Milk Price III

whelan2

whelan2 wrote: »

Glanbia are 30cpl then 0.5cpl from ourselves. We normally get a payment for the uht milk in April's milk cheque. We are still waiting for it. Why is everything such a struggle?

Statements are online now. No payment for the uht. I hate having to beg for money that I should have got months ago. Was promised it would be there

Water John

West Cork 32.46 Holding
Aurivo 30.5 Holding
Dairygold 30 Holding
Glanbia 30.5 Holding
Kerry 30.5 Holding
Arrabawn 30.71 Holding
Lakeland 31.28 Holding
Strathroy

Mortelaro

According to the NMA Newsletter received today,the difference between the price paid for winter milk and spring milk is only about 3c
So on a 500000 litre october to march supply,you'd get 15k
Shur that wouldn't even pay for the labour....
Of course we all know this,(or we should) so apart from farms with not enough MP to expand milk from grazing,why do we do it?
Zero grazing out farms is a delight for processors when they don't have to pay the extra cost of it
We have according to one of our esteemed members here the largest processor in the country delaying paying a uht every day collection bonus too

Are we all mad ? And before anyone asks yes this has been brought up at various meetings by lone contributors to gasps of silence

Gawddawggonnit

Water John wrote: »

West Cork 32.46 Holding
Aurivo 30.5 Holding
Dairygold 30 Holding
Glanbia 30.5 Holding
Kerry 30.5 Holding
Arrabawn 30.71 Holding
Lakeland 31.28 Holding
Strathroy

If you want to put in Terra Lacta (FR) John, it’s
39.4cpl (add Irish vat) for July.

Mooooo

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

If you want to put in Terra Lacta (FR) John, it’s
39.4cpl (add Irish vat) for July.

What's base solids dawg? 3.3p and 3.6bf here. A+b-c calculations then

jaymla627

Mortelaro wrote: »

According to the NMA Newsletter received today,the difference between the price paid for winter milk and spring milk is only about 3c
So on a 500000 litre october to march supply,you'd get 15k
Shur that wouldn't even pay for the labour....
Of course we all know this,(or we should) so apart from farms with not enough MP to expand milk from grazing,why do we do it?
Zero grazing out farms is a delight for processors when they don't have to pay the extra cost of it
We have according to one of our esteemed members here the largest processor in the country delaying paying a uht every day collection bonus too

Are we all mad ? And before anyone asks yes this has been brought up at various meetings by lone contributors to gasps of silence

What would your own reaction be if Glanbia said they where implementing a bonus/penalty scheme so as to even out milk supply which would enable them to pay a better price as in no months milk supply can drop below 8% of peak months milk and if you don’t comply you get severe penalties like 6 cent a litre on all litres. supplied if you go over 12% of supply any month,....
All penalty monies is then paid out in winter months to suppliers that meet whatever threshold is set, their would be uproar but this is basically the system run by a lot of European processors who are used to benchmark Irish price off, given the debt that has been taken on by Irish processors to facilitie the spring flush, it’s little wonder they have no appetite to pay extra for winter milk, their is zero incentive as they aren’t trying. To maximize processing capacity year round

Mortelaro

jaymla627 wrote: »

What would your own reaction be if Glanbia said they where implementing a bonus/penalty scheme so as to even out milk supply which would enable them to pay a better price as in no months milk supply can drop below 8% of peak months milk and if you don’t comply you get severe penalties like 6 cent a litre on all litres. supplied if you go over 12% of supply any month,....
All penalty monies is then paid out in winter months to suppliers that meet whatever threshold is set, their would be uproar but this is basically the system run by a lot of European processors who are used to benchmark Irish price off, given the debt that has been taken on by Irish processors to facilitie the spring flush, it’s little wonder they have no appetite to pay extra for winter milk, their is zero incentive as they aren’t trying. To maximize processing capacity year round

They do need a certain amount of milk for liquid
Would it pay suppliers to supply just that liquid amount and nothing else no
Would it pay a lot of them to supply it in spring instead if they have enough land?
Yes
Thats my point
I think a lot of European suppliers need to be indoors even in Summer, they'd go broke on Irish prices
I don't think even the fairly placid Irish supplier would stay placid if processors tried to wipe out producers summer margins
That might be the camel that breaks the straws back here alright

alps

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

If you want to put in Terra Lacta (FR) John, it’s
39.4cpl (add Irish vat) for July.

If we were paid 40c, we'd give it all away on inputs, land rent and machinery and complicated systems..

Happens the world over

mahoney_j

alps wrote: »

If we were paid 40c, we'd give it all away on inputs, land rent and machinery and complicated systems..

Happens the world over

And don’t forget the ski holidays and sure fook
It well break out and head on a cruise or something in summer as well !!!!

Timmaay

Mortelaro wrote: »

They do need a certain amount of milk for liquid
Would it pay suppliers to supply just that liquid amount and nothing else no
Would it pay a lot of them to supply it in spring instead if they have enough land?
Yes
Thats my point
I think a lot of European suppliers need to be indoors even in Summer, they'd go broke on Irish prices
I don't think even the fairly placid Irish supplier would stay placid if processors tried to wipe out producers summer margins
That might be the camel that breaks the straws back here alright

A Glanbia rep told a neighbour of mine getting into milk that they would have almost zero interest in taking on new entrant winter milk suppliers, instead absolutely everything seems geared towards spring milk, which Glanbia obviously have decided they can flog all on as a commodity and the lower cost spring producers will still make a margin at the lower prices they pay.

I don't think I know one single dairyfarmer who regrets exiting any sort of split calving for compact spring calving however, as you said with the 3c/l different it's simply not worth the effort. I'll admit to being still sore as to how the spring lads like me who were still filling our small liquid contracts got forced out the start of this year, that arrangement using the few march/April stale cows and culls to fill the liquid contract while milking OAD in Jan suited me well.

Gawddawggonnit

whelan2 wrote: »

Glanbia are 30cpl then 0.5cpl from ourselves. We normally get a payment for the uht milk in April's milk cheque. We are still waiting for it. Why is everything such a struggle?

I wouldn’t stand for that kind of treatment. Your terms with the Coop is 30days in arrears? Then why doesn’t 30days apply for UHT milk?

We get paid by dd three times a month...no matter what.

Gawddawggonnit

Mooooo wrote: »

What's base solids dawg? 3.3p and 3.6bf here. A+b-c calculations then

3.2p and 3.8bf are base, then a+b-c.

We don’t get charged anything for transport either...

jaymla627

whelan2 wrote: »

Statements are online now. No payment for the uht. I hate having to beg for money that I should have got months ago. Was promised it would be there

Would you not just hand in your notice to leave, it would put a rocket up them, and your under no obligation to actually leave anyway at the end of notice period

Gawddawggonnit

alps wrote: »

If we were paid 40c, we'd give it all away on inputs, land rent and machinery and complicated systems..

Happens the world over

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I’d rather be paid for what my produce is worth...we don’t surf the wave of boom & bust because with mixed farming sure as sh1t when milk is a good price then something else is on the floor.

Funny enough post all the same...I presume that the butter produced from the milk here is that white disgusting stuff that ye tasted in Moorepark ‘19, but I’m getting well paid for it...funny that?

kevthegaff

Their now taking out the good fats and proteins in milk and adding back vegetable fat to pass as butter to lower end countries like Nigeria etc. I think the days of Ireland being seen as lead producer in meat and milk are numbered when our processors are altering the main ingredients to such an extent that is it real butter anymore? The same can probably be said for processed meat.

Gawddawggonnit

kevthegaff wrote: »

Their now taking out the good fats and proteins in milk and adding back vegetable fat to pass as butter to lower end countries like Nigeria etc. I think the days of Ireland being seen as lead producer in meat and milk are numbered when our processors are altering the main ingredients to such an extent that is it real butter anymore? The same can probably be said for processed meat.

At what stage does it become palm oil powder/butter?

Dumping crap like that into W. African markets does nothing for the Eu dairy industry...and the African dairy industry.

Gawddawggonnit

Mortelaro wrote: »

I think a lot of European suppliers need to be indoors even in Summer, they'd go broke on Irish prices
I don't think even the fairly placid Irish supplier would stay placid if processors tried to wipe out producers summer margins
That might be the camel that breaks the straws back here alright

I can only speak for French producers in the Grande Ouest...milk produced in Mar/Apr/May/June has 1cpl deducted and that ‘pot’ is redivided out to every litre produced in July/August/Sept (French off peak production mts). Works out at about 2.7-3cpl for those months.

Lots of dairy farmers have no successors that are willing to milk cows, and who can blame them?
However if there was a Tams in place I’d pretty much guarantee a tsunami of milk out of France because the beef men would abandon ship fairly lively...


[ I quite fancy a heavily discounted 60bail rotary myself!!]

Panch18

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

I can only speak for French producers in the Grande Ouest...milk produced in Mar/Apr/May/June has 1cpl deducted and that ‘pot’ is redivided out to every litre produced in July/August/Sept (French off peak production mts). Works out at about 2.7-3cpl for those months.

Lots of dairy farmers have no successors that are willing to milk cows, and who can blame them?
However if there was a Tams in place I’d pretty much guarantee a tsunami of milk out of France because the beef men would abandon ship fairly lively...


[ I quite fancy a heavily discounted 60bail rotary myself!!]

So you have a high milk price and no tams and expensive concrete

I would say every dairy farmer in Ireland would give their left arm to be getting the price you are getting for milk, even if it meant no tams or concrete a bit dearer - because without a shadow of doubt the high milk price is worth a lot more than the tams - which a lot of farmers have never availed of I might add

So be grateful for what you have I reckon

tanko

Tams is just a subsidy for the construction industry.

Panch18

tanko wrote: »

Tams is just a subsidy for the construction industry.

Never a truer word written

Gawddawggonnit

tanko wrote: »

Tams is just a subsidy for the construction industry.

Surely, using your logic, Tams is a subsidy for dairy processors...?

Mooooo

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Surely, using your logic, Tams is a subsidy for dairy processors...?

It could be argued it is a subsidy for all those outside the farm gate. Brother is building a house, the electrician told him it was farmers doing different jobs requiring the qualified electricians etc kept them going. Same for a lot lads. When the Farm waste mgt scheme was there there were new companies appeared and disappeared building tanks and aeration systems as it opened and closed. Obv it gets lads in to gear 're facilities but no plenty that worked away outside of it due to the extra delays and costs it entailed particularly when linking to existing facilities

K9

Received €48000 from tams. Apart from cost of getting plans drawn up and applying, what I got done didn’t cost me anymore without going for grant. If I had to borrow the 48k it would be minimum 60k to repay with interest. Delighted to get it

Gawddawggonnit

K9 wrote: »

Received €48000 from tams. Apart from cost of getting plans drawn up and applying, what I got done didn’t cost me anymore without going for grant. If I had to borrow the 48k it would be minimum 60k to repay with interest. Delighted to get it

Nice one. Delighted for you!

I’m kinda in that place where I should invest in a rotary parlor but I’m at the age where I’d find it hard to invest a ball of money on a machine that could be worthless in a very short time. I’ve no successor and nobody that’d be interested enough to grow and invest in dairying.
If Tams was available to me I’d invest in a heartbeat...it would take the sting out of it. But without Tams I’d find it easier to invest in land...

K.G.

Just a little heads up that we could be in for bumpy ride on milk price in next 12 months

Mooooo

K.G. wrote: »

Just a little heads up that we could be in for bumpy ride on milk price in next 12 months

Any reasoning given?

greenfield21

Probably info from some owl lad down the pub. In fairness it's been a good run. I think a downturn may not be a bad thing in case supply runways away with itself.

Water John

A good run at 30c? You have very low expectations of what is a reasonable return.
A couple of processor CEOs have been putting out the vibe but then they did last year too.

greenfield21

Yes I would be happy if milk stayed around 30c. Anything lower I might consider cutting back on one of my ski holidays. Hopefully we don't see much volatility with big Phil there to cushion the blow.

K.G.

greenfield21 wrote: »

Probably info from some owl lad down the pub. In fairness it's been a good run. I think a downturn may not be a bad thing in case supply runways away with itself.

You know him as well......maybe more west cork but all areas affected. A number of things going on but glanbia are playing politics trying to weild power.