Dairy chit chat II

leg wax

whelan2 wrote: »

co-op perfprmance reports are up on icbf

come on how many stars.....

whelan2

leg wax wrote: »

come on how many stars.....

375 day calving interval , 76% 6 weeks calving rate. Ok for liquid milk herd

Timmaay

whelan2 wrote: »

375 day calving interval , 76% 6 weeks calving rate. Ok for liquid milk herd

8l per cow average here lol. I really should of entered the cows dry off dates!

Keepgrowing

whelan2 wrote: »

co-op perfprmance reports are up on icbf

Has to be one of the most useless reports ever generated. Willy waving exercise of the extreme variety

Should add only usefullish to farmer when compared to meal fed

Coolfresian

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Has to be one of the most useless reports ever generated. Willy waving exercise of the extreme variety

Should add only usefullish to farmer when compared to meal fed

My herd is in the bottom 10% for ebi on it but in the top 10% for litres/cow fat and protein % and SCC as well as milk price. At least it shows me I'm doing something right even though I don't follow ebi scores when making breeding descions

gozunda

blackdog1 wrote: »

It's a very interesting video and alot of what she says rings true. I think that the use of composte vs liquid slurry would be a worthwhile project for Teagasc. I find my older paddocks that never get slurry and haven't been reseeded in 30 years are just as productive as new grass and I've noticed especially this year they are alot firmer under foot. Also we can't spread slurry in the winter but we could spread composte so it might be a way to lessen pressure on tanks in the winter months. If it was easy and cost effective to make vs slurry spreading it would be well worth a try in my own opinion.

No issue with the video itself just not particularly applicable to most Irish conditions and lower stocking rates than shown there tbh.

I agree about the use of compost / fym and soil improvement. I have fields where only composted fym is used and have not been reseeded and they are much less prone to poaching imo.

Regarding spreading- Teasagcs advice on organic fertilisers such as manure state that:

There are times of the year when you must not spread any fertiliser at all on your land, either organic or chemical. These are called the prohibited spreading periods. If you already have
adequate storage for the livestock manure produced on your holding, the prohibited spreading periods apply to you already. Even if you do not have adequate storage, you must not spread any of this manure during November and December.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/farmingschemesandpayments/goodfarmingpracticesregulations/crosscompliance/publications/revisedhandbook2008.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwilz_P4sNXaAhULBcAKHTZaAOMQFghBMAo&usg=AOvVaw0DH1ASdSP36ehZBo9jW3a0

blackdog1

gozunda wrote:

I agree about you about the use of compost / fym and soil improvement. I have fields where only composted fym is used and have not been reseeded and they are much less prone to poaching imo.

gozunda wrote:

Regardibg spreading- Teasagcs advise on organic fertilisers such as manure state that:

Manure and compost are different products. Compost is regarded as a soil conditioner. Cant see Europe giving out about putting out composte on your farm during November /December.

gozunda

blackdog1 wrote: »

Manure and compost are different products. Compost is regarded as a soil conditioner. Cant see Europe giving out about putting out composte on your farm during November /December.

I know that composte and manure are different. The regulations seperate composted such as spent mushroom compost from those of animal origin such as fym compost (which even when composted is of animal origin). Restrictions still apply afaik.

Composted fym is considered an organic fertiliser and as per the link above has certain restriction

Organic fertiliser is slurry, farmyard manure, sewage sludge, industrial sludges etc.

https://www.teagasc.ie/environment/water-quality/water-regulations/managing-the-farmyard/

mahoney_j

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Has to be one of the most useless reports ever generated. Willy waving exercise of the extreme variety

Should add only usefullish to farmer when compared to meal fed

Beg to differ lots of very useful info on if ,one of first things paperwork wise I look at on a farm

Keepgrowing

mahoney_j wrote: »

Beg to differ lots of very useful info on if ,one of first things paperwork wise I look at on a farm

Relevant to ones own farm but lots putting up in order to willy wave with no mention of meal fed.

I actually place no value in it as its only telling me what has happened. If you're any way switched on one would already know that info.

mahoney_j

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Relevant to ones own farm but lots putting up in order to willy wave with no mention of meal fed.

I actually place no value in it as its only telling me what has happened. If you're any way switched on one would already know that info.

Why would it be to willy wave ,if shows actual milk and solids sold,fertility performance ,calving interval ,6 week in calf rates .all important figures meal fed no issue as long as grass been grown and utilized and converted to solids and milk sold .a very valueable document on any farm walk imo

yewtree

I like the coop report as a tool to compare year on year performance and to give you an idea of were your figures compare to other suppliers.
It's part of the picture but can never give the full picture of a farm as you don't know costs incurred to achieve output.

mahoney_j

yewtree wrote: »

I like the coop report as a tool to compare year on year performance and to give you an idea of were your figures compare to other suppliers.
It's part of the picture but can never give the full picture of a farm as you don't know costs incurred to achieve output.

Like profit monitors so as that’s a mickey waving exercise to as it also didn’t tell full story ,only thing is that’s a much more dangerous tool as it deals with financial figures ......

Signpost

Are they only available for the lads on the gravy train that is liquid milk? Nothing up on my ICBF for some reason

whelan2

Signpost wrote: »

Are they only available for the lads on the gravy train that is liquid milk? Nothing up on my ICBF for some reason

The best results were given out first........only joking

Signpost

whelan2 wrote: »

The best results were given out first........only joking

touché - now back to my box!

Timmaay

Signpost wrote: »

Are they only available for the lads on the gravy train that is liquid milk? Nothing up on my ICBF for some reason

I'll sell you my liquid and winter bonus no bother, 5k a yr bonus really isn't worth the bolloxing about milking thro dec/Jan, extra feed, extra mastitis, bedding cubicles etc. Compact spring and lump another 8cows onto the system would net me that 5k for a hell of alot less effort.

Mooooo

Have a 2.5 yr old vasectomised bull with the heifers three marked today so ai'd this evening. One was fine no bother to do the other two were very difficult. I wonder is he going very early after them. They weren't jumping this evening either so maybe it's just me being out of practice having not done any since last june

whelan2

Got a load of coarse ration delivered last week. Discovered today there's fertiliser in the meal- a good bit- I lost a few weanlings that were on the meal. Either the guy delivering it didnt pre wash his trailer or it was in the bucket of the loader that was loading it. We dont use any bulk fertiliser here, so the fertiliser was in the meal when it came. Meal being taken away tomorrow. Awful feeling this evening :mad: one of the ones we lost was one the eldest lad bought last year. I was just using the meal not looking at what was in it

GrasstoMilk

Mooooo wrote: »

Have a 2.5 yr old vasectomised bull with the heifers three marked today so ai'd this evening. One was fine no bother to do the other two were very difficult. I wonder is he going very early after them. They weren't jumping this evening either so maybe it's just me being out of practice having not done any since last june

I've a 15 month old lad with ours, he's picking them up grand, I picked up one this morning he hadn't even noticed yet, tech isn't having any trouble serving them

charolais0153

whelan2 wrote: »

Got a load of coarse ration delivered last week. Discovered today there's fertiliser in the meal- a good bit- I lost a few weanlings that were on the meal. Either the guy delivering it didnt pre wash his trailer or it was in the bucket of the loader that was loading it. We dont use any bulk fertiliser here, so the fertiliser was in the meal when it came. Meal being taken away tomorrow. Awful feeling this evening :mad: one of the ones we lost was one the eldest lad bought last year. I was just using the meal not looking at what was in it

Will you get compensated? Sickener.

Buford T. Justice XIX

whelan2 wrote: »

Got a load of coarse ration delivered last week. Discovered today there's fertiliser in the meal- a good bit- I lost a few weanlings that were on the meal. Either the guy delivering it didnt pre wash his trailer or it was in the bucket of the loader that was loading it. We dont use any bulk fertiliser here, so the fertiliser was in the meal when it came. Meal being taken away tomorrow. Awful feeling this evening :mad: one of the ones we lost was one the eldest lad bought last year. I was just using the meal not looking at what was in it

Sorry to hear that, Whelan2, this year is hard enough without something avoidable doing damage.

Will they be compensating you for the losses?

whelan2

charolais0153 wrote: »

Will you get compensated? Sickener.

ye, 100% not my fault. Cows were to stay in tonight but the coarse meal was in the silage so we had to let them out and will clean out the trough in the morning and dump it. Never heard of it happening before. People I bought it off were over as soon as I rang them in fairness

whelan2

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Sorry to hear that, Whelan2, this year is hard enough without something avoidable doing damage.

Will they be compensating you for the losses?

ye, just hope there's no more deaths Young stock were turning their noses up at the meal this morning and eating the silage ahead of the meal, now we know why

Keepgrowing

whelan2 wrote: »

ye, just hope there's no more deaths Young stock were turning their noses up at the meal this morning and eating the silage ahead of the meal, now we know why

Be sure to take a sample when rep arrives. Split it for testing.

That's a serious slip up up by your supplier

visatorro

whelan2 wrote: »

Got a load of coarse ration delivered last week. Discovered today there's fertiliser in the meal- a good bit- I lost a few weanlings that were on the meal. Either the guy delivering it didnt pre wash his trailer or it was in the bucket of the loader that was loading it. We dont use any bulk fertiliser here, so the fertiliser was in the meal when it came. Meal being taken away tomorrow. Awful feeling this evening :mad: one of the ones we lost was one the eldest lad bought last year. I was just using the meal not looking at what was in it

Sorry to hear that, is that a regular supplier or new.

whelan2

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Be sure to take a sample when rep arrives. Split it for testing.

That's a serious slip up up by your supplier

Already done . In fairness the rep was as gutted as me

whelan2

visatorro wrote: »

Sorry to hear that, is that a regular supplier or new.

Regular

Mooooo

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

I've a 15 month old lad with ours, he's picking them up grand, I picked up one this morning he hadn't even noticed yet, tech isn't having any trouble serving them

Prob more me than him. Heifers seem to go well with me or not never a problem with cows

yewtree

Soory to hear that a real kick in the stomach.
it happened not to far from me a few years ago. the difference was it happened on farm. Farmer had bulk fert and meal in the one shed and a farm worker wasn't too careful wit a loading shovel, farmer lost over 20 weanlings