Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

Tazzimus

Dtp1979 wrote: »

Your talking good (Kavanagh) versus great (bravo). Eddie stoned, would beat Kavanagh

In fairness, I've rolled with lads in stoned and un-stoned states, they're pretty much always better when stoned

Gamebred

Kavanagh has a % of cyber thug in him somewhere, a lot braver on social media I find and out spoken than you'd see from him in person, he tried to say the tweet was about one of his young pro's and not Ferguson pmsl.

EagererBeaver

mdwexford wrote: »

Will it be Bruce or Michael Buffer doing the intros is the key talking point.

Maybe Bruce for Conor and Michael for Floyd. A Lets get ready to rumbleeeeeee followed by itssssssss time!!!

Good times.

Jimmy Lennon Jr if it ends up on Showtime.

wonderfullife

meridiangroup wrote: »

Certainly seems to be a duplicitous aspect to Kavanagh's personality, at least as far as different mediums are concerned. In interview's/ IRL he often seems diffident and respectful. On social media, his takes sometimes verge on the crass and immature. I get that this two sided dynamic isn't exactly unique to him but suffice to say he certainly seems more personable IRL...

Anyways, he's got a book to hawk, so that goes some way in explaining it.

Yeah, well obviously that one time I.......ahem..... he came across a really nice person. But then on social media it's like a complete different person but as you say I think we all suffer from that problem to an extent.

The tweet he made about Tony ended up on 5 of the regular click-bait type sites like Pundit Arena, BJPenn.com etc I suppose they say all publicity is good publicity.

Anyway, this fight is definitely happening with Conor and Floyd, you can tell by Dana's body language when he answered the question tonight.

"I'm confident of getting it done".

He spent the other 3 minutes calling Oscar de la Hoya every name under the sun (hypocrite, 2 faced, weirdo):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3IAREEeakA

Mellor

Dtp1979 wrote: »

Your talking good (Kavanagh) versus great (bravo). Eddie stoned, would beat Kavanagh

Being stoned is an advantage for Eddie.

At their prime Eddie was considerably better. Right now he's recovering from back surgery so doubt he's up to much.

wonderfullife

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRektvFL0_I

Mellor

Can't view the above video.
But general rule for clickbait headlines is if it's a question. The answer is no.

wonderfullife

Mellor wrote: »

Can't view the above video.
But general rule for clickbait headlines is if it's a question. The answer is no.

It's a good 9 minute breakdown for the naysayers.

Shows Aldo throwing the exact same outside-leg-plant, right-fake, left-cross combination against Florian and how Kenny reacted to it. Kenny backed up and used his right hand to frame, allowing Aldo to come over his guard with the left.

Makes the argument that Kavanagh/Conor studied the Florian fight and had the counter to this combo ready.

Instead of Conor backing up and framing, he used his right hand to pull down Aldo's fake-right creating a lane for the counter-left by swiveling his hips.

Basically, it's for everyone saying "Aldo was too emotional, he never fights like this" it shows that against taller southpaws this was one of his go-to-combos and not an unusual one to throw.

TL;DR - SBG at the time were saying they don't train opponent-specific but I think behind the scenes they did their homework impeccably pre-fight.

fitzparker

wonderfullife wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRektvFL0_I

this fella has some time on his hands..... making a near 10 minute video on a 13 second clip holy jaysus :D:D:D:D:D:D

wonderfullife

fitzparker wrote: »

this fella has some time on his hands..... making a near 10 minute video on a 13 second clip holy jaysus :D:D:D:D:D:D

:pac:

He's very good. We've all seen the Aldo fight plenty of times but he emphasises how key it was for Conor to use his right hand to pull down Aldo's fake-right to create the gap for the counter. It's easy to miss that in real time.

Fall_Guy

wonderfullife wrote: »

:pac:

He's very good. We've all seen the Aldo fight plenty of times but he emphasises how key it was for Conor to use his right hand to pull down Aldo's fake-right to create the gap for the counter. It's easy to miss that in real time.

Was that really key though?? It was a fake that was always going to fall way short and could be thrown over the top of. Parrying the punch with the right only really served to open himself up more to the left hook that Aldo was hoping to land....in fairness conor committed to throwing over that (edit) right from Aldo and got his just rewards but the margin between success and failure for each fighter in that exchange is so fractional. Aldo was far more reckless and paid the price, but conor did bite on that fake and was open himself (as evidenced by Aldo still landing while unconscious). I'm sure it makes it all the more bitter a pill for Aldo to swallow.

wonderfullife

Fall_Guy wrote: »

Was that really key though?? It was a fake that was always going to fall way short and could be thrown over the top of. Parrying the punch with the right only really served to open himself up more to the left hook that Aldo was hoping to land....in fairness conor committed to throwing over that left from Aldo and got his just rewards but the margin between success and failure for each fighter in that exchange is so fractional. Aldo was far more reckless and paid the price, but conor did bite on that fake and was open himself (as evidenced by Aldo still landing while unconscious). I'm sure it makes it all the more bitter a pill for Aldo to swallow.

Maybe you're right. I just feel like in parrying that fake down, Conor removed any possibility of Aldo blocking the counter and it's much easier to land when there's no guard as opposed to trying to land over the top of the guard.

I don't even think Aldo was that reckless because the whole world expected him to kick Conor's lead legs to smithereens so he may have thought Conor wouldn't be expecting the combo he had thrown multiple times in the Florian fight.

Anyway if he hurries up and books any sort of fight soon that'd be great :pac:

D.Q

I would have really loved to see them slug it out properly.

Dtp1979

D.Q wrote: »

I would have really loved to see them slug it out properly.

They did, Aldo just wasn't quick enough

myshirt

D.Q wrote: »

I would have really loved to see them slug it out properly.

No payment for overtime in this job. This isn't Public Sector Ireland.

cloudatlas

Thought it was funny that kavanagh said he wouldn't approach Freddie Roach because his approach to training for mayweather didn't work when Freddie laughed at Conor boxing Mayweather and said it would take 5 years to train him for that fight.

Kavanagh also said that Conor wanted an 'insurmountable challenge', well yes, it is.

wonderfullife

cloudatlas wrote: »

Thought it was funny that kavanagh said he wouldn't approach Freddie Roach because his approach to training for mayweather didn't work when Freddie laughed at Conor boxing Mayweather and said it would take 5 years to train him for that fight.

Kavanagh also said that Conor wanted an 'insurmountable challenge', well yes, it is.

Yeah I thought it was a serious flaw in logic and completely un-necessary to bring Freddie's name into it.

His argument was:

"I'm an evidence based guy..... Freddie has already trained a southpaw to fight Floyd and lost, so why would I want him involved?".

By that logic, why did John train Conor for the Diaz rematch? Conor being a southpaw who already lost to Diaz...

What happened to 'Win or Learn'? He's basically implying Freddie Roach, one of the best boxing trainers of all time, is incapable of learning from defeats but he, John Kavanagh, is.

If anything you would think Freddie having trained a fighter who lost to Floyd would be the best man for the job because he would have a better idea of what doesn't work against Floyd and how to try implement what does work.

It came across as a petty dig at him. I'm sure it wasn't *meant* that way but I can only read the words on the page.

wonderfullife

wonderfullife wrote: »

It came across as a petty dig at him. I'm sure it wasn't *meant* that way but I can only read the words on the page.

You can only make so many 'accidental' petty comments before it becomes obvious they are not accidental.

Kavanagh comes across as very smug, self-congratulatory, always making sly digs. I wouldn't mind but at the same time he tries to come across as a cod-philosopher, giving life tips, pontificating on how to be a better person etc.

CatFromHue

When or where did Kavanagh say that?

Gamebred

Amazing how you never hear Roddy spouting that absolute rubbish JK does, top bloke proven best striking coach on the planet doesn't get enough credit.

Ultimate Seduction

Was Kavanagh always so smug or did Conors money change him?

Spudman_20000

Ah lads, sure boxing is only a limited form of combat anyway. Piece of cake when they only need to focus on one discipline. :rolleyes:

Subcomandante Marcos

Gamebred wrote: »

Amazing how you never hear Roddy spouting that absolute rubbish JK does, top bloke proven best striking coach on the planet doesn't get enough credit.

Yeah because besides Conor all sbg guys are outstanding strikers. Just look back at the spectacular striking or Pendred with his famous fists of fury and the stand up prowess of Aid Daly...

Most of Conor's skills when it come to striking were developed in a boxing gym before he ever heard of John's garage.

cloudatlas

Deleted User wrote: »

Kavanagh comes across as very smug, self-congratulatory, always making sly digs. I wouldn't mind but at the same time he tries to come across as a cod-philosopher, giving life tips, pontificating on how to be a better person etc.

Yea he predicted the winner of jose aldo vs max holloway and was super smug about it, conveniently forgetting the multiple times he's called fights wrong.

pastorbarrett

Gamebred wrote: »

Amazing how you never hear Roddy spouting that absolute rubbish JK does, top bloke proven best striking coach on the planet doesn't get enough credit.

JK's persona and media presence is certainly a conundrum of sorts. In a public sense, he runs the spectrum from unaffected and unassuming right through to sanctimonious.

I'm guessing, probably like most of us would be, he's at once enthralled and repelled by what such a platform affords. Sure it affords stature and prominence, but you're also somewhat at the mercy of legions of baying idiots only too happy to come at you with their own moralizing and take on things etc.

Ultimately, I'd also guess he knows this is all somewhat transitory and it's all a chance to have some fun/ build up the gym and other fighters/ make a nice retirement fund. I certainly get that aspect of it if that is indeed the case...

cloudatlas

meridiangroup wrote: »

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Ultimately, I'd also guess he knows this is all somewhat transitory and it's all a chance to have some fun/ build up the gym and other fighters/ make a nice retirement fund. I certainly get that aspect of it if that is indeed the case...

Of course it is the case, why write a book now otherwise. Don't worry if any 'idiots' contradict him he is so unaffected he dedicates whole facebook posts to them.

pastorbarrett

cloudatlas wrote: »

Of course it is the case, why write a book now otherwise. Don't worry if any 'idiots' contradict him he is so unaffected he dedicates whole facebook posts to them.

Perhaps we just get JK the actual man, warts and all. We live in the age of the seemingly accessible but ever more manicured public persona - the contradiction that is over-sharing but with the content ever more censorious and carefully chosen. He does seem to skirt these conventions.

Certainly, it's becoming of a martial arts coach to embody humbleness and teach the art of catching fly's with chopsticks, but lest we forget he's also the coach of easily the biggest star in an organisation that increasingly centres itself on entertainment and braggadocio above everything else.

hewhoscares

Deleted User wrote: »

wonderfullife wrote: »

It came across as a petty dig at him. I'm sure it wasn't *meant* that way but I can only read the words on the page.

You can only make so many 'accidental' petty comments before it becomes obvious they are not accidental.

Kavanagh comes across as very smug, self-congratulatory, always making sly digs. I wouldn't mind but at the same time he tries to come across as a cod-philosopher, giving life tips, pontificating on how to be a better person etc.

Agree with all this. When I first got into MMA (as part of the McGregor hype machine) I found him interesting and couldn't get enough of hearing him from interviews as such. But on twitter he comes across as smug and condescending and really put me off him. Long form interviews like the Dolce podcast he comes across much better.
He's very much IAMVERYSMART kinda guy, in the way smug atheists so often are. He knows better than all. I remember a post which he piggybacked a McGregor post calling him genius (think it was around the time of the "retirement" ) and he shoe-horned a paraphrased opening line like 'As someone with a top degree in a difficult subject, I'm obviously intelligent...'

jcd5971

cloudatlas wrote:

Thought it was funny that kavanagh said he wouldn't approach Freddie Roach because his approach to training for mayweather didn't work when Freddie laughed at Conor boxing Mayweather and said it would take 5 years to train him for that fight.

I can't think of a non-****y way to say this but why would anyone have a Freddie roach as a head coach any more, sure I can see the value of his knowledge.

But with his disease he is limited in what physical coaching he provides.
And sometimes it takes him an age to get out what he wants to say.

I seen an interview with him recent enough and it was hard to watch.

I can 100% see why someone with him for years would stay with him, but a new rookie boxer or even a celeb Conor type... Surely there's better options.

Again not trolling or looking to insult Freddie roach as a person. Just a question that I've wondered Bout him for a while

Ultimate Seduction

Floyd told Freddie to train Conor so that would be enough of a reason not to be trained by Fredie.

I think Conor will do his training with Pakie Collins and probably a few amateurs