Want to be a Ranger?

Cass

They're hiring.

dodderangler

What site. Always wanted to do it

ezra_

dodderangler wrote: »

What site. Always wanted to do it

As per Cass' link: https://www.publicjobs.ie/publicjobs/campaignAdvert/43095/booklet.htm

cookimonster

WoW....not impressed with the money on offer. You'd be fairly struggling for the first few years on that and with the list of debarrments it doesn't bode well for previous civil / public sector workers carrying pensions etc....

I thought a change of scenery might suit me and carry me over to OAP status but I'll rot where I am.......

noeleire

dodderangler wrote: »

What site. Always wanted to do it

You could be a power ranger.. lol

FISMA.

noeleire wrote: »

You could be a power ranger.. lol

I wanna be an Airborne Ranger...

deeksofdoom

You'll have to be independently wealth to be able to work for the NWPS.

minktrapper

What exactly does the job entail.

tikkahunter

cookimonster wrote: »

WoW....not impressed with the money on offer. You'd be fairly struggling for the first few years on that and with the list of debarrments it doesn't bode well for previous civil / public sector workers carrying pensions etc....

I thought a change of scenery might suit me and carry me over to OAP status but I'll rot where I am.......

You really would want to have your money made , raising a family on 22,000 and the light at the end of tunnel after what maybe 10 years of service 40k , you would really be on the bread line for what is an essentially demanding job.

cookimonster

tikkahunter wrote: »

You really would want to have your money made , raising a family on 22,000 and the light at the end of tunnel after what maybe 10 years of service 40k , you would really be on the bread line for what is an essentially demanding job.

Absolutely, I'm coming up to 30yrs service (long time idle) and I couldn't see an incentive other than the possible romance of the job, nor could I see a young person making a go of it if they where family oriented ie dependents, housing etc.
Regardless of actual work load on a day to day or week to week basis that's a pitiful wage to offer for a 39hrs, 5 over 7 week, with out of hours work as routine.

How many will apply is one thing , how many will stay is another?

SakoHunter75

tikkahunter wrote: »

You really would want to have your money made , raising a family on 22,000 and the light at the end of tunnel after what maybe 10 years of service 40k , you would really be on the bread line for what is an essentially demanding job.

Not sure how true this is, but I heard they want applicants with a third level education, preferably a PhD., but minimum undergraduate degree, in some related subject. For that kind of money it's an absolute joke, if the above is actually true.

idnkph

SakoHunter75 wrote:

Not sure how true this is, but I heard they want applicants with a third level education, preferably a PhD., but minimum undergraduate degree, in some related subject. For that kind of money it's an absolute joke, if the above is actually true.

It states in the job description if you read it that only a leaving cert is needed but obviously other qualifications will bump you up a bit further.
If like to go for it but the money is dour.

cookimonster

Before we scare anyone off these are the qualifications and experience looked for as per the literature:

Qualifications and Experience

Essential:

Candidates must on or before the closing date for the competition meet the following
essential requirements:
 A good general education.
 Possess a satisfactory knowledge and keen interest in wildlife and nature conservation.
 Hold a full clean driving licence.
 Ability to write clear reports.
 Physical ability to perform the duties of the post including foot patrols.
 Good IT skills, particularly for word-processing, data analysis and report-writing.

In addition candidates must demonstrate an appropriate level of proficiency in those
competencies listed in the 'Key Competencies for the Role' section below.

Desirable:
 Experience of using GIS (Geographical Information Systems) is desirable.
 Previous employment in wildlife management/nature conservation.
 qualification in Biology or related sciences.

Specific Personal Attributes:
 Good decision making skills.
 Pragmatic approach to problem solving.
 Ability to work alone and/or under pressure.
 Confidence and courtesy in dealing with the public.
 Adaptability to a changing work environment.

BattleCorp

They want an awful lot from the employee considering the sh1te wages.

tac foley

Back in the late 90's, when my time in the BA was coming to its inevitable end, I looked into a similar job in Wales.

If I remember it at all, it's because what the prospective employers wanted was, in no particular order: -

Essential -

1. High degree of personal fitness.

2. Decision-making and situational awareness applicable to the situation.

3. Bi-lingual Welsh/English.

4. Extensive knowledge of regional and local history - degree would be good.

5. Degree in earth science subject - GIS etc - BSc = good, but MSc would be better.

6. Full UK driving license.

7. Extensive knowledge of the use, application and planning of aerial imagery/survey work.

8. Current UK firearms certificate holder.

Desireable -

1. PPL.

2. Construction/site plant operators license.

3. German/French speaker.

5. Rotary wing experience as crew.

6. Inshore navigation certificate and Safety at Sea Certificate.

7. Degree in forestry/natural resource conservation/husbandry.

8. Shotgun certificate Holder.

All this for the princely sum of just under £17000 p/a.

I wrote back to them asking if they wanted the applicant to be able to turn water into wine, as well.

For some reason I never got a reply.

tac

Grizzly 45

I stuck in for it for the barney of it.Although crap wages, it sure as fuk beats being self employed in this kip betime!
Will no doubt go to some college kid with a degree in biology and SFA knowledge of the really real world.:rolleyes:

Grizzly 45

Ok got an email from the dept that they recived a blank detailed application PDF form from me,and could I fill it out and send it back to them ASAP by 1o clock tomrrow??
Intrestingly enough,I NEVER got the detailed round 2 pdf application in the first place! So how could I have sent it back blank or not?

Anyway, as predicted ,give it to some mid 20 year old college kid who has a degree in some "ology"and a degree in" burro crat" speak and wouldn't know a deer snare if it was around their neck and jerking them off the ground.:rolleyes:

The four questions are a total bollix of report writing in specific beuracrat speak that needs four words to say one word,and still not make any sense at all.
As Tac pointed out changing water into wine seems to be required here as well,or maybe "changing the chemical compound of hydrogen and two parts of oxygen into a alcoholic beverage made by extracting the juices vine fruits and transmuting them by a process of viti culture and fermantation into an alcoholic beverage by micraclious means".:rolleyes:

Rosahane

I suspect that there is little or no chance of anybody with knowledge and experience getting these jobs. They will not want anybody that is likely to challenge the hierarchy or point out the likely incompetence and ineptitude of many of their superiors or, Shock horror, want to change how things are done.

Even if you have an impeccable CV and fit the criteria in the job spec candidates will be weeded out at the interview stage which will then be conducted in wholly subjective manner and will be chaired by one of the management team.

The technique will be to focus the interview on trying to catch you out with stuff you don't know and not what you can bring to the role. Expect lots of questions on health and safety, how good are your presentation and interpersonal skills for dealing with the public and lobby groups etc.

BattleCorp

Rosahane wrote: »

I suspect that there is little or no chance of anybody with knowledge and experience getting these jobs.

With the money they are offering, anybody with knowledge and experience couldn't afford to take one of those jobs.

dodderangler

Talking with a fella I know who is a game warden last week and mentioned this to him and he told me only people who get these jobs are people who are known by other rangers. Friends or family members etc. So I won't be expecting a call off them

Grizzly 45

NOT surprising there at all DA.
It's the usual who you know what what you know Irish way of doing things...Or "Well we just have to do this as a formality to satisfy the law,but shure your son/daughter,other relative has the job no bother.":rolleyes:
No wonder this country is utterly screwed.

tac foley

DA beat me to it there. I'm betting a pound to a pinch of parrot sh*t that the job has already been decided, but that the necessary formality of putting the job application out to the public has to be seen to be done for legal porpoises.

Shame, eh?

tac

minktrapper

Is the application date over or did they by any chance extend it

minktrapper

Seeing as both myself and Eddie B both have extensive knowledge of trapping mink we should be just given the job. Do applicants have to be able to speak Irish?

tac foley

Do the mink, in your experience, expect to be trapped in Irish?

tac

Rimfire Shooter

tac foley wrote: »

Do the mink, in your experience, expect to be trapped in Irish?

tac

Absolutely brilliant reply

dodderangler

minktrapper wrote: »

Seeing as both myself and Eddie B both have extensive knowledge of trapping mink we should be just given the job. Do applicants have to be able to speak Irish?

How? Trapping mink doesn't exactly make you qualified for the job unless the whole job itself is just trapping mink

minktrapper

Rimfire Shooter wrote: »

Absolutely brilliant reply

Once upon a time in this country you had to be able to speak Irish I think to be in the civil service. This is what we call being sarcastic. I am of course open to being corrected.

minktrapper

dodderangler wrote: »

How? Trapping mink doesn't exactly make you qualified for the job unless the whole job itself is just trapping mink

I kind of guessed that too.

Rimfire Shooter

minktrapper wrote: »

Once upon a time in this country you had to be able to speak Irish I think to be in the civil service. This is what we call being sarcastic. I am of course open to being corrected.

Everything is not about you. I simply appreciated Tac's comeback to your comment as you'll note I quoted his & not yours..

tac foley

Tá mé tú, tú chréatúr olc, mar sin tá tú!

tac

Eddie B

Well lads, done the interview! They weren't very impressed with my voluntary work with Birdwatch Ireland, nor my Pine Marten Radio Tracking work with The Irish Wildlife Trust. Didn't even give a dalm about my Mink Trapping skills! But once i showed them my Condescending and belittling skills, their eye's lit up. Practically have it in the bag lads! Lol

Grizzly 45

I have studied many hours of Waylon Smithers from The Simpsons,for tips and how to guide on toadying,sympering and being a general doormat..Should be no bother then this interview.

BUACHAILL

Has anybody heard anything back ?

SakoHunter75

Park rangers to be hired amid poaching concerns

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/park-rangers-to-be-hired-amid-poaching-concerns-434764.html

Grizzly 45

Got my polite "please fuk off,you over qualified in the real world so and so" generic text from public jobs.ie today.:rolleyes:

I guess my walking on water,raising the dead ,and turning water into wine and back again,skills weren't enough for the job these days!:P

dodderangler

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Got my polite "please fuk off,you over qualified in the real world so and so" generic text from public jobs.ie today.:rolleyes:

I guess my walking on water,raising the dead ,and turning water into wine and back again,skills weren't enough for the job these days!:P

As I posted before I was told off my local bailiff you need to know someone or be family of someone in it to get it. A lot of people who applied are probably still more experienced than the actual rangers out there
Hard luck anyway. I also got the email last week

BattleCorp

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Got my polite "please fuk off,you over qualified in the real world so and so" generic text from public jobs.ie today.:rolleyes:

I guess my walking on water,raising the dead ,and turning water into wine and back again,skills weren't enough for the job these days!:P

dodderangler wrote: »

As I posted before I was told off my local bailiff you need to know someone or be family of someone in it to get it. A lot of people who applied are probably still more experienced than the actual rangers out there
Hard luck anyway. I also got the email last week

Congratulations on not getting a job that would have you going to a soup kitchen to keep yourself fed.

Jack the Stripper

You get free work wear every two years.

BattleCorp

Jack the Stripper wrote: »

You get free work wear every two years.

Ah well in that case yez missed out lads.

ligertigon

Grizzley, Would you not look for your score? and some feedback?
If anything, it makes them nervous!!

If you ask me, you dodged a bullet. The ideal candidate will be someone who has no ingenuity and is happy never to take a chance on something that might better the system.

I applied, but never sent in the second ad-hoc update part, because that faffing around enlightened me what I'd be getting in to...:D

blackpearl

These jobs are gone before the interview,they have to be seen to interview people to follow protocall,same happens for jobs for river baleiffs nothing has changed in this country.

rpmcmurphy

blackpearl wrote: »

These jobs are gone before the interview,they have to be seen to interview people to follow protocall,same happens for jobs for river baleiffs nothing has changed in this country.

Care to prove that hypothesis? And what is a river bailiff? Never seen that position advertised anywhere. You hold a narrow minded view of public sector recruitment and are using antiquated terminology in your comparisons.Your opinions are unsubstantiated. Have you given consideration to the fact that competition for jobs in this sector is extremely competitive I.e. Countless hundreds of highly educated candidates versus a handful of jobs?
Easy to spin the old it's who you know spiel with little evidence to back it up in reality.

Grizzly 45

Would be rather embarrassing for those involved if it is true that...Yeah why not?A FOIA request might be a good start..

cookimonster

rpmcmurphy wrote: »

Care to prove that ..............Easy to spin the old it's who you know spiel with little evidence to back it up in reality.

This maybe correct in relation to direct recruitment of new entrants into the public sector, but
when it comes to internal appointments etc the 'old boy network' is still in play.
Essential and desirable prerequisites are tailored for individuals or competitions are only advertised at the last moment.

Both myself and my wife as well as a good few family members have long term service in the public sector and to tell you the truth even in today's times of so called transparency nothing has changed that much.

blackpearl

rpmcmurphy wrote: »

Care to prove that hypothesis? And what is a river bailiff? Never seen that position advertised anywhere. You hold a narrow minded view of public sector recruitment and are using antiquated terminology in your comparisons.Your opinions are unsubstantiated. Have you given consideration to the fact that competition for jobs in this sector is extremely competitive I.e. Countless hundreds of highly educated candidates versus a handful of jobs?
Easy to spin the old it's who you know spiel with little evidence to back it up in reality.

YES i will, and by the way it not speculation cause i was that man a few years back and let me tell you nothing has changed.

Went for a job a few years back as a bailiff or fisherie officer as it is known now,i was interviewed by head bailffs their were 3 of them 2 of them did not know their ass from their head, again its who you know the other one i could not fault he was one of the best. Now at the time i was one of the few quailfied fishing guides in the country got that when i was in Scotland and got another Irish qualified guide here in Ireland thats here nor their that was after the interview.

Now to the interview the other 2 lets call them the pretenders for now started asking me questions and i started answering them i started going on about the rivers in the area naming spawning streams and stuff about the coast line they just sat their with their mouths open for most of the time they had not a clue what i was talking about ,the other bailiff just sat their and smiled he new me and the knowlage i had about the area,as you can guess i did not get the job the 2 jobs went to to grand chaps i have to say ,but they had not got a clue i had to show one of them a spawing stream that the pretenders did not know about .

A few weeks after i met the lets say the real bailiff we went for a cup of tea he told me i had done a top class interview the other 2 boys were shaking their heads when i left the room they could not belive my knowalage of the local rivers i was fishing all these rivers with my dad since i was 4 and hunting along them in the winter so new them very well,the real bailiff then told me that that the 2 jobs where gone 2 weeks before i had done the interview their were people pulling ropes not strings for these people TDs even got involved ,now as it turned out after about 10 years the 2 boys got to grip with the bailiff job, but they got the jobs because of who they knew not because of what the knew ,and belive me nothing has changed and you who came on here spouting out of you with your big words you know i am right.

rpmcmurphy

blackpearl wrote: »

YES i will, and by the way it not speculation cause i was that man a few years back and let me tell you nothing has changed.

Went for a job a few years back as a bailiff or fisherie officer as it is known now,i was interviewed by head bailffs their were 3 of them 2 of them did not know their ass from their head, again its who you know the other one i could not fault he was one of the best. Now at the time i was one of the few quailfied fishing guides in the country got that when i was in Scotland and got another Irish qualified guide here in Ireland thats here nor their that was after the interview.

Now to the interview the other 2 lets call them the pretenders for now started asking me questions and i started answering them i started going on about the rivers in the area naming spawning streams and stuff about the coast line they just sat their with their mouths open for most of the time they had not a clue what i was talking about ,the other bailiff just sat their and smiled he new me and the knowlage i had about the area,as you can guess i did not get the job the 2 jobs went to to grand chaps i have to say ,but they had not got a clue i had to show one of them a spawing stream that the pretenders did not know about .

A few weeks after i met the lets say the real bailiff we went for a cup of tea he told me i had done a top class interview the other 2 boys were shaking their heads when i left the room they could not belive my knowalage of the local rivers i was fishing all these rivers with my dad since i was 4 and hunting along them in the winter so new them very well,the real bailiff then told me that that the 2 jobs where gone 2 weeks before i had done the interview their were people pulling ropes not strings for these people TDs even got involved ,now as it turned out after about 10 years the 2 boys got to grip with the bailiff job, but they got the jobs because of who they knew not because of what the knew ,and belive me nothing has changed and you who came on here spouting out of you with your big words you know i am right.

My apologies for utilising big words. Perhaps your pygmy-esque vocabulary and grammatical bankruptcy were factors also considered by the interview panel when assessing your application. At least you have found solace in the "old it's who you know" excuse when coming to terms with not making the cut.

blackpearl

What would i except from a pig but a grunt.

BattleCorp

rpmcmurphy wrote: »

My apologies for utilising big words. Perhaps your pygmy-esque vocabulary and grammatical bankruptcy were factors also considered by the interview panel when assessing your application. At least you have found solace in the "old it's who you know" excuse when coming to terms with not making the cut.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You are being fairly insulting when there is no need for it.


Anyway, I've a similar tale from my time interviewing for the public service (years ago). I applied for a pretty unique job within the public service. It's my belief that I was one of the few people in the state actually qualified to do the job. I didn't even get called for an interview. Several months later I happened to meet someone high up in that Department and they told me that the job was gone long before it was even advertised.

It was probably a coincidence that the job went to a family member of the top guy in the Department.