Won't someone think of the children

Edups · 05-11-2016 05:33PM #1

Teachers going on strike Monday indefinitely, seems all this was stemmed when bus drivers got a raise in their pay, but where does the money come from? Everyone deserves a decent wage for hard work, but at the end of the day the leaving cert students are the ones who suffer. Not much I can say but if you're in a school that's closed from Monday and you're sitting your leaving cert I feel bad for you. It's not so bad since you can study but students doing projects that can count for 40% of their mark, it's really ****ty.

Captain Chaos · 05-11-2016 05:36PM

It was the Luas drivers that started the ball rolling. But yes wages need to match the costs of living and costs are going up year on year while wages have not moved in 8 years or so and in most cases dropped with increased taxes.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 05-11-2016 05:37PM

Students won't suffer, this aspect of it gets completely blown out of proportion.Results in the LC and JC depend almost entirely by how hard the student works and students don't need the help of teachers to study.

Edups · 05-11-2016 05:40PM

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Students won't suffer, this aspect of it gets completely blown out of proportion.Results in the LC and JC depend almost entirely by how hard the student works and students don't need the help of teachers to study.

Indeed, but when projects can't be finished in time because they need to finished in school, it does directly affect the student.

lawlolawl · 05-11-2016 05:42PM

Children? Them bastards?

They don't know how good they have it.

theoneeyedman · 05-11-2016 05:42PM

Edups wrote: »

Teachers going on strike Monday indefinitely, seems all this was stemmed when bus drivers got a raise in their pay, but where does the money come from? Everyone deserves a decent wage for hard work, but at the end of the day the leaving cert students are the ones who suffer. Not much I can say but if you're in a school that's closed from Monday and you're sitting your leaving cert I feel bad for you. It's not so bad since you can study but students doing projects that can count for 40% of their mark, it's really ****ty.

Leaving cert students should be allowed attend school, regardless of supervision.
Vast majority of LC students are over 18. They can get married, drive a car, vote, join the army, drink alcohol, smoke, etc legally, but they can't attend school because teacher isn't available to look over their shoulders during break times.
It's a ****ing joke

SEPT 23 1989 · 05-11-2016 05:45PM

send the army in

Pherekydes · 05-11-2016 05:45PM

My daughter's doing her LC and she's really frustrated...

...that her school is unaffected by the strike.

Edups · 05-11-2016 05:47PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

send the army in

"WHAT IS THE 2+4 MAAAAAAGGGGGGOT."

"... 6 and my name is Margaret sir"

lawlolawl · 05-11-2016 05:52PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

send the army in

Yeah, train the kids up for a few months and then have them kill each other for college places, "Battle Royale"-style.

Uriel. · 05-11-2016 05:56PM

The teachers went on strike when I was doing the leaving. We gave them a hard time over that... For weeks the classes were disrupted because students would be shouting striiiiike every time the teachers gave out. Then the students went out in strike for a day or two.

We were ****ing idiots... Some of the bigger idiot students went on strike for a few more days... Think they're sweeping the streets or in Australia now.

evolving_doors · 05-11-2016 05:58PM

Just cut to the point op...
bad teachers.
3months holidays.
Gold plated pensions.
See: Dog in a manger

Edups · 05-11-2016 05:58PM

Uriel. wrote: »

Think they're sweeping the streets or in Australia now.

Australia? Well la de da.

weldoninhio · 05-11-2016 05:59PM

theoneeyedman wrote: »

Leaving cert students should be allowed attend school, regardless of supervision.
Vast majority of LC students are over 18. They can get married, drive a car, vote, join the army, drink alcohol, smoke, etc legally, but they can't attend school because teacher isn't available to look over their shoulders during break times.
It's a ****ing joke

Where you live the students must be quite slow if the majority are only doing the leaving at 18!! I did mine at 16, turned 17 over the summer I got my results.

evolving_doors · 06-11-2016 12:39AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Where you live the students must be quite slow if the majority are only doing the leaving at 18!! I did mine at 16, turned 17 over the summer I got my results.

Well La de da, aren't you the great young fella now.:pac::pac:

Did you not do TY or something?

Didas · 06-11-2016 12:42AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Where you live the students must be quite slow if the majority are only doing the leaving at 18!! I did mine at 16, turned 17 over the summer I got my results.

I don't know how long ago you did your leaving, but these days most LC students would be over 18.

Mackman · 07-11-2016 04:40AM

The teachers striked when I was in my LC year. When they came back from their strike, the first day back we all walked out of class and had our own strike for a day because we weren't happy having our future used as leverage for their pay rise. Pretty sure a good few schools did the same thing, in Kilkenny they did anyway.

The teachers didn't know what to do, telling us that we were risking our LC etc. Hypocrites.

whoopsadoodles · 07-11-2016 05:39AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Where you live the students must be quite slow if the majority are only doing the leaving at 18!! I did mine at 16, turned 17 over the summer I got my results.

Most kids start school now when they're 5 or soon to turn 5. Most kids also do transition year. That makes them 18 doing their leaving. Pretty standard nowadays.

_Jamie_ · 07-11-2016 07:19AM

whoopsadoodles wrote: »

Most kids start school now when they're 5 or soon to turn 5. Most kids also do transition year. That makes them 18 doing their leaving. Pretty standard nowadays.

If they were 5 starting and did transition year, that would make them 19 finishing, no? 14 years of schooling.

Edups · 07-11-2016 07:27AM

_Jamie_ wrote: »

If they were 5 starting and did transition year, that would make them 19 finishing, no? 14 years of schooling.

Depends on when your birthday is. My cousin finished when he was 18, but turned 19 yesterday, my brother will be 17 finishing school but turns 18 next December. Both started school at 5 (my brother started at 4 but turned 5 shortly after)

whoopsadoodles · 07-11-2016 07:30AM

_Jamie_ wrote: »

If they were 5 starting and did transition year, that would make them 19 finishing, no? 14 years of schooling.

Depends on when they turned 5.

If they turned 5 over the summer before school began, or after they'd already started school (and before the end of the following May). Then they'd be 18.

If they turned 5 any time before the end of the May preceeding their first day in Junior Infants, then they'd be 19.

You've reinforced the point, it's rare for anyone these days to sit their leaving at 16.

PTO · 07-11-2016 07:50AM

The teachers aren't on strike today. The department of education has taken the action of closing schools that are affected by a withdrawal of supervision. The teachers in these schools will be at the schools for work this morning. They won't be able to get to work because the gates will be locked. They will be locked out. A lock out is not a strike.

Edups · 07-11-2016 07:54AM

PTO wrote: »

The teachers aren't on strike today. The department of education has taken the action of closing schools that are affected by a withdrawal of supervision. The teachers in these schools will be at the schools for work this morning. They won't be able to get to work because the gates will be locked. They will be locked out. A lock out is not a strike.

Withdrawal of supervision is causing schools to close

Teachers have withdrawn supervision

Teachers caused schools to close

PTO · 07-11-2016 07:59AM

Edups wrote: »

Withdrawal of supervision is causing schools to close

Teachers have withdrawn supervision

Teachers caused schools to close

Yes... The withdrawal is what has caused the decision to close the schools. But the OP stated that teachers were striking today, which is incorrect. I was just clearing that point up.

Edups · 07-11-2016 08:00AM

PTO wrote: »

Yes... The withdrawal is what has caused the decision to close the schools. But the OP stated that teachers were striking today, which is incorrect. I was just clearing that point up.

Well it's a strike in the public eye. If the Gardai had said "strike? No we're just not doing police work today", no one would have called it not a strike. Go away out of that now

_Brian · 07-11-2016 08:55AM

Edups wrote: »

Well it's a strike in the public eye. If the Gardai had said "strike? No we're just not doing police work today", no one would have called it not a strike. Go away out of that now

In fairness PTO was right, that have stopped doing work they weren't getting paid for but are available for their regular paid duties. Being available for their regular work isn't a strike.

After the TDs tried to slip through double pay rises for ministers they stuck two fingers up at all public servants who had pay cut back and pensions reduced.
I support all public servants who line up industrial action now to get their pay restored.

And I don't want to hear Richard Briton going on about what we can afford. We're already borrowing €1.3bln, the TDs we're happy to add to this for themselves to be paid more. We may as well borrow and restore the pay of public servants who the government were happy to screw over again and jump themselves to the front of the que for pay increases.

Fr_Dougal · 07-11-2016 09:02AM

No school traffic, wahoo!

Chocolate girl · 07-11-2016 09:05AM

I think it depends on the person doing exams. I've two doing exams this year and thankfully their school is not affected. One would be good and can study at home etc but the other one needs the structure of class and would do nothing. Hope it gets sorted soon for the kids sake.

nice_guy80 · 07-11-2016 09:10AM

Owed money for three years of doing work for free and then it wasn't paid in September?

I know what I would be doing

Chancer3001 · 07-11-2016 09:11AM

Teachers been doing this supervision for free for 3 years.

Doing their bit for the country. Free

Governement said theyd pay them after 3 years. Lied. Didnt pay.

Teachers said fuk off were bot doing it free anymore

Govt locked the schools

nice_guy80 · 07-11-2016 09:11AM

Edups wrote: »

Withdrawal of supervision is causing schools to close

Teachers have withdrawn supervision

Teachers caused schools to close

department and BOMs were meant to have alternative plans in place?
big fail

Won't someone think of the children

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