Dairy chit chat II

Water John

Did he spend the day, twitching and counting the number of species with his binoculars???

Wildsurfer

Water John wrote: »

Did he spend the day, twitching and counting the number of species with his binoculars???

He walked through every bit of it even though you could see the whole field from the road. Then he wondered into a grass field beside it whatever he thought he'd see but I didn't say anything just chatted away. Sur may as well keep them onside if you can at all.

kevthegaff

mahoney_j wrote:

Where was that Kev ??,first dairy sale in Nenagh on Wednesday ,50/60 entered I think .value in those prices for buyer ,frig all for seller .i know of a local bunch feb calving ,milk recorded ,over 540kgms in report ,ai bred and in calf to high ebi bulls pick of a bunch of 45 heifers/100 cows 1750 each in the yard

Last week I nenagh, cousin was telling me.

kevthegaff

Timmaay wrote:

Kev you pickup any heifers yet? Still looking at my options here, scope to throw on another 50 without much sweat here but labour the main limit.

Nah I'm grant approved for 20 unit parlour, so waiting on loan approval (could take awhile). Luckily had low empty rate so 20 heifers should suffice. At 140 nxt year on my own, if I could get a guy in spring for 3 days a week, but that's tricky. Completed ai course lately as bigger parlour will free up more time, and I need a certain animal for high ground! Question is what type of animal?

Mooooo

kevthegaff wrote: »

Nah I'm grant approved for 20 unit parlour, so waiting on loan approval (could take awhile). Luckily had low empty rate so 20 heifers should suffice. At 140 nxt year on my own, if I could get a guy in spring for 3 days a week, but that's tricky. Completed ai course lately as bigger parlour will free up more time, and I need a certain animal for high ground! Question is what type of animal?

Goats!

Mooooo

kevthegaff wrote: »

Nah I'm grant approved for 20 unit parlour, so waiting on loan approval (could take awhile). Luckily had low empty rate so 20 heifers should suffice. At 140 nxt year on my own, if I could get a guy in spring for 3 days a week, but that's tricky. Completed ai course lately as bigger parlour will free up more time, and I need a certain animal for high ground! Question is what type of animal?

Have you any neighbours nearby that you get on well with whom are at a similar scale? if two of ye could come together and offer a lad fulltime work between ye it may help you get someone, would prob have to be year round work to hold on to someone tho. currently doing that here with a neighbour and working out ok so far.
Was on a farm earlier this year who has contracted out heifer rearing etc but gets in help for spring calving and breeding, said he spent a few seasons getting the lad in to do the "stupid jobs" around the place as he put it but as there was different lads coming and he spent more time explaining things he changed tack and hired in lads to do milkings while he went and did the stupid jobs, said that worked out better

Timmaay

Moo that's what I always do here, any students etc get trained into milking immediately, which is the most predictable job (also just a pure chore for me ha), alongside any other things like feeding calves etc. A worker has to have a reasonable routine, complete waste of time expecting them to go around doing the stupid jobs if they are mostly odd jobs that you'll spend as long explaining it to them.

George Sunsnow

kevthegaff wrote: »

Nah I'm grant approved for 20 unit parlour, so waiting on loan approval (could take awhile). Luckily had low empty rate so 20 heifers should suffice. At 140 nxt year on my own, if I could get a guy in spring for 3 days a week, but that's tricky. Completed ai course lately as bigger parlour will free up more time, and I need a certain animal for high ground! Question is what type of animal?

Loan approvals for up to €100k do not take more than 48hours according to my mrs (and she should know she works on them)when all paperwork is submitted if the figures stack up
More than likely yours is sitting on a pile and not submitted yet
You should chase it
The more you shout the quicker it will be took out of the pile
Banks have shed so much staff lately it’s showing

yewtree

George Sunsnow wrote: »

Loan approvals for up to €100k do not take more than 48hours according to my mrs (and she should know she works on them)when all paperwork is submitted if the figures stack up
More than likely yours is sitting on a pile and not submitted yet
You should chase it
The more you shout the quicker it will be took out of the pile
Banks have shed so much staff lately it’s showing

I find its all the work leading up to loan applications that takes the time. Getting accounts and security sorted, there is a lot of paperwork in the application process.the soonest I have heard back would have been 2 weeks after submission of loan request. Any kind of sizeable loan will take a couple of months to organise

George Sunsnow

Ah yeah it takes time to put the paperwork together (longer if it’s left in a pile)
But that should be for drawdown not approval
The person putting up the loan usually won’t untill all things are certain
Funny thing is if the computer see’s one figure not adding up (which is why you need the person involved to know their stuff) it goes to the lending committee which theses days actually is a group of not well paid 9 to 5’s whose job spec is to look for reasons not to give the loan
Then there is a delay because your manager has to argue with them

Water John

One good reason, not to piss off your bank contact person. They're usually, on your side.

jaymla627

Water John wrote: »

One good reason, not to piss off your bank contact person. They're usually, on your side.

Once they have the deeds to your place they are usually extremely helpful, less so when it's not the case, their is small fortunes be spent on dairy farms at the present time, their wasn't a rotary parlour in my county I think ever and will be four plus in for the spring of 2018 that I know off, its mad stuff

farisfat

jaymla627 wrote: »

Once they have the deeds to your place they are usually extremely helpful, less so when it's not the case, their is small fortunes be spent on dairy farms at the present time, their wasn't a rotary parlour in my county I think ever and will be four plus in for the spring of 2018 that I know off, its mad stuff

Not that long ago their probably was only 4 herringbone parlours in your county.
Robotic rotarys will milk most of the cows here sooner than we think.

jaymla627

farisfat wrote: »

Not that long ago their probably was only 4 herringbone parlours in your county.
Robotic rotarys will milk most of the cows here sooner than we think.

Reliable robotic roataries are a long way down the line, the Glastonbury westfalia one turned out to be a disaster, with the cows now been cupped by people....
You won't see robotic roataries commercially for 20 plus years unless of course milk goes up past 40 cent a litre and stays their, what I can't understand is why anyone planning on doing massive builds didn't get them done last year when confidence was on the floor and parlour manufacturers and shed builders would of been a lot handier haggled with

Buford T. Justice XIX

farisfat wrote: »

Not that long ago their probably was only 4 herringbone parlours in your county.
Robotic rotarys will milk most of the cows here sooner than we think.

I doubt it, tbh. You would be looking at 200+ cows to justify it and there is a small pool of land with 150+ acres available for dairying.

Snowfire

Just wondering, if I buy empty cows in milk, will I be able to get access to those cows info, such as milk recordings etc through herd plus on icbf..?

farisfat

jaymla627 wrote: »

Reliable robotic roataries are a long way down the line, the Glastonbury westfalia one turned out to be a disaster, with the cows now been cupped by people....
You won't see robotic roataries commercially for 20 plus years unless of course milk goes up past 40 cent a litre and stays their, what I can't understand is why anyone planning on doing massive builds didn't get them done last year when confidence was on the floor and parlour manufacturers and shed builders would of been a lot handier haggled with

20 years isn't to far away sir.

farisfat

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

I doubt it, tbh. You would be looking at 200+ cows to justify it and there is a small pool of land with 150+ acres available for dairying.

I'd say you'd be looking at 800 to a 1000 herd size to make it work.
1400 farms could milk all the cows currently in Ireland.....18000 dairy farms at present I think.

Timmaay

What are the projections for the average herd size, and number of dairy farmers in 20 yrs time ha? I'm guessing we'll be pushing on 200 cows and there will only be a quarter of the farms, with plenty more farms north of 500 cows, in particular around the tillage areas where there are still plenty of large blocks for greenfield sites.

Keepgrowing

jaymla627 wrote: »

Once they have the deeds to your place they are usually extremely helpful, less so when it's not the case, their is small fortunes be spent on dairy farms at the present time, their wasn't a rotary parlour in my county I think ever and will be four plus in for the spring of 2018 that I know off, its mad stuff

There were 2 rotary parlours that I know of both built in 1973

Mooooo

Timmaay wrote: »

What are the projections for the average herd size, and number of dairy farmers in 20 yrs time ha? I'm guessing we'll be pushing on 200 cows and there will only be a quarter of the farms, with plenty more farms north of 500 cows, in particular around the tillage areas where there are still plenty of large blocks for greenfield sites.

Wonder would there be a correction in land values for that were to take place

Wildsurfer

jaymla627 wrote: »

Reliable robotic roataries are a long way down the line, the Glastonbury westfalia one turned out to be a disaster, with the cows now been cupped by people....
You won't see robotic roataries commercially for 20 plus years unless of course milk goes up past 40 cent a litre and stays their, what I can't understand is why anyone planning on doing massive builds didn't get them done last year when confidence was on the floor and parlour manufacturers and shed builders would of been a lot handier haggled with

You answered your own question. Confidence was on the floor.

jaymla627

Wildsurfer wrote: »

You answered your own question. Confidence was on the floor.

But surely any new entrants, our existing lads rapidly going up in numbers would of taken a long term view and not be riding the crest of a wave that's occurring at the minute....

visatorro

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

I doubt it, tbh. You would be looking at 200+ cows to justify it and there is a small pool of land with 150+ acres available for dairying.

Most lads round here milking around 200.

100 cow farms will be a thing of the past here in the near future .

mahoney_j

visatorro wrote: »

Most lads round here milking around 200.

100 cow farms will be a thing of the past here in the near future .

Fierce hung up on numbers ,don’t matter how many cows your milking as long as the basics are tight and your making profit ,I find it insulting lads writing off anyone milking less than 100,personally I’d hate to be milking a couple of hindered cows and managing staff and dealing with those headachesc

straight

Turnover is vanity. Profit is sanity. Any of ye doing the bulk tank disease testing. I've signed up for next year.

kevthegaff

Keepgrowing wrote:

There were 2 rotary parlours that I know of both built in 1973

My scanning man's auld lad had a rotary not far from u back in the day

kevthegaff

jaymla627 wrote:

But surely any new entrants, our existing lads rapidly going up in numbers would of taken a long term view and not be riding the crest of a wave that's occurring at the minute....

That's a Iittle harder when u can hardly pay the bills

mahoney_j

straight wrote: »

Turnover is vanity. Profit is sanity. Any of ye doing the bulk tank disease testing. I've signed up for next year.

And u forgot the most important one cash flow is reality

straight

mahoney_j wrote: »

And u forgot the most important one cash flow is reality

Trying to get it flowing the right directoon is the problem. 😉