Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

Nates too big for 170 now hes a monster wants to fight at 205lb the mac life report.

VW 1

Lukker- wrote:

GSP vs Nate is a high possibility for the first fight. Either at 155 or 170.

Doesn't gsp struggle to make 170 never mind 155?

Lukker-

GSP vs Nate is a high possibility for the first fight. Either at 155 or 170. Opens the door to fighting Conor in the second fight. GSP has a clause in his new contract that he gets to pick his first 2 fights. Freddie Roach was instrumental in getting the UFC and GSP to sit down and organize everything. Roach has also said GSP is his primary focus now and that he'll be cornering him when he comes back.

dashoonage

I reckon GSP would take mayweather...

Inviere

dave1982 wrote: »

Ive no interest whatsoever in GSP v Conor

It certainly beats Mayweather v McGregor...

krustycustomer wrote: »

Why are ratings measured in PPV's? Doesn't sound like they consider how much they cost? Or do they all cost the same? Would assume the top fighters cost more to watch, less PPV's but more profit made. Hard to rate fighters and cards as it takes years to know how much each card makes overall but PPV doesnt seem accurate.

Not sure why you think it take years to know how much a card made.

AlmightyCushion

krustycustomer wrote: »

Why are ratings measured in PPV's? Doesn't sound like they consider how much they cost? Or do they all cost the same? Would assume the top fighters cost more to watch, less PPV's but more profit made. Hard to rate fighters and cards as it takes years to know how much each card makes overall but PPV doesnt seem accurate.

The PPVs all cost the same.

krustycustomer

Why are ratings measured in PPV's? Doesn't sound like they consider how much they cost? Or do they all cost the same? Would assume the top fighters cost more to watch, less PPV's but more profit made. Hard to rate fighters and cards as it takes years to know how much each card makes overall but PPV doesnt seem accurate.

dave1982

Ive no interest whatsoever in GSP v Conor

He has you there Gamebred! :pac: :pac: :pac:

Django99

I have a little more hope than the above, I think Maia and Romero will both get a shot within a year.

185- think Romero will get the shot in May/June. Reports say GSP won't have a fight till September or later. They need to have a PPV once every 6 weeks or so, and they need to have title fights on the PPVs (unless 2 big stars fight, but they all want title fights now too). I would go as far to say I would be surprised if Romero doesn't fight Bisping before GSP fights at all.

170- McGregor could throw a spanner in the works here but I'm not sure he will. Financially it's probably worth it for him to spend a year or even more trying to get the Floyd fight, which would dwarf any UFC fight he could have in terms of pay (co-promotion etc.). So whoever wins at 209 will defend against a real contender again in 2017. Could be GSP or Nick Diaz admittedly, but Maia would be willing to fight quite soon I imagine. The other two will have more patience I think and wait until a fight that suits them better appears.

Gamebred wrote: »

I know its a not a legit sport where contenders get deserved shots, its gone even worse in the last while with the interim joke belts, Maia should be fighting for the strap next so should Romero no question about it but everyone can tell the pair them are going to be ****ed off royally somehow as a purist it sickens me,

But again I probably take some blame because I tune in no matter what fights they give us so I suppose im part of the problem,

Its a joke how they use the rankings when it suits them ie negotiating contracts and then throw them out the window to make some crazy matches.

The way it works is simple enough:

1. Conor fights whoever he wants from 145 to 170.
2. GSP fights whoever he wants 170 to 185
3. Everyone else cross your fingers.

wonderfullife wrote: »

But the (sad) truth is Maia headlined the lowest rated UFC on Fox Card EVER.

That matters to the UFC, even before WME/IMG bought them out.

And let's be real, Maia v Condit was a cracking fight on paper too.

So I honestly think Nick Diaz and GSP would get unjust title shots ahead of Maia and Romero and that's just business. It's silly to pretend UFC is a traditional sport, it's prize fighting sold as a "league" with rankings decided by journalists and matches decided (broadly) by 3 men - Sean Shelby, Mick Maynard and Dana White.

I know its a not a legit sport where contenders get deserved shots, its gone even worse in the last while with the interim joke belts, Maia should be fighting for the strap next so should Romero no question about it but everyone can tell the pair them are going to be ****ed off royally somehow as a purist it sickens me,

But again I probably take some blame because I tune in no matter what fights they give us so I suppose im part of the problem,

Its a joke how they use the rankings when it suits them ie negotiating contracts and then throw them out the window to make some crazy matches.

Gamebred wrote: »

Yeah they have me you and everyone included, its getting boring now is what I mean, its gone so stale it has led people to discuss it, its gone full sports entertainment if and when Maia and Romero get overpassed because they arent ppv ''stars'' I will snap.

But the (sad) truth is Maia headlined the lowest rated UFC on Fox Card EVER.

That matters to the UFC, even before WME/IMG bought them out.

And let's be real, Maia v Condit was a cracking fight on paper too.

So I honestly think Nick Diaz and GSP would get unjust title shots ahead of Maia and Romero and that's just business. It's silly to pretend UFC is a traditional sport, it's prize fighting sold as a "league" with rankings decided by journalists and matches decided (broadly) by 3 men - Sean Shelby, Mick Maynard and Dana White.

Yeah they have me you and everyone included, its getting boring now is what I mean, its gone so stale it has led people to discuss it, its gone full sports entertainment if and when Maia and Romero get overpassed because they arent ppv ''stars'' I will snap.

Gamebred wrote: »

Date the last one for me there wonder, its a waste of time the new ufc owners are a law to themselves, this week alone the people they let go says it all they havent a notion, and I admit to wasting numberous posts talking ppv numbers in the past its a lesson learned try learn from my lesson your going around in circles.

100% disagree.

I think it's normal in all sports to talk about numbers whether it's salary or viewership.

Whether it's Zlatans £300,000 a week, Conor's $15 million a fight or the viewing figures between ITV and BBC during Euros or peak viewership of Wimbledon or average attendances at a Munster pro12 match or a UFC of Fox card rating.

I don't see why it's weird to see how your team or your sport is doing. Is it growing or shrinking? Good times or bad times? Is that player worth the money or that fighter worth his purse?

I agree we can get too wrapped up in numbers but I don't think it's weird at all. I guarantee you every single regular poster on this thread has discussed Conor's PPV numbers and salary over the last few years.

Date the last one for me there wonder, its a waste of time the new ufc owners are a law to themselves, this week alone the people they let go says it all they havent a notion, and I admit to wasting numberous posts talking ppv numbers in the past its a lesson learned try learn from my lesson your going around in circles.

scudzilla

wonderfullife wrote: »

Really? :rolleyes:

Someone just got owned :pac::pac::pac:

Gamebred wrote: »

Fans obsessing over ppv numbers is weird,

Really? :rolleyes:

Gamebred wrote:

RDA has headlined 1 ppv,it also had overeem,hendricks,cejudo and joanna on the card and it done 310k buys that is truly shocking

Gamebred wrote: »

The Cm Punk freakshow done 450k or something decent which is good in todays climate, .....

Gamebred wrote: »

Holloway would be a great fight to make after he gets past Aldo, he is a proven draw too didnt 206 do good numbers ppv wise?

Gamebred wrote: »

Was the replay on Christmas eve or day I was thinking about, they replayed 206 and the numbers were crazy I remember reading, different thing that ppv buy but a lot seen Holloway then can only be positive.

Gamebred wrote: »

How many ppv's will this stunt sell compared to how much it annoys the number 1 star?

Gamebred wrote:

I presume nobody will want to get on any of the ppv's now before 200 so 198 and 199 will be out of the question surely,I cant see Conor fighting until ufc 200 tbh.

Gamebred wrote:

It wouldnt surprise me if he fought Conor tbh it would be financial malpractice from everyone involved to not try get it done,him **** talking george would do nearly 2m ppv buys surely.

Gamebred wrote: »

Funny how on the day this card was ''easily'' beating every single record accord to Dana including ppv trends and as the battle with Conor begins its changed to ''one of the highest ppv's ever'' ie not the the record.

Gamebred wrote: »

*SENSEI Portal

The auld ppv final push right there good work from all involved wwe ****.

Gamebred wrote: »

When people are discussing the ppv pull its relevant to point out what I have experienced from casual bandwagon viewers, these people are the ones buying ppv's there isnt 1 million mma fans tuning into these ppvs, ....

Gamebred wrote: »

If you tuned into Diaz McGregor 2.... it was the most watched MMA fight ever according to ppv numbers so the UFC will profit from that on one hand yet strip him on the other they cant have it both ways.

Gamebred wrote: »

The only thing the celeb's will be getting out of having a share is probably comped tickets no chance of any sort of return any time soon, he should ask for bigger ppv percentage.

Gamebred wrote: »

if shes ko'd Conors position gets bigger hes the only fighter with them ppv numbers and the public know on the roster.

finglashoop

Gamebred wrote: »

Fans obsessing over ppv numbers is weird, who gives a **** lads the company is a joke god knows what fights they will make pissing in the wind trying to guess and wasting time posting about it and past ppv buy rates.

I agree. Viewers purses ppv points . Im interested in fights being made to move fighters up the rankings and the rankings being a meritocracy. Both of which are clearly not ufc way of thinking.

On the point of re running cards to boost numbers - surely fox will point out that would be the outlier and can point to viewers of live events.

Fans obsessing over ppv numbers is weird, who gives a **** lads the company is a joke god knows what fights they will make pissing in the wind trying to guess and wasting time posting about it and past ppv buy rates.

Django99 wrote: »

There's not much to suggest UFC has any more viewers now than it did when GSP was around, aside from McGregor fights. PPVs seem to be doing much the same, Fox viewers slightly increasing.

Viewership is apparently dropping off in Brazil though which was probably the 3rd biggest market they had at the time.

It's really hard to say.

But I took a look through the (Average) ratings for UFC on Fox cards for 2013/early 2014.

UFC on Fox 7 - 3.4m (Dan Hendo)
UFC on Fox 8 - 2.6m
UFC on Fox 9 - 2.4m
UFC on Fox 10 - 2.5m

Then 2016

UFC on Fox 18 - 2.4m
UFC on Fox 19 - 2.4m
UFC on Fox 20 - 3.0m (Holly Holm)
UFC on Fox 21 - 1.9m (lowest ever - Maia v Condit)
UFC on Fox 22 - 3.2m (PVZ).

It's hard to draw conclusions from small samples.

However, it seems clear that the audience has not grown much and that women's MMA seems to be going from strength to strength (ratings wise). That's borne out by the impressive numbers Ronda put up before New Years Eve, and by Holly and Paige doing so well, which I honestly didn't anticipate.

Here's the thing though, when they re-ran UFC 206 on Xmas Eve it did an average of 4.7m viewers for a banging card. That's a massive number.

To me that indicates if they put on PPV worthy cards free-to-air then their fan base might actually be far bigger than at first glance and far bigger than it was in 2013.

I suspect they will try to air a replay of a Conor McGregor card on Xmas Eve 2017 on Fox (assuming he fights this year). They'll want to get a HUGE ratings number in the locker to go to war with when the negotiations for TV-rights-deals loom large.

TL;DR - Their fanbase is likely a lot bigger than it was in 2013 and they'll likely have more women headline UFC on Fox cards going forwards.

Django99 wrote: »

There's not much to suggest UFC has any more viewers now than it did when GSP was around, aside from McGregor fights. PPVs seem to be doing much the same,

PPVs are stable or only slightly up but viewers probably higher as more people as streaming (legally and illegally) these days.

Django99

Freddie roach on the MMA hour said he thinks Floyd fight will happen. Floyd told him he wants to do it.

Now all we have to do is wait a few years for negotiations, mentioning each other on social media etc.

Django99

There's not much to suggest UFC has any more viewers now than it did when GSP was around, aside from McGregor fights. PPVs seem to be doing much the same, Fox viewers slightly increasing.

Viewership is apparently dropping off in Brazil though which was probably the 3rd biggest market they had at the time.

ScumLord

Offthewildride wrote: »

When has Conor ever submitted or wrestled someone?

That time he busted his knee during a fight, he fell back on wrestling/grappling and still won.

Mellor wrote: »

They (the UFC) aren't pulling GSP out of retirement. They have no control over that tbh.
GSP indicated his desire to return a long time ago, his retirement was only ever really a hiatus. He's been in contract negotiations for the best part of a year.

True enough, but it's a bit of a coincidence he's coming back now, when Conors running around off the leash picking fights with people not even practicing the same sport as him. Maybe UFC made him an offer he couldn't refuse?

hewhoscares wrote: »

Conor Vs Anyone does 1.5m buys - easily? he didn't even sell that many in his last fight
GSP does over 1m easily? he's only ever sold over 1m when piggybacked with Brock Lesnar and his fanbase.

To be fair UFC is in a different league now than it was while GSP was fighting, there's more money and viewers now.

Wheeliebin30

callaway92 wrote: »

For anyone that hasn't seen it, McGregor's Ariel Helwani interview is going to be on 3e on Wednesday night.

I'd advise not to bother and that's coming from a big admirer.

callaway92

For anyone that hasn't seen it, McGregor's Ariel Helwani interview is going to be on 3e on Wednesday night.