Won't someone think of the children

Edups

Teachers going on strike Monday indefinitely, seems all this was stemmed when bus drivers got a raise in their pay, but where does the money come from? Everyone deserves a decent wage for hard work, but at the end of the day the leaving cert students are the ones who suffer. Not much I can say but if you're in a school that's closed from Monday and you're sitting your leaving cert I feel bad for you. It's not so bad since you can study but students doing projects that can count for 40% of their mark, it's really ****ty.

Captain Chaos

It was the Luas drivers that started the ball rolling. But yes wages need to match the costs of living and costs are going up year on year while wages have not moved in 8 years or so and in most cases dropped with increased taxes.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Students won't suffer, this aspect of it gets completely blown out of proportion.Results in the LC and JC depend almost entirely by how hard the student works and students don't need the help of teachers to study.

Edups

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Students won't suffer, this aspect of it gets completely blown out of proportion.Results in the LC and JC depend almost entirely by how hard the student works and students don't need the help of teachers to study.

Indeed, but when projects can't be finished in time because they need to finished in school, it does directly affect the student.

lawlolawl

Children? Them bastards?

They don't know how good they have it.

theoneeyedman

Edups wrote: »

Teachers going on strike Monday indefinitely, seems all this was stemmed when bus drivers got a raise in their pay, but where does the money come from? Everyone deserves a decent wage for hard work, but at the end of the day the leaving cert students are the ones who suffer. Not much I can say but if you're in a school that's closed from Monday and you're sitting your leaving cert I feel bad for you. It's not so bad since you can study but students doing projects that can count for 40% of their mark, it's really ****ty.

Leaving cert students should be allowed attend school, regardless of supervision.
Vast majority of LC students are over 18. They can get married, drive a car, vote, join the army, drink alcohol, smoke, etc legally, but they can't attend school because teacher isn't available to look over their shoulders during break times.
It's a ****ing joke

SEPT 23 1989

send the army in

Pherekydes

My daughter's doing her LC and she's really frustrated...





...that her school is unaffected by the strike.

Edups

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

send the army in

"WHAT IS THE 2+4 MAAAAAAGGGGGGOT."

"... 6 and my name is Margaret sir"

lawlolawl

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

send the army in

Yeah, train the kids up for a few months and then have them kill each other for college places, "Battle Royale"-style.

Uriel.

The teachers went on strike when I was doing the leaving. We gave them a hard time over that... For weeks the classes were disrupted because students would be shouting striiiiike every time the teachers gave out. Then the students went out in strike for a day or two.

We were ****ing idiots... Some of the bigger idiot students went on strike for a few more days... Think they're sweeping the streets or in Australia now.

evolving_doors

Just cut to the point op...
bad teachers.
3months holidays.
Gold plated pensions.
See: Dog in a manger

Edups

Uriel. wrote: »

Think they're sweeping the streets or in Australia now.

Australia? Well la de da.

weldoninhio

theoneeyedman wrote: »

Leaving cert students should be allowed attend school, regardless of supervision.
Vast majority of LC students are over 18. They can get married, drive a car, vote, join the army, drink alcohol, smoke, etc legally, but they can't attend school because teacher isn't available to look over their shoulders during break times.
It's a ****ing joke

Where you live the students must be quite slow if the majority are only doing the leaving at 18!! I did mine at 16, turned 17 over the summer I got my results.

evolving_doors

weldoninhio wrote: »

Where you live the students must be quite slow if the majority are only doing the leaving at 18!! I did mine at 16, turned 17 over the summer I got my results.

Well La de da, aren't you the great young fella now.:pac::pac:

Did you not do TY or something?

Didas

weldoninhio wrote: »

Where you live the students must be quite slow if the majority are only doing the leaving at 18!! I did mine at 16, turned 17 over the summer I got my results.

I don't know how long ago you did your leaving, but these days most LC students would be over 18.

Mackman

The teachers striked when I was in my LC year. When they came back from their strike, the first day back we all walked out of class and had our own strike for a day because we weren't happy having our future used as leverage for their pay rise. Pretty sure a good few schools did the same thing, in Kilkenny they did anyway.

The teachers didn't know what to do, telling us that we were risking our LC etc. Hypocrites.

whoopsadoodles

weldoninhio wrote: »

Where you live the students must be quite slow if the majority are only doing the leaving at 18!! I did mine at 16, turned 17 over the summer I got my results.

Most kids start school now when they're 5 or soon to turn 5. Most kids also do transition year. That makes them 18 doing their leaving. Pretty standard nowadays.

_Jamie_

whoopsadoodles wrote: »

Most kids start school now when they're 5 or soon to turn 5. Most kids also do transition year. That makes them 18 doing their leaving. Pretty standard nowadays.

If they were 5 starting and did transition year, that would make them 19 finishing, no? 14 years of schooling.

Edups

_Jamie_ wrote: »

If they were 5 starting and did transition year, that would make them 19 finishing, no? 14 years of schooling.

Depends on when your birthday is. My cousin finished when he was 18, but turned 19 yesterday, my brother will be 17 finishing school but turns 18 next December. Both started school at 5 (my brother started at 4 but turned 5 shortly after)

whoopsadoodles

_Jamie_ wrote: »

If they were 5 starting and did transition year, that would make them 19 finishing, no? 14 years of schooling.

Depends on when they turned 5.

If they turned 5 over the summer before school began, or after they'd already started school (and before the end of the following May). Then they'd be 18.

If they turned 5 any time before the end of the May preceeding their first day in Junior Infants, then they'd be 19.

You've reinforced the point, it's rare for anyone these days to sit their leaving at 16.

PTO

The teachers aren't on strike today. The department of education has taken the action of closing schools that are affected by a withdrawal of supervision. The teachers in these schools will be at the schools for work this morning. They won't be able to get to work because the gates will be locked. They will be locked out. A lock out is not a strike.

Edups

PTO wrote: »

The teachers aren't on strike today. The department of education has taken the action of closing schools that are affected by a withdrawal of supervision. The teachers in these schools will be at the schools for work this morning. They won't be able to get to work because the gates will be locked. They will be locked out. A lock out is not a strike.

Withdrawal of supervision is causing schools to close

Teachers have withdrawn supervision

Teachers caused schools to close

PTO

Edups wrote: »

Withdrawal of supervision is causing schools to close

Teachers have withdrawn supervision

Teachers caused schools to close

Yes... The withdrawal is what has caused the decision to close the schools. But the OP stated that teachers were striking today, which is incorrect. I was just clearing that point up.

Edups

PTO wrote: »

Yes... The withdrawal is what has caused the decision to close the schools. But the OP stated that teachers were striking today, which is incorrect. I was just clearing that point up.

Well it's a strike in the public eye. If the Gardai had said "strike? No we're just not doing police work today", no one would have called it not a strike. Go away out of that now

_Brian

Edups wrote: »

Well it's a strike in the public eye. If the Gardai had said "strike? No we're just not doing police work today", no one would have called it not a strike. Go away out of that now

In fairness PTO was right, that have stopped doing work they weren't getting paid for but are available for their regular paid duties. Being available for their regular work isn't a strike.

After the TDs tried to slip through double pay rises for ministers they stuck two fingers up at all public servants who had pay cut back and pensions reduced.
I support all public servants who line up industrial action now to get their pay restored.

And I don't want to hear Richard Briton going on about what we can afford. We're already borrowing €1.3bln, the TDs we're happy to add to this for themselves to be paid more. We may as well borrow and restore the pay of public servants who the government were happy to screw over again and jump themselves to the front of the que for pay increases.

Fr_Dougal

No school traffic, wahoo!

Chocolate girl

I think it depends on the person doing exams. I've two doing exams this year and thankfully their school is not affected. One would be good and can study at home etc but the other one needs the structure of class and would do nothing. Hope it gets sorted soon for the kids sake.

nice_guy80

Owed money for three years of doing work for free and then it wasn't paid in September?

I know what I would be doing

Chancer3001

Teachers been doing this supervision for free for 3 years.

Doing their bit for the country. Free

Governement said theyd pay them after 3 years. Lied. Didnt pay.

Teachers said fuk off were bot doing it free anymore

Govt locked the schools

nice_guy80

Edups wrote: »

Withdrawal of supervision is causing schools to close

Teachers have withdrawn supervision

Teachers caused schools to close

department and BOMs were meant to have alternative plans in place?
big fail

JustAThought

Chocolate girl wrote: »

I think it depends on the person doing exams. I've two doing exams this year and thankfully their school is not affected. One would be good and can study at home etc but the other one needs the structure of class and would do nothing. Hope it gets sorted soon for the kids sake.

Well if they won't work or study without someone looking over their head what are they bothering for? They won't succeed at college & won't last in a job if they have not been trained in discipline & self control. As a parent you have responsibility in teaching those core values & that dosn't need a teacher/classroom.

KERSPLAT!

I'd love a day off

BoJack Horseman

At any company I've worked for the concept of deciding what minor specifics were or were not part of our job usually ended up with that person having a change of heart or seeking opportunities elsewhere.

The whole dispute is bizzare.

Surely anything you do at your job is your work..... for which you are paid?

Edups

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

I'd love a day off

Manage to get some sleep?

Chocolate girl

JustAThought wrote: »

Well if they won't work or study without someone looking over their head what are they bothering for? They won't succeed at college & won't last in a job if they have not been trained in discipline & self control. As a parent you have responsibility in teaching those core values & that dosn't need a teacher/classroom.

As a parent I have taught those core values. These are teenagers and not all teenagers are perfect and might need some stucture in school and perform better that way. It doesn't mean they won't succeed in college or in a job.

KERSPLAT!

Edups wrote: »

Manage to get some sleep?

Not enough!!

Jawgap

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Students won't suffer, this aspect of it gets completely blown out of proportion.Results in the LC and JC depend almost entirely by how hard the student works and students don't need the help of teachers to study.

I think my youngest would disagree - I'm working from home today to supervise him in his studying.....I gather I've scuppered his plans for a late breakfast followed by a leisurely few hours on the PS4.....

HensVassal

Edups wrote: »

Indeed, but when projects can't be finished in time because they need to finished in school, it does directly affect the student.

What projects count towards LC results?

HensVassal

theoneeyedman wrote: »

Leaving cert students should be allowed attend school, regardless of supervision.
Vast majority of LC students are over 18. They can get married, drive a car, vote, join the army, drink alcohol, smoke, etc legally, but they can't attend school because teacher isn't available to look over their shoulders during break times.
It's a ****ing joke

They are not. Vast majority have just turned 17.

HensVassal

tonygun wrote: »

I don't know how long ago you did your leaving, but these days most LC students would be over 18.

Do children start primary school when they are 6 or 7 now, instead of 5?

That might explain the unusually long delay getting from Kildare to Dublin Airport this morning. They all must be heading to Newry for the Christmas shopping.

Isn't it a bit odd that it's the religious run schools that are closed? Island of Saints and Scholars my ar*e.

HensVassal

whoopsadoodles wrote: »

Most kids start school now when they're 5 or soon to turn 5. Most kids also do transition year. That makes them 18 doing their leaving. Pretty standard nowadays.

What the fuck is this "transition" year bullshit? Is it just another year shoe-horned into the 5 years of secondary to give the little darlings more time to "find themselves"?

HensVassal

HensVassal wrote: »

What the fuck is this "transition" year bullshit? Is it just another year shoe-horned into the 5 years of secondary to give the little darlings more time to "find themselves"?

Both mine did Transition Year. It was wasted on one as they did very little other than go to activity centres and on "tours" which cost a fortune. The second one was much better organised, with first aid, movie making, cooking, good work experience placements, etc and he really gained from it, not least changing his mind as to what he wanted to aim for in College. The second lot funded their own activities from the mini industries they set up, mostly making and selling arts and crafts to fellow students and running a (now banned) tuck shop. They also organised a very successful table quiz and volunteered in a local daycare for the elderly.

fergiesfolly

If the Dept. of Ed closed the schools, rather than the teachers going on strike, am I right in thinking that the teachers will get paid for sitting at home today?

_Brian

fergiesfolly wrote: »

If the Dept. of Ed closed the schools, rather than the teachers going on strike, am I right in thinking that the teachers will get paid for sitting at home today?

Yes. They are available and turning up for work. Why wouldn't they be paid.

Edups

HensVassal wrote: »

What projects count towards LC results?

Off the top of my head, woodwork, history and geography, engineering, technical graphics, art...

evolving_doors

Edups wrote: »

Withdrawal of supervision is causing schools to close

Teachers have withdrawn supervision

Teachers caused schools to close

So let's say a school has got subs in to do the S&S instead of the ASTI members... Those ASTI teachers who went to work and are now teaching.... Should they be docked all their days pay?

evolving_doors

Chocolate girl wrote: »

I think it depends on the person doing exams. I've two doing exams this year and thankfully their school is not affected. One would be good and can study at home etc but the other one needs the structure of class and would do nothing. Hope it gets sorted soon for the kids sake.

Hope it gets sorted for all students (not just exam years)... Also hope it gets sorted for the profession as a whole for years to come, as this affects ALL future students who aren't even in school yet!

freedominacup

tonygun wrote: »

I don't know how long ago you did your leaving, but these days most LC students would be over 18.

My second lad will not be 17 doing his leaving his younger sister will hardly be 17 by the time she gets her results. The number of "kids" at the open night for her first year class that looked like they'll need a pension book by the time the have their leaving cert done was crazy. What is the fascination with endlessly infantilising children currently. Turning 18 after the leaving is one thing but 18/19 doing the leaving as a general rule is crazy.

evolving_doors

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

At any company I've worked for the concept of deciding what minor specifics were or were not part of our job usually ended up with that person having a change of heart or seeking opportunities elsewhere.

The whole dispute is bizzare.

Surely anything you do at your job is your work..... for which you are paid?

What if yer boss told you to take on extra overtime for 3 years and he'd START to pay you when the 3 years were up. Then when the 3 years ended he just said.... no!

Now that would be bizarre!