IRE vs NZ rematch: build-up thread

swiwi_

Kiwis want the monkey of our back



This is Grace Andrews and her parents Steve & Holly. They live in the plush Auckland suburb of Remuera. Grace is almost 3 years old. She was just an itch in Steve's pants the last time NZ defeated Ireland in rugby. She wants for nothing, with piano, Mandarin, and horse-riding lessons each week. However, to make her perfect little life complete, Steve & Holly hope for a NZ victory in Dublin. "This is something money can't buy", says Holly.



Winifred Owen is 91 and a life-long AB fan. Winifred was still only a spritely 88, the last time Ireland lost to NZ. Since then, Winifred has had a cataract operation, and moved into her local retirement village. She still remembers George Nepia's last game for NZ. A NZ victory in Dublin is on her bucket list.



Wellington is home to Sanjeeva Ranasinghe. Sanjeeva, or San the man as his Kiwi mates call him, moved from his native Sri Lanka to NZ in 2013 on a wave of optimism after the AB's unbeaten season. His application for permanent NZ residency is currently being processed at NZ immigration. However, following San's request, his application is on hold pending the result of Dublin's rematch. "I've indicated to officials that should NZ lose, I'm not sure I'll want to stay in NZ long-term. I need a country with hope and a future."



This is Dolly the sheep and her pals. Dolly was a spring lamb in 2013, now she is mutton. "We will look to send out a few bleats on twitter if NZ can get the monkey off our back."

So, I know that Ire and NZ still have to play this weekend, but surely the A sides can't lose to Canada or Italy respectively? We will see how long the Kiwi bonhomie lasts should Schmidt and the lads go back to back...

andymx11

That was unexpected..

Someone really isn't taking the loss very well....

Diabhal Beag

Glad to know that we either do the double or we'll be deliberately throwing the match for the benefit of some great current/prospective Kiwis.

swiwi_

Deleted User wrote: »

Someone really isn't taking the loss very well....

No matter how hard I explain to Dolly it was only a game of rugby and that life still goes, she keeps saying I'm trying to pull the wool over her eyes.

And of course once Dolly starts all the rest just row on in behind. Almost as if they were a flock of sheep.

Hagz

All I want to know is the tv channel. Is it strictly eirsport or will it be on Rte?

irishbucsfan

It's a forgone conclusion. New Zealand are a spent force, they're irrelevant to the sport now. This is OFFICIALLY their worst year since 1998.

.ak

The real question here is... will the match get called off if NZ lose to Italy?

irishbucsfan

.ak wrote: »

The real question here is... will the match get called off if NZ lose to Italy?

Nah, the Kiwis are grateful up for the opportunity. In order for them to be the best they need to keep playing the best that the Northern Hemisphere has to offer.

thomond2006

Ireland played New Zealand in 2013 and it finished 22-24.

Bridge93

There are members of that All Black squad who have never beaten Ireland. Will be interesting to see how they overcome that mental block

Jayop

Bridge93 wrote: »

There are members of that All Black squad who have never beaten Ireland. Will be interesting to see how they overcome that mental block

Brilliant!!!

swiwi_

Bridge93 wrote: »

There are members of that All Black squad who have never beaten Ireland. Will be interesting to see how they overcome that mental block

Not to mention having to (maybe) face the pre-match fiddle music again. Maybe NZ should insist on doing the Haka first, Ireland in a pique could then respond by doing the fiddle music in the dressing room rather than on the field. Of course it would be a poorer spectacle without the traditional fiddler but principles are important we all agree.

Hagz

Bridge93 wrote: »

There are members of that All Black squad who have never beaten Ireland. Will be interesting to see how they overcome that mental block

Over half the New Zealand travelling squad have never beaten Ireland. Poor buggers.

PTH2009

thomond2006 wrote: »

Ireland played New Zealand in 2013 and it finished 22-24.

Feels a lot nicer now watching that game now as the monkey is off our backs 3 years later but it was a heart wrenching defeat that should never have happened and has to be put by right by us

It's really a win/win situation for Ireland now After the Chicago win and more pressure will be on the All Blacks

It's going to be a massive game and I for one am delighted I have 2 precious tickets too it (got it late in the Vodafone pre-sale actually, there was only a small non package ticket allocation for the game )

irishbucsfan

We should really be using the New Zealand game for experimentation. I mean in reality what are we going to learn about Rory Best by playing him against New Zealand that we don't already know? #ConservativeJoe will probably go ahead and pick him.

Neil3030

thomond2006 wrote: »

Ireland played New Zealand in 2013 and it finished 22-24.

I know this was a big step for you. Well done.

Neil3030

Approximately 100,000 people, who have been born on the island of Ireland since 2013, have no idea what its like to lose to New Zealand in their lifetime.

Zzippy

thomond2006 wrote: »

Ireland played New Zealand in 2013 and it finished 22-24.

What are you going to do with all the money you're going to save on therapist bills now?

b.gud

Neil3030 wrote: »

Approximately 100,000 people, who have been born on the island of Ireland since 2013, have no idea what its like to lose to New Zealand in their lifetime.

Swiwi have you got any stats about how many New Zealander have been born that have no idea what it's like to beat Ireland??

Sanjuro

I have two children who have never seen Ireland lose to New Zealand. I don't want to have to explain a loss to them. Or what rugby is.

thomond2006

Zzippy wrote: »

What are you going to do with all the money you're going to save on therapist bills now?

Invest in my Neil Francis ligind t-shirt range.

icdg

Hagz wrote: »

All I want to know is the tv channel. Is it strictly eirsport or will it be on Rte?

This ones on RTE (and Sky Sports too).

molloyjh

I missed this thread yesterday evening. Gold. Pure gold. I think we might be getting back into the swing of how to do these pre-match threads properly again.

DGRulz

First the win in Chicago and now with Munster beating the Maori you'd have to think the NZRU will be trying to import some Irish project players in the next few years.

DGRulz

DGRulz wrote: »

First the win in Chicago and now with Munster beating the Maori you'd have to think the NZRU will be trying to import some Irish project players in the next few years.

Got a leaflet in the door this morning offering scholarships to top New Zealand schools for the kids... Saw someone I didn't recognise at mini rugby last Sunday, all adds up now.

The Rape of Lucretia

irishbucsfan wrote: »

We should really be using the New Zealand game for experimentation. I mean in reality what are we going to learn about Rory Best by playing him against New Zealand that we don't already know?

That he can be them twice in a row ?


We are not playing that game to learn anything - we are playing it to win it. The Aus game can be used as a development game alright, beating them is not the unprecedented new height that beating the ABs is. When we start beating the ABs more often than they beat us, then we can start using those games to learn about players.

thomond2006

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

That he can be them twice in a row ?


We are not playing that game to learn anything - we are playing it to win it. The Aus game can be used as a development game alright, beating them is not the unprecedented new height that beating the ABs is. When we start beating the ABs more often than they beat us, then we can start using those games to learn about players.

Whoosh....?

Felix Jones is God

I enjoyed reading this thread, thanks very much for putting a smile on my face lads

Scythica

Felix Jones is God wrote: »

I enjoyed reading this thread, thanks very much for putting a smile on my face lads

I thoughti was on UAFC for a minute and had to check

swiwi_

05.08.2014: Black Ferns 14 vs Irish Women 17
12.06.2016: Baby Blacks 22 vs Ireland U20 33
05.11.2016: ABs 29 vs Ireland 40
11.11.2016: Maori ABs 14 vs Munster 27

In other news, scientists have announced that Newton's laws of relativity are in fact a crock of shìt, the Earth is actually flat, and the Sun revolves around the planets.

Felix Jones is God

I think you'll find the sun revolves around Joe Schmidt! For he is the centre of our universe

swiwi_

swiwi_ wrote: »

05.08.2014: Black Ferns 14 vs Irish Women 17
12.06.2016: Baby Blacks 22 vs Ireland U20 33
05.11.2016: ABs 29 vs Ireland 40
11.11.2016: Maori ABs 14 vs Munster 27

In other news, scientists have announced that Newton's laws of relativity are in fact a crock of shìt, the Earth is actually flat, and the Sun revolves around the planets.

Newton's laws of.... Relativity?

Yeah they would be a crock of **** tbf.

padser

irishbucsfan wrote: »

We should really be using the New Zealand game for experimentation. I mean in reality what are we going to learn about Rory Best by playing him against New Zealand that we don't already know? #ConservativeJoe will probably go ahead and pick him.

Are we really going to start this again?

Joe, win ratio 66%
Kidney, win ratio 53%
Eddie, Win ratio 64% (itself a record).

In three seasons Joe has gotten us 2 6 nations (ie 2 from 3) with us having previously win the 6 nations once before (ever).

We have beaten SA away from home (never before done) and beaten NZ (never before done).

We didn't get to a semi final of WC and havn't yet won a grand slam.

But overall, it's a bloody amazing record, and it follows a bloody amazing record at leinster (indicating it's not a fluke).

Playing NZ isn't a time to experiment or blood new players, it's a time to try and beat them. (Imho). What I'm certain of, is that Joe has shown time and again an ability to make the right calls and I wish we would stop consistently firing negative stuff at him.

padser

irishbucsfan wrote: »

We should really be using the New Zealand game for experimentation. I mean in reality what are we going to learn about Rory Best by playing him against New Zealand that we don't already know? #ConservativeJoe will probably go ahead and pick him.

Are we really going to start this again?

Joe, win ratio 66%
Kidney, win ratio 53%
Eddie, Win ratio 64% (itself a record).

In three seasons Joe has gotten us 2 6 nations (ie 2 from 3) with us having previously win the 6 nations once before (ever).

We have beaten SA away from home (never before done) and beaten NZ (never before done).

We didn't get to a semi final of WC and havn't yet won a grand slam.

But overall, it's a bloody amazing record, and it follows a bloody amazing record at leinster (indicating it's not a fluke).

Playing NZ isn't a time to experiment or blood new players, it's a time to try and beat them. (Imho). What I'm certain of, is that Joe has shown time and again an ability to make the right calls and I wish we would stop consistently firing negative stuff at him.

padser

padser wrote: »

Are we really going to start this again?

Joe, win ratio 66%
Kidney, win ratio 53%
Eddie, Win ratio 64% (itself a record).

In three seasons Joe has gotten us 2 6 nations (ie 2 from 3) with us having previously win the 6 nations once before (ever).

We have beaten SA away from home (never before done) and beaten NZ (never before done).

We didn't get to a semi final of WC and havn't yet won a grand slam.

But overall, it's a bloody amazing record, and it follows a bloody amazing record at leinster (indicating it's not a fluke).

Playing NZ isn't a time to experiment or blood new players, it's a time to try and beat them. (Imho). What I'm certain of, is that Joe has shown time and again an ability to make the right calls and I wish we would stop consistently firing negative stuff at him.

Sorry man. Lot of these this weekend but

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Sorry man. Lot of these this weekend but

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH

It's got to the point where people can't tell if a joke is a joke.

Maybe there should be [JOKE][/JOKE] tags, or compulsory use of or

P.S. I'm only joking (well, sort of)

Kal El

Basil3 wrote: »

It's got to the point where people can't tell if a joke is a joke.

Maybe there should be [JOKE][/JOKE] tags, or compulsory use of or

P.S. I'm only joking (well, sort of)

Maybe they indeed know its a joke and are thus continuing the joke by writing in a serious manner, those rapscallions

DGRulz

I've seen a lot of people end a sarcastic quip with /s perhaps we needs to start ending things in the thread with /jk.

bilston

To be if you didn't know the poster (IBF in this case) then you'd probably think he was being serious!

irishbucsfan

padser wrote: »

Are we really going to start this again?

Joe, win ratio 66%
Kidney, win ratio 53%
Eddie, Win ratio 64% (itself a record).

In three seasons Joe has gotten us 2 6 nations (ie 2 from 3) with us having previously win the 6 nations once before (ever).

We have beaten SA away from home (never before done) and beaten NZ (never before done).

We didn't get to a semi final of WC and havn't yet won a grand slam.

But overall, it's a bloody amazing record, and it follows a bloody amazing record at leinster (indicating it's not a fluke).

Playing NZ isn't a time to experiment or blood new players, it's a time to try and beat them. (Imho). What I'm certain of, is that Joe has shown time and again an ability to make the right calls and I wish we would stop consistently firing negative stuff at him.

bilston

irishbucsfan wrote: »

padser wrote: »

Are we really going to start this again?

Joe, win ratio 66%
Kidney, win ratio 53%
Eddie, Win ratio 64% (itself a record).

In three seasons Joe has gotten us 2 6 nations (ie 2 from 3) with us having previously win the 6 nations once before (ever).

We have beaten SA away from home (never before done) and beaten NZ (never before done).

We didn't get to a semi final of WC and havn't yet won a grand slam.

But overall, it's a bloody amazing record, and it follows a bloody amazing record at leinster (indicating it's not a fluke).

Playing NZ isn't a time to experiment or blood new players, it's a time to try and beat them. (Imho). What I'm certain of, is that Joe has shown time and again an ability to make the right calls and I wish we would stop consistently firing negative stuff at him.

Is that your guy from the West Wing?!!!

former total

So, for the rematch?

VDF into the starting side with O'Brien on the bench.

Jackson will displace Carbery

And that's it I'd say. Earls to 23 maybe.

Adbrowne

Think next week will see

McGrath, Best, Furlong, Toner, Dillane, Stander, VDF, Heaslip

Murray, Sexton, Zebo, Henshaw, Payne, Trimble, RK.

Bench: Healy, Cronin, Bealham, Ryan, SoB, L McGrath, Jackson, Earls.

thomond2006

former total wrote: »

So, for the rematch?

VDF into the starting side with O'Brien on the bench.

Jackson will displace Carbery

And that's it I'd say. Earls to 23 maybe.

IMO

Luke McGrath in for Marmion. Dillane in for Ryan. Back row is a lottery as is backup 10.

Buer

former total wrote: »

So, for the rematch?

VDF into the starting side with O'Brien on the bench.

Jackson will displace Carbery

And that's it I'd say. Earls to 23 maybe.

That's it.

Quint2010

Anyone think SOB might actually start next weekend?

Jump_In_Jack

Next week,
Unchanged starting 15 except vdF for Jordi,
SOB to replace vdF on the bench.
Earls 23 instead of Ringrose.

Same for Aussie match, unless injuries.

Going forward to the 6 Nations, McGrath has a shout to get in for Marmion.

Carbery and Ringrose were promising, but being good against Canada means little, they will only get an opportunity to get into the 23 against a Tier 1 opponent through injury.
Should be next summer before they get another run for Ireland unless injuries occur.

Marshall threw one bad intercepted pass,
Arguably the runner was up too flat,
He should have realised it wasn't on,
But other than that he redeemed it with a try and some good carries and some good link ups, particularly in last 10 minutes.
Anyone writing him off yet is being rash.
He is still second choice to Henshaw after tonight.

Pretty much all others played well, but only one that stood out for me was Marmion slowing down the passes from the ruck, particularly in the 1st half.
He seemed to delay fishing out the ball for a slow look around and often took a step or two with the ball before letting it out.
Did I miss something there? Could that have been deliberate to gain some advantage I'm not aware of?

CIARAN_BOYLE

Quint2010 wrote: »

Anyone think SOB might actually start next weekend?

maybe for Aus but I think he is a touch rusty atm

CMOTDibbler

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

Marshall threw one bad intercepted pass,
Arguably the runner was up too flat,
He should have realised it wasn't on,
But other than that he redeemed it with a try and some good carries and some good link ups, particularly in last 10 minutes.
Anyone writing him off yet is being rash.
He is still second choice to Henshaw after tonight.

They were warned by the coaching staff before the match about DTHvdM picking off passes. Bad enough to do it, but when you've been warned...
Also more than a couple of badly timed kicks, one of which went out on the full.

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

Pretty much all others played well, but only one that stood out for me was Marmion slowing down the passes from the ruck, particularly in the 1st half.
He seemed to delay fishing out the ball for a slow look around and often took a step or two with the ball before letting it out.
Did I miss something there? Could that have been deliberate to gain some advantage I'm not aware of?

He does it for Connacht too. he can be snappy, but he can't seem to do it for any kind of protracted number of phases. McGrath is far snappier. and not just on tonight's cameo. It looks nice and calm, the way Marmion stands over the ball and directs traffic,.but the opposition have lined up and are having a Kit-kat while they wait. I had hoped he'd get that out of his game, but it's persisted for too long now.

The Rape of Lucretia

Jump_In_Jack wrote: »

Next week,
Unchanged starting 15 except vdF for Jordi,
SOB to replace vdF on the bench.
Earls 23 instead of Ringrose.

Same for Aussie match, unless injuries.

Agree for the NZ game. Not for the Aus game - even with no injuries, there should be 3-4 changes if Joe is doing things correctly. 1-2 experienced returning starters SOB/Healy/POM maybe. And 1-2 new experiments, Ringrose or Marchal l with Payne to 15, or Dillane to start maybe. Is Hendie likely to be available ? If so, then Hendie also.