Dairy chit chat II

jaymla627

atlantic mist wrote: »

is that due to blue tongue virus? if they are consistently cheaper than us how is it no one has started buying in france and selling in ireland/uk going by your purchase price you couldnt loose money, make you wonder why uk buyers come to ireland instead of france.

Theyd surely make your purchase price being killed in the factory provided their not bags of bones

They'd be lucky to make the factory if they ended up on the wrong farms, you simply can't get a lorry load of French bred hols heifers and expect them to survive in a grass based system with a sprinkling of meal, you have to remember to these animals would never of encountered worms/fluke in a lot of cases and have no resistance built up which is a recipe for trouble in itself

mahoney_j

George Sunsnow wrote: »

I was talking to a Neighbour today who sold fresh calved heifers for €1750 each last week
It’s a good liquid herd but is there that much of a fire under dairy cows now?

Fair enough price for an obviously top class milky high solid heifer probably backed by good back pedigree .quality will always command a premium

Mooooo

atlantic mist wrote: »

is that due to blue tongue virus? if they are consistently cheaper than us how is it no one has started buying in france and selling in ireland/uk going by your purchase price you couldnt loose money, make you wonder why uk buyers come to ireland instead of france.

Theyd surely make your purchase price being killed in the factory provided their not bags of bones

They are appearing in the UK in the high input system.

Gawddawggonnit

mahoney_j wrote: »

Fair enough price for an obviously top class milky high solid heifer probably backed by good back pedigree .quality will always command a premium

Lol.

That's your sales pitch?
Or, just talking up your cow type?

blackdog1

jaymla627 wrote:

They'd be lucky to make the factory if they ended up on the wrong farms, you simply can't get a lorry load of French bred hols heifers and expect them to survive in a grass based system with a sprinkling of meal, you have to remember to these animals would never of encountered worms/fluke in a lot of cases and have no resistance built up which is a recipe for trouble in itself

They'll survive fine on 3kg of meal a day over the summer as long as they are calved in very good condition. Guys on feed to yield system would pump milk out of them and the French cattle are way ahead of American and Canadian for protein. Half the herds in Ireland have hairy breeze, fatal, etc in they're pedigrees and they did just fine.

Floki

Mooooo wrote: »

They are appearing in the UK in the high input system.

Still have to be careful.

https://www.farmersjournal.ie/risk-level-of-bluetongue-making-landfall-in-uk-remains-low-321942

Bad enough with all the bugs and viruses already without bringing in new ones.

mahoney_j

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Lol.

That's your sales pitch?
Or, just talking up your cow type?

Neither just truth ,things obviously different in your kneck of the woods ,biggest problem lads have when selling heifers is that a lot of them don’t know what it costs to get a heifer never mind a real good one to calving at 24 months ,selling less than circa 1500 only buyer getting value
If I was selling best of my heifers the price above would be my asking price and I would get it as lots of records ,ped certs and proven high solids fertile cows

mahoney_j

blackdog1 wrote: »

They'll survive fine on 3kg of meal a day over the summer as long as they are calved in very good condition. Guys on feed to yield system would pump milk out of them and the French cattle are way ahead of American and Canadian for protein. Half the herds in Ireland have hairy breeze, fatal, etc in they're pedigrees and they did just fine.

Hairy breiz,fatal and lord Lilly (not French I think )extensively used here when switching from br fr to hol ,super stock

Mooooo

Floki wrote: »

Still have to be careful.

https://www.farmersjournal.ie/risk-level-of-bluetongue-making-landfall-in-uk-remains-low-321942

Bad enough with all the bugs and viruses already without bringing in new ones.

Farm we went to had cows from four European countries. Rapidly expanding high yielding herd risks def higher.

Floki

Mooooo wrote: »

Farm we went to had cows from four European countries. Rapidly expanding high yielding herd risks def higher.

The situation in Ireland is the dept have issued warnings about importing and there's no obligation on the dept to provide compensation.

http://ihfa.ie/bluetongue-information-2017/

mf240

How do ya say, " would ya take a bit less " in French?

mahoney_j

blackdog1 wrote: »

They'll survive fine on 3kg of meal a day over the summer as long as they are calved in very good condition. Guys on feed to yield system would pump milk out of them and the French cattle are way ahead of American and Canadian for protein. Half the herds in Ireland have hairy breeze, fatal, etc in they're pedigrees and they did just fine.

Hairy breiz,fatal and lord Lilly (not French I think )extensively used here when switching from br fr to hol ,super stock

mahoney_j

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Lol.

That's your sales pitch?
Or, just talking up your cow type?

Neither just truth ,things obviously different in your kneck of the woods ,biggest problem lads have when selling heifers is that a lot of them don’t know what it costs to get a heifer never mind a real good one to calving at 24 months ,selling less than circa 1500 only buyer getting value
If I was selling best of my heifers the price above would be my asking price and I would get it as lots of records ,ped certs and proven high solids fertile cows

Floki

mf240 wrote: »

How do ya say, " would ya take a bit less " in French?

I know you're joking but....

https://m.independent.ie/business/farming/beef/farmers-urged-to-be-vigilant-following-detection-of-bluetongue-virus-in-cattle-imported-to-britain-36260512.html

....glad you're not my neighbour.

kevthegaff

mahoney_j wrote:

Neither just truth ,things obviously different in your kneck of the woods ,biggest problem lads have when selling heifers is that a lot of them don’t know what it costs to get a heifer never mind a real good one to calving at 24 months ,selling less than circa 1500 only buyer getting value If I was selling best of my heifers the price above would be my asking price and I would get it as lots of records ,ped certs and proven high solids fertile cows

Any word on the dairy sale in nenagh the other day j?

mahoney_j

kevthegaff wrote: »

Any word on the dairy sale in nenagh the other day j?

Next Wednesday Kev

ozil10

Would usually Fatten Cull Cows but with increasing cow numbers. I just don't have the room to house them so will be sending them to the mart
some cows still doing over 16l+
Just wondering what most people do

-Send them straight from the parlour
-leave them dry off for week or two before going to the mart
- also would you give them dry cow tube or just sealer
Cheers

cute geoge

Send straight to the mart ,i seen nice cows dried off last month in the mart and the jobbers pulled the price because they were tubed and the withdrawal meant they could not be killed straight away!! any excuse of course

Floki

ozil10 wrote: »

Would usually Fatten Cull Cows but with increasing cow numbers. I just don't have the room to house them so will be sending them to the mart
some cows still doing over 16l+
Just wondering what most people do

-Send them straight from the parlour
-leave them dry off for week or two before going to the mart
- also would you give them dry cow tube or just sealer
Cheers

If you're selling straight off don't put a dry cow tube in them anyway unless you're willing to compensate the buyer for a skipped carcase and expenses.

Teat sealer only (if going down this route).

Buford T. Justice XIX

cute geoge wrote: »

Send straight to the mart ,i seen nice cows dried off last month in the mart and the jobbers pulled the price because they were tubed and the withdrawal meant they could not be killed straight away!! any excuse of course

Isn't selling animals within the withdrawl period not allowed under quality assurance?

kevthegaff

mahoney_j wrote:

Next Wednesday Kev

78 animals sold 1100-1450 incalf heifers

mahoney_j

kevthegaff wrote: »

78 animals sold 1100-1450 incalf heifers

Where was that Kev ??,first dairy sale in Nenagh on Wednesday ,50/60 entered I think .value in those prices for buyer ,frig all for seller .i know of a local bunch feb calving ,milk recorded ,over 540kgms in report ,ai bred and in calf to high ebi bulls pick of a bunch of 45 heifers/100 cows 1750 each in the yard

orm0nd

mahoney_j wrote: »

Where was that Kev ??,first dairy sale in Nenagh on Wednesday ,50/60 entered I think .value in those prices for buyer ,frig all for seller .i know of a local bunch feb calving ,milk recorded ,over 540kgms in report ,ai bred and in calf to high ebi bulls pick of a bunch of 45 heifers/100 cows 1750 each in the yard

have been scouting around

nothing worth buying under 1350 imo

having said that very easy get quality heifers 1400 + a little

all feb calving and would be well developed

we wouldnt be going for top notchers but will still hit about 550/560 kg ms with 30% heifers this year

mahoney_j

kevthegaff wrote: »

78 animals sold 1100-1450 incalf heifers

Where was that Kev ??,first dairy sale in Nenagh on Wednesday ,50/60 entered I think .value in those prices for buyer ,frig all for seller .i know of a local bunch feb calving ,milk recorded ,over 540kgms in report ,ai bred and in calf to high ebi bulls pick of a bunch of 45 heifers/100 cows 1750 each in the yard

Mooooo

Now the best time to buy I assume., hopefully be clear the end of Dec I guess the spring is the thing time to be looking for milkers to buy? Depending on how test goes hope to add circa 30

Timmaay

Kev you pickup any heifers yet? Still looking at my options here, scope to throw on another 50 without much sweat here but labour the main limit.

mahoney_j

Timmaay wrote: »

Kev you pickup any heifers yet? Still looking at my options here, scope to throw on another 50 without much sweat here but labour the main limit.

That’s a pretty major issue to be fair

Timmaay

mahoney_j wrote: »

That’s a pretty major issue to be fair

More precisely, springtime labour. A problem but not a major problem ha, exploring a few different options atm still.

Anyways, grass measure this morning, afc 630, cover per cow 280. The end is nigh definitely, time to properly stretch out the last 10 odd acres to save having to house the cows yet. Got a few paddocks that were very poorly cleaned out during that wet spell 10 days ago, if possible I'll try clean them out also, but that would take some serious drying over the next week to be worthwhile.

atlantic mist

any one still waiting on single farm payment to come through?

Wildsurfer

Yep. If you haven't been paid yet you can be preparing yourself for an inspection of some sort. I had mine last week, unannounced inspection of glas WBC. At least not a cross compliance. He said payment will release now as all was good