19-11-2016 Autumn Internationals

Adbrowne

Italy team to play SA this weekend.

sydthebeat

i see conor has no problem playing "foreigners"

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Match Officials

November Tests

England vs Fiji
@ Twickenham
Referee: Marius Mitrea (Italy)
Assistant referees: Paul Williams (New Zealand), Lloyd Linton (Scotland)
Television match official: Gareth Simmonds (Wales)

France vs Australia
@ Stade de France
Referee: Glen Jackson (New Zealand)
Assistant referees: Wayne Barnes (England), Greg Garner (England)
Television match official: Graham Hughes (England)

Wales vs Japan
@ Principality Stadium
Referee: Marius van der Westhuizen (South Africa)
Assistant referees: John Lacey (Ireland), Craig Maxwell-Keys (England)
Television match official: Eric Gauzins (France)

Ireland vs New Zealand
@ Aviva Stadium
Referee: Jaco Peyper (South Africa)
Assistant referees: Mathieu Raynal (France), Ian Davies (Wales)
Television match official: Jon Mason (Wales)

Italy vs South Africa
@ Stadio Artemio Franchi
Referee: George Clancy (Ireland)
Assistant referees: Nigel Owens (Wales), David Wilkinson (Ireland)
Television match official: Peter Fitzgibbon (Ireland)

Scotland vs Argentina
@ Murrayfield
Referee: Ben O’Keeffe (New Zealand)
Assistant referees: Jérôme Garcès (France), Thomas Charabas (France)
Television match official: Shaun Davey (England)

Adbrowne

Just seen this on facebook page. England players getting 20k for the same game.

Fijian players reportly getting £400 and Union just 75k gratuity for the match, which will generate circa £10m turnover.

Digifriendly

France have 2 very important internationals coming up - Australia this weekend and NZ the next. For viewers in NI you have to subscribe to Premier Sports to see these games so a Sky subscription and BT subscription is not enough. AFAIK if you live in the ROI you have to subscribe to Eir Sports. I know of no-one in NI who subscribes to Premier Sports which doesn't mean there aren't any subscribers but they must be miniscule. Do many in ROI have Eir Sports? Does an Eir Sports subscription include BT in ROI? If so you're better off than us in the north. BTW Premier sports had exclusively live coverage of NI vs Croatia last night. I wonder how many here were able to watch?

Dog Botherer

Adbrowne wrote: »

Just seen this on facebook page. England players getting 20k for the same game.

Fijian players reportly getting £400 and Union just 75k gratuity for the match, which will generate circa £10m turnover.

No wonder there's no incentive for Fiji to send their best sides. Absolute joke. It's this craic that World Rugby should be prioritising sorting out, rather than the project players.

vienne86

Digifriendly wrote: »

France have 2 very important internationals coming up - Australia this weekend and NZ the next. For viewers in NI you have to subscribe to Premier Sports to see these games so a Sky subscription and BT subscription is not enough. AFAIK if you live in the ROI you have to subscribe to Eir Sports. I know of no-one in NI who subscribes to Premier Sports which doesn't mean there aren't any subscribers but they must be miniscule. Do many in ROI have Eir Sports? Does an Eir Sports subscription include BT in ROI? If so you're better off than us in the north. BTW Premier sports had exclusively live coverage of NI vs Croatia last night. I wonder how many here were able to watch?

Yes, in ROI, Eir Sport subscription gets you BT as well. It's free for Eir broadband subscribers.

icdg

Premier Sports and Eir Sport 2 are the same channel, more or less.

Digifriendly

icdg wrote: »

Premier Sports and Eir Sport 2 are the same channel, more or less.

Yes that's why in NI we can receive Premier Sports and Eir Sport 1 if we subscribe.

roundymac

TG this match is on RTE 2.

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Scotland team to face Argentina:

15. Stuart Hogg (Glasgow Warriors)
14. Sean Maitland (Saracens)
13. Huw Jones (Stormers)
12. Alex Dunbar (Glasgow Warriors)
11. Tommy Seymour (Glasgow Warriors)
10. Finn Russell (Glasgow Warriors)
9. Greig Laidlaw (Gloucester)
1. Allan Dell (Edinburgh Rugby)
2. Fraser Brown (Glasgow Warriors)
3. Zander Fagerson (Glasgow Warriors)
4. Grant Gilchrist (Edinburgh Rugby)
5. Jonny Gray (Glasgow Warriors)
6. Magnus Bradbury (Edinburgh Rugby)
7. Hamish Watson (Edinburgh Rugby)
8. John Barclay (Scarlets)

Replacements:
16. Ross Ford (Edinburgh Rugby)
17. Alex Allan (Glasgow Warriors)
18. Moray Low (Exeter Chiefs)
19. Tim Swinson (Glasgow Warriors)
20. Ryan Wilson (Glasgow Warriors)
21. Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors)
22. Pete Horne (Glasgow Warriors)
23. Tim Visser (Harlequins)

The Lost Sheep

Tonga playing US in San Sebastien this weekend

https://www.usarugby.org/2016/11/spain-hosts-eagles-sea-eagles-in-november-tour-clash/

ionadnapokot

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Tonga playing US in San Sebastien this weekend

https://www.usarugby.org/2016/11/spain-hosts-eagles-sea-eagles-in-november-tour-clash/

Strange venue for those teams. Lots of Tongan players in France?

The Lost Sheep

ionadnapokot wrote: »

Strange venue for those teams. Lots of Tongan players in France?

Was originally meant to be played somewhere in France but couldn't find a venue

ionadnapokot

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Was originally meant to be played somewhere in France but couldn't find a venue

Wouldn't complain if my game at the weekend had to be moved to San Sebastián!

ionadnapokot

Adbrowne wrote: »

Scotland team to face Argentina:

15. Stuart Hogg (Glasgow Warriors)
14. Sean Maitland (Saracens)
13. Huw Jones (Stormers)
12. Alex Dunbar (Glasgow Warriors)
11. Tommy Seymour (Glasgow Warriors)
10. Finn Russell (Glasgow Warriors)
9. Greig Laidlaw (Gloucester)
1. Allan Dell (Edinburgh Rugby)
2. Fraser Brown (Glasgow Warriors)
3. Zander Fagerson (Glasgow Warriors)
4. Grant Gilchrist (Edinburgh Rugby)
5. Jonny Gray (Glasgow Warriors)
6. Magnus Bradbury (Edinburgh Rugby)
7. Hamish Watson (Edinburgh Rugby)
8. John Barclay (Scarlets)

Replacements:
16. Ross Ford (Edinburgh Rugby)
17. Alex Allan (Glasgow Warriors)
18. Moray Low (Exeter Chiefs)
19. Tim Swinson (Glasgow Warriors)
20. Ryan Wilson (Glasgow Warriors)
21. Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors)
22. Pete Horne (Glasgow Warriors)
23. Tim Visser (Harlequins)

Argentina pack will demolish that Scotland pack. Back row in particular.
Can see a big win for Argentina

kuang1

ionadnapokot wrote: »

Argentina pack will demolish that Scotland pack. Back row in particular.
Can see a big win for Argentina

Argentina slight underdogs with the bookies @ 11/10. Tempted?

thomond2006

All 4 starting wingers in France vs Australia are Fijian. Plus Naiyaravoro on the bench for Australia. Paraphrasing Brendan Gallagher from Twitter.

wp_rathead

thomond2006 wrote: »

All 4 starting wingers in France vs Australia are Fijian. Plus Naiyaravoro on the bench for Australia. Paraphrasing Brendan Gallagher from Twitter.

Is it not the two Australian centers that are Fijian born? Kaidrini and Navalu
Still though it is kinda mad

Edit : ignore Ultimate Rugby gave us the wrong team lineup

razorblunt

I was about to pull the trigger on tickets for Scotland - Argentina before I thought about double checking the timing of the Ireland - All Blacks game, good job I did!

Bookies seem to have the game as a close one, Scotland just under EVENS, Argies just above.
Can't see past an Argentina win for this one.

Interested to see how Bradbury goes, decent player.

sydthebeat

razorblunt wrote: »

I was about to pull the trigger on tickets for Scotland - Argentina before I thought about double checking the timing of the Ireland - All Blacks game, good job I did!

Bookies seem to have the game as a close one, Scotland just under EVENS, Argies just above.
Can't see past an Argentina win for this one.

Interested to see how Bradbury goes, decent player.

most bookies actually have Scotland -1

i fancy scotland by about 7 here

ionadnapokot

kuang1 wrote: »

Argentina slight underdogs with the bookies @ 11/10. Tempted?

Sure am! Bookies are wrong!
4 changes to the Scotland team. Lineout, scrum and ruck defense will all struggle. Debut for a back row against Matera, Desio and Isa.
Arg kicked more than usual last week. They got slow ball and faced good Welsh line speed.
Dry day forecast. Expecting Argentina to run allot more ball. Prob use their winger Cordero around the fringes of rucks. Loads of offloads and hopefully loads of tries. 25 v 35

Ardillaun

I was impressed with France's passing against Samoa. Granted, they weren't under much pressure but it was crisp from all players, a bit more like the old France. Fly-half may be a problem.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Not sure of the exact figures but I saw something about the Fiji players only getting a couple of hundred euro each for this game against England, while the English players are getting around £20k each and between the match at the WC and this one the RFU have made millions but Fiji are getting next to nothing from it.

I understand it's the home teams that make the money but you'd have to wonder, if World Rugby is serious about bringing up the Pacific Island teams, that they don't have some sort of scheme there to get them a bit more money?

wp_rathead

hon italyyyyyy

wp_rathead

arse

Diabhal Beag

Arse has been undone. Silly mistake from the Boks.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Grand Italian name on their try scorer.

wp_rathead

ugh, good try by SA i guess
enjoyable enough game

razorblunt

Saturday afternoon, it's cold out, the wife is gone shopping so I'm wearing an old jersey, and rugby on the Beeb with Eddie Butler ... magic!

Diabhal Beag

Parisse is having a ****er so far by his standards

Cathalthesmart

How are so many of ye watching this game?

Diabhal Beag

Cathalthesmart wrote: »

How are so many of ye watching this game?

It's on BT Sports 3

Jesus they didn't even want to touch La Roux there ffs

BunkMoreland

Couple of bets on Japan here

Neil3030

Was tempted by the +19 in this one. Glad I didn't back it though, or else the Boks would currently be winning by 133 points.

BunkMoreland

Blocked!!!

razorblunt

Decent start by the Japanese. Yellow coming for Liam Williams.
Japs defensive line is a bit all over the shop though, it's a line but there's multiple dog legs.

BunkMoreland

Nice

mfceiling

I think I'll always hate Liam Williams.

Cathalthesmart

BTsport I ain't caving into that! Rather watch Japan play!

Losty Dublin

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Not sure of the exact figures but I saw something about the Fiji players only getting a couple of hundred euro each for this game against England, while the English players are getting around £20k each and between the match at the WC and this one the RFU have made millions but Fiji are getting next to nothing from it.

I understand it's the home teams that make the money but you'd have to wonder, if World Rugby is serious about bringing up the Pacific Island teams, that they don't have some sort of scheme there to get them a bit more money?

This is an age old problem which crops up every November, sees us all say what a shame and only for the problem to disappear away until next year. The stories of Fiji or Samoa or Tonga being on pauper wages or on the verge of striking are dog eared and of course. World Rugby are helping them out but it's utterly imbalanced and unfair that it keeps happening to the eternal benefit of the 6N nations.

It would be of use for the Pacific Nations for some of the Tier 1 nations to suck up the costs once in a while and to tour the south seas. Even A team squads will let their hosts take in some badly needed gate money. That way the costs and benefits of these such tours are spread out a little more evenly and that there is a greater local benefit.

razorblunt

mfceiling wrote: »

I think I'll always hate Liam Williams.

He's considerate in that he gives us a new reason every couple of weeks.

Baldwin and Davies showing well for the Welsh.
No 6 for Japan looks decent, always looking to get on the ball as the second man in on a tackle.

Cathalthesmart

Japan defensively are very suspect, I'm routing for them and I feel every time Wales go into contact that they will make a line break.

Neil3030

Huge D by Italy there to defend nearly 20 phases in their 22.

matthew8

Neil3030 wrote: »

Huge D by Italy there to defend nearly 20 phases in their 22.

Horrendous by South Africa though, how they didn't score when there was a 15 metre gap in the defense is beyond me. One short pass and they were in.

Neil3030

matthew8 wrote: »

Horrendous by South Africa though, how they didn't score when there was a 15 metre gap in the defense is beyond me. One short pass and they were in.

Yup. South African rugby has plummeted so far down the crapper it's just sad at this stage.

Diabhal Beag

Maybe I'm a romantic at heart but SA have wasted enough chances for me to have hope that Italy could nick this. That said, nearly any long ball into Le Roux is a guarantee that he gets deep into Italian 22.

Adbrowne

wales have a 20m blind side off a 5m scrum and they went to Roberts n crash ball. How inventive

razorblunt

Japan try to run it out from under their posts, ref calls them back for a forward pass, that wasn't, no luck.

Wales score off the scrum.

Neil3030

Did they give a load of free tickets to the army to fill seats?