,
But there could be off duty law enforcement officers there or people with concealed carry permits for forearms on the campus

Bloody hell. They must be big, dangerous forearms.

osarusan

BBC report a suspect* is dead, 9 people injured.

I do not know if there is more than one.

frag420

In my case it wold be run...hide....sh1te!!

Gatling

FortySeven wrote: »

Bloody hell. They must be big, dangerous forearms.

Horlicks .

A decent enough forearm could put most people on their ass

KERSPLAT!

kittensmittens wrote: »

I get the "Run" part of the instruction, I also get the "Hide" part of it.
By why are the telling them to "Fight"?
If they had said "fight for you life"......maybe
But are they instructing these kids to fight the gunman? Certainly could be taken up like that by scared students

Most are reporting "Run, hide, fight" but reading on breaking news Ireland and it's "Run, hide, fight as a last resort".

Can't even begin to imagine how I'd react in that situation

HellSquirrel

kittensmittens wrote: »

I get the "Run" part of the instruction, I also get the "Hide" part of it.
By why are the telling them to "Fight"?
If they had said "fight for you life"......maybe
But are they instructing these kids to fight the gunman? Certainly could be taken up like that by scared students

I'm going to assume it's if you're in a situation where you're absolutely going to get shot, there's nowhere to run or hide - try to fight. I guess their way of putting it is more succinct, but I think if I was in that situation, I wouldn't be parsing the sentence for whether it was advice or instruction.

DivingDuck

"Run Hide Fight" is an abbreviation of the full instructions:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyXIlL7UsAI-oUC.jpg

I believe the full thing is covered in intro/safety classes on arrival.

nelly17

DivingDuck wrote: »

"Run Hide Fight" is an abbreviation of the full instructions:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyXIlL7UsAI-oUC.jpg

I believe the full thing is covered in intro/safety classes on arrival.

A sad day

Virtanen

DivingDuck wrote: »

"Run Hide Fight" is an abbreviation of the full instructions:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyXIlL7UsAI-oUC.jpg

I believe the full thing is covered in intro/safety classes on arrival.

nelly17 wrote: »

A sad day

What makes it worse is that they use the word "when", not "if"

BoatMad

is this stuff news any more

seamus

DivingDuck wrote: »

"Run Hide Fight" is an abbreviation of the full instructions:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyXIlL7UsAI-oUC.jpg

I believe the full thing is covered in intro/safety classes on arrival.

It's pretty sad that part of the "run" instruction is to "keep your hands visible". That is, police are going to shoot anyone who looks remotely dangerous, so if you don't make it clear you're sh1tting your pants, you might get shot by the cops.

What makes it worse is that they use the word "when", not "if"

I think the purpose is to get it clear in their heads that an active shooter is going to be indiscriminate. If you plead for your life or cower in the corner, you're going to die anyway. So "when" you're cornered by the shooter, fight back, don't hesitate.

In a way they're saying, "You'll still probably die, but you might slow him down long enough to save someone else".

But I agree that it's sad protocols and "best practice" classes exist for this kind of thing at all.

DivingDuck

DivingDuck wrote: »

"Run Hide Fight" is an abbreviation of the full instructions:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyXIlL7UsAI-oUC.jpg

I believe the full thing is covered in intro/safety classes on arrival.

Yep, standard protocol in a lot schools and workplaces now

http://www.smcm.edu/publicsafety/run-hide-fight-active-shooter-protocol/

Virtanen

seamus wrote: »

I think the purpose is to get it clear in their heads that an active shooter is going to be indiscriminate. If you plead for your life or cower in the corner, you're going to die anyway. So "when" you're cornered by the shooter, fight back, don't hesitate.

In a way they're saying, "You'll still probably die, but you might slow him down long enough to save someone else".

But I agree that it's sad protocols and "best practice" classes exist for this kind of thing at all.

I was thinking more of the one at the top of the page, "When an active shooter is in your vicinity". Like it's an inevitability, and just a matter of time

BoatMad

you're cornered by the shooter, fight back, don't hesitate.

err unless you have a gun, with what, an eraser !

kittensmittens

Gatling wrote: »

That's the whole idea ,
Id rather fight than sit there and wait to be executed ,
But there could be off duty law enforcement officers there or people with concealed carry permits for forearms on the campus

And I'd rather that my teenage child who attends there to live into ripe old age and ignore ridiculous instructions.
Why the f*ck would armed, body suited, trained police officers tell scared, unarmed kids to fight???

radia

Training video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VcSwejU2D0

KERSPLAT!

kittensmittens wrote: »

And I'd rather that my teenage child who attends there to live into ripe old age and ignore ridiculous instructions.
Why the f*ck would armed, body suited, trained police officers tell scared, unarmed kids to fight???

It was already explained... if you're cornered and have no other choice, fight. Why cower in a corner? If you can, try to fight. Most probably wouldn't be able to as you'd be scared stiff... literally, but if you can, do.

Gatling

BoatMad wrote: »

err unless you have a gun, with what, an eraser !

Every class room has simple items that could easily be used to defend yourself