Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

Saipanne

riffmongous wrote: »

Has Mcgregors high profile and popularity had an effect on mma though? It hasn't led to an increase in non McG ppv figures from what I see on mmapayout.

I suppose Jose Aldo's profile and ppv numbers might be an indicator, before and after McGregor arrived?

Depp

fcuk mayweather at this stage, hes just trying to stay relevent, he wants the fight so bad let him step in the cage, really tarnishing his legacy by putting so much effort into calling out a guy who isn't even a boxer.

MagicIRL

riffmongous wrote: »

Has Mcgregors high profile and popularity had an effect on mma though? It hasn't led to an increase in non McG ppv figures from what I see on mmapayout.

Well since Conor joined the UFC we've had 2 UFC Cards in Dublin, BAMMA in the 3 Arena, Bellator coming over for a slice of the action. Look at the amount of MMA gyms around the country now, too.

Then, you have Rolls Royce giving him free cars, American TV eating him up, Sponsorship left and right, movie deals, book deals, it's incredible!

Jodotman

I think Mayweather forgets that Mcgregor was sick going into the first fight with Diaz. It's why mcGregor gassed out so early. Did Conor use it as an excuse? Not whatsoever!!

Joe discusses this around the three minute mark.

EagererBeaver

Depp wrote: »

fcuk mayweather at this stage, hes just trying to stay relevent, he wants the fight so bad let him step in the cage, really tarnishing his legacy by putting so much effort into calling out a guy who isn't even a boxer.

Ffs, what rubbish.

Gamebred

Terrific trolling from Floyd all the mma fans are in a frenzy.

EagererBeaver

MagicIRL wrote: »

Well since Conor joined the UFC we've had 2 UFC Cards in Dublin, BAMMA in the 3 Arena, Bellator coming over for a slice of the action. Look at the amount of MMA gyms around the country now, too.

Then, you have Rolls Royce giving him free cars, American TV eating him up, Sponsorship left and right, movie deals, book deals, it's incredible!

Yes, but that's all exclusively McGregor's impact. What happens once he's gone? Will it last without his presence?

Gamebred

Hahahaha face timing Nate this is brilliant.

wonderfullife

paulieeye wrote: »

wtf...is floyd actually pushing for this? So #50 for him would be an MMA fighter?? Has he compared their last PPV figures and seen the mcg is getting maybe 3 times the numbers??

I'm in a tiny minority that thinks this fight will happen.

Ari Emmanuel ruthlessly loves money and has leveraged billions in debt to buy the UFC.

Goldman Sachs and Deutsche Bank and the rest who underwrote the initial $2.17 billion loan are not in the business of their borrowers passing up $100 million paydays and the UFC could realistically recoup that in this.

Conor and Floyd also love money.

A fight between them would at the very least eclipse 3.5 million buys and, very possibly, could do astronomic figures - over 5 million is not unrealistic considering the 50-0 angle, the MMA v boxing angle, the trash-talk angle, Conor bringing his steady 1.6 million PPV (and growing) numbers across to Floyd's world.

5 million buys and you're talking serious money. They charged $89.95 for the Manny fight. They could realistically charge $99.95 for Floyd v Conor. You're talking $500 million in gross revenue before costs (which I won't guess at) and that gross number increases hugely when you consider global syndication, overseas PPV buys, a potential MTV-style reality TV show following Floyd and Conor around etc.

WME-IMG are all about content creation.

Factor in possibility of something ridiculous happening at pressers or weigh-ins to make the thing explode beyond belief. I.e. Conor aiming a hook-kick at Floyds face during a heated stare-down, just missing his head and both camps piling into a melée - breaking the internet.

Ari Emmanuel and Patrick Whitesell are the only people who matter in this - not Dana White - from the perspective of Conor being 'allowed' to take the fight. Dana has as much say in this fight happening as I have in the next Budget in the Dail.

Plus, and this is an excellent point made by Richard Hunter on TFATK podcast, Conor could really do with not being champion at Lightweight in the near-future. If, for example, they made Conor v Floyd, September 2017 and Conor v GSP/NICK Diaz (at catchweight/welterweight!) February 2018, they'd have to strip the LW title and that works out perfect for Conor because it takes him to the last fight on his contract.

The Champions contract means if you're the title holder with one fight left on your deal, you're automatically granted a new contract. It's in the provision of the old one - so not a choice.

If you're not a champion, you go to free agency.

Conor absolutely makes more money on his next UFC contract if he can negotiate from free agency. He'll just say "pay me what I want or I'll set up my own fight in Cardiff, fill out an 80,000 seater stadium, promote it myself etc."

If Conor is truly as smart as he says (business wise), he'll look to go: Floyd first, GSP/Nick second, and do everything possible to be stripped of the LW strap so he can enter free agency to re-negotiate his new contract. The other option to get out of the contract is the Ali Act road but that's confrontational. Just box Floyd, fight Nick or GSP at 165/170/175, and be stripped.

From a sporting standpoint the above is obviously cynical and he should just defend his belts and forget boxing and forget Welterweight. But this isn't sport now with UFC leveraged to the eye-balls in debt.

riffmongous

But if Conor fights while still with the UFC he will lose a tonne of money to them

Gamebred

Better earning a fortune and paying the UFC a slice than earning nothing.

wonderfullife

riffmongous wrote: »

But if Conor fights while still with the UFC he will lose a tonne of money to them

Short term yep.

But he's never gonna be a boxer long-term. His long-term money is with the UFC.

Better to make them a big chunk up front for a Floyd fight, take 1 non-title fight outside LW in the UFC, be stripped, get new UFC contract as free agent.

The worst thing he can do from a business standpoint is be the LW champion when he has one fight left on his deal. Disastrous in terms of his re-negotiating tools. So he either gets the new deal tied down over the coming months or does all he can to avoid defending LW strap - which should be easy with options like GSP and Nick Diaz floating around.

Too Tough To Die

wonderfullife wrote: »

I'm in a tiny minority that thinks this fight will happen.

Ari Emmanuel ruthlessly loves money and has leveraged billions in debt to buy the UFC.

Goldman Sachs and Deutsche Bank and the rest who underwrote the initial $2.17 billion loan are not in the business of their borrowers passing up $100 million paydays and the UFC could realistically recoup that in this.

Conor and Floyd also love money.

A fight between them would at the very least eclipse 3.5 million buys and, very possibly, could do astronomic figures - over 5 million is not unrealistic considering the 50-0 angle, the MMA v boxing angle, the trash-talk angle, Conor bringing his steady 1.6 million PPV (and growing) numbers across to Floyd's world.

5 million buys and you're talking serious money. They charged $89.95 for the Manny fight. They could realistically charge $99.95 for Floyd v Conor. You're talking $500 million in gross revenue before costs (which I won't guess at) and that gross number increases hugely when you consider global syndication, overseas PPV buys, a potential MTV-style reality TV show following Floyd and Conor around etc.

WME-IMG are all about content creation.

Factor in possibility of something ridiculous happening at pressers or weigh-ins to make the thing explode beyond belief. I.e. Conor aiming a hook-kick at Floyds face during a heated stare-down, just missing his head and both camps piling into a melée - breaking the internet.

Ari Emmanuel and Patrick Whitesell are the only people who matter in this - not Dana White - from the perspective of Conor being 'allowed' to take the fight. Dana has as much say in this fight happening as I have in the next Budget in the Dail.

Plus, and this is an excellent point made by Richard Hunter on TFATK podcast, Conor could really do with not being champion at Lightweight in the near-future. If, for example, they made Conor v Floyd, September 2017 and Conor v GSP/NICK Diaz (at catchweight/welterweight!) February 2018, they'd have to strip the LW title and that works out perfect for Conor because it takes him to the last fight on his contract.

The Champions contract means if you're the title holder with one fight left on your deal, you're automatically granted a new contract. It's in the provision of the old one - so not a choice.

If you're not a champion, you go to free agency.

Conor absolutely makes more money on his next UFC contract if he can negotiate from free agency. He'll just say "pay me what I want or I'll set up my own fight in Cardiff, fill out an 80,000 seater stadium, promote it myself etc."

If Conor is truly as smart as he says (business wise), he'll look to go: Floyd first, GSP/Nick second, and do everything possible to be stripped of the LW strap so he can enter free agency to re-negotiate his new contract. The other option to get out of the contract is the Ali Act road but that's confrontational. Just box Floyd, fight Nick or GSP at 165/170/175, and be stripped.

From a sporting standpoint the above is obviously cynical and he should just defend his belts and forget boxing and forget Welterweight. But this isn't sport now with UFC leveraged to the eye-balls in debt.

5 million at 100 dollars a pop? Not a hope in hell.

wonderfullife

Too Tough To Die wrote: »

5 million at 100 dollars a pop? Not a hope in hell.

Floyd - Manny did 4.4 million @ 90 dollars.

Why not? Conor absolutely dwarves Manny in terms of social media following and PPV buy-rates.

Too Tough To Die

wonderfullife wrote: »

Floyd - Manny did 4.4 million @ 90 dollars.

Why not? Conor absolutely dwarves Manny in terms of social media following and PPV buy-rates.

49-0 v 0-0.

That's why not.

Depp

Too Tough To Die wrote: »

49-0 v 0-0.

That's why not.

people would buy for the spectacle, not necessarily the contest, if you think conors profile wont make up being 0-0 you're being very naive

riffmongous

wonderfullife wrote: »

Short term yep.

But he's never gonna be a boxer long-term. His long-term money is with the UFC.

Better to make them a big chunk up front for a Floyd fight, take 1 non-title fight outside LW in the UFC, be stripped, get new UFC contract as free agent.

The worst thing he can do from a business standpoint is be the LW champion when he has one fight left on his deal. Disastrous in terms of his re-negotiating tools. So he either gets the new deal tied down over the coming months or does all he can to avoid defending LW strap - which should be easy with options like GSP and Nick Diaz floating around.

Depends what he wants to do long term, Pacquiao made a few multiples of McGregor's entire net worth when he fought Mayweather. The difference between an independent fight and a UFC-brokered fight could be mean never having to fight again.

When I look at the PPV figures and the difference between Conor and others, my conclusion is that people watch Conor and not the UFC and he would be better off doing independent promotions and getting most of the money out of it for himself.

Gamebred

Conor would guarantee about 2 million buys alone from his mma fan base imo, he now has 2 belts and is an even bigger start after 205, could floyd bring in 2m boxing fans? not sure I'd hazard a guess and say 3 to 3.5m buys if it happened, the build up would be gold.

darced

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GerryDerpy

Too Tough To Die wrote: »

49-0 v 0-0.

That's why not.

That makes no sense.

Whelo79

darced wrote: »

Who told Rogan this if Conor wasn't making an excuse?

I presume USADA have to be informed to clear him to take any medication for it.

Duff

Whelo79 wrote: »

I presume USADA have to be informed to clear him to take any medication for it.

I'm pretty sure Kavanagh said it after Diaz 2 at some stage as well.

Outlaw Pete

Any talk about a mix of mma / boxing rules in any potential fight between McGregor and Floyd is foolish. There is not a hope we are looking at another Ali v Inoki..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9poeyYIHZEY

... what we are looking at, AT BEST, is at a straight boxing match with Floyd wearing 4 to 8oz gloves. That is something they can sell to the public as Conor's most impressive wins have involved his punching ability and there is history of Floyd taking issue with opponents (Maidana in particular) lighter gloves..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI8K829pEaU

May weather conceding to a fight with mma gloves would be huge, not just in terms of more potential blunt force, but also because he is used to (as are all boxers) utilising the larger sized gloves in terms of defence.

It's probably all bluster but I do think Floyd will fight again (think JohnSBG has a point about it being too tempting a prospect for him to retire at 50-0 than 49-0) and so why not go this route. Think it's a case of 'Shut up and take my money's for a whole heap of people, of which I am definitely one.

EagererBeaver

If the fight was ever to happen, which it won't, Floyd would concede nothing. He got canelo to cut a further 2lbs to 152 and calls all the shots here. He's the alpha, not McGregor.

Depp

EagererBeaver wrote: »

If the fight was ever to happen, which it won't, Floyd would concede nothing. He got canelo to cut a further 2lbs to 152 and calls all the shots here. He's the alpha, not McGregor.

its nothing to do with being alpha its just the way floyd goes on, he wont take a fight unless any possible advantage falls in his favour, he never has

EagererBeaver

Depp wrote: »

its nothing to do with being alpha its just the way floyd goes on, he wont take a fight unless any possible advantage falls in his favour, he never has

I'm not saying it's about Floyd being the alpha therefore he won't concede anything. I'm stating the fact - he calls the shots and gets what he wants or it doesn't happen (if it was ever to happen), therefore discussion about using MMA gloves and the like is completely moot.

Depp

EagererBeaver wrote: »

I'm not saying it's about Floyd being the alpha therefore he won't concede anything. I'm stating the fact - he calls the shots and gets what he wants or it doesn't happen (if it was ever to happen), therefore discussion about using MMA gloves and the like is completely moot.

true that...if its ever going to happen with floyd itll be in a ring at 152 with 8oz gloves

EagererBeaver

Depp wrote: »

true that...if its ever going to happen with floyd itll be in a ring at 152 with 8oz gloves

Or 147.

Lukker-

EagererBeaver wrote: »

Or 147.

Conor couldn't make 147 with boxing procedure and early weigh ins I don't think. Pretty sure they do hydration tests, you can't kill yourself as much as in MMA.

Im a massive Conor fan but if he fights Floyd its just a cash grab from the two fighters. Coming from a guy who doesn't give a crap what they make for a fight I want to see Conor fight Khabib next.