Nissan Navara rusting chassis

RebelOC

WHOOPS!
My 2008 Navara just failed its DOE with the chassis rusted to the point that you can easily put a screw driver through sections of it. I brought it back to Nissan and they are "starting" a "process" to examine the issue.
Having read previous forum discussions I'm not looking forward to this "process"

Can anybody confirm firstly, if the chassis is covered under warranty? (I've heard that the chassis is covered for 10 years but would like to know for sure before I start fighting with Nissan?)
Secondly, I've read a lot of horror stories on this issue on various forums but Nissan Ireland seem to be making some offers against trade-ins or scrapage for Navara's with this issue so can anybody confirm what offers have been made on 06, 07 or 08 models to date so that I'm armed with other offers that have been done before Nissan try to bury yet another problem Navara with the lowest offer against their warranty obligations.

Thanks in advance

Truckermal

There is a thread over on the farming forum about it.

porsche boy

Go to any Nissan dealer. They will buy back '08 Navaras for 6500. Make sure the DOE failure sheet has 'excessive chassis corrosion or underbody rust as a failure.

RebelOC

Thank you porsche boy....
Its market value is higher as its in perfect nik otherwise with only 147000Km on the engine 😂

Im not sure where it will stand as the lower value is only driven by the "under warranty" issue....

I guess I'll find out in the coming days......

porsche boy

RebelOC wrote:

Thank you porsche boy.... Its market value is higher as its in perfect nik otherwise with only 147000Km on the engine 😂

Sorry to say not with a failed DOE & rotten chassis. 2008 is when Nissan rectified the issue & some 2008 will be structurally solid and worth more money, yours is not. Sorry to be blunt about it but better to have realistic expectations. Good luck.

P.S. you might get better value if you were buying a new Navara off them.

Sideshow Cecil

This recently happened a neighbour of mine,after a lot of hassle with Nissan finally got them to admit that his '06 navarra was not roadworthy and agreed a buy back from Nissan in the region of 8.5 k if I recall, took ages to get the money off them and ended up getting a solicitor the finally get his money, get any dealings with the garage on email for proof for failsafe and stand your ground, best of luck!

RebelOC

Thanks for your reply. I suspect I will have to get a solicitor involved. Still no word back from Nissan but I'm certainly not accepting a 6.5K offer as suggested as a solution in an earlier reply.

Thanks again

cplwhisper

Cracking chassis is nissan recall at moment... could be linked to same. Worth a warranty call. Mines a Miller if it can be recalled !

porsche boy

cplwhisper wrote:

Cracking chassis is nissan recall at moment... could be linked to same. Worth a warranty call. Mines a Miller if it can be recalled !

It is a warranty recall at the moment, but their going case by case, not a blanket guarantee you'll get it. A failed DOE stating rotten chassis or similar will definitely strengthen your case. The buyback is not based on spec or extras, just year.
As I previously stated, get the ball rolling now by going to any Nissan dealer and requesting the chassis be inspected for rust/rot. Trying to get more off them because your Navara is 'clean' or 'well minded' is not going to get you anywhere. It's trade value, or bluebook value as some call it.

cplwhisper

porsche boy wrote: »

cplwhisper wrote:

Cracking chassis is nissan recall at moment... could be linked to same. Worth a warranty call. Mines a Miller if it can be recalled !

It is a warranty recall at the moment, but their going case by case, not a blanket guarantee you'll get it. A failed DOE stating rotten chassis or similar will definitely strengthen your case. The buyback is not based on spec or extras, just year.
As I previously stated, get the ball rolling now by going to any Nissan dealer and requesting the chassis be inspected for rust/rot. Trying to get more off them because your Navara is 'clean' or 'well minded' is not going to get you anywhere. It's trade value, or bluebook value as some call it.

Seen that before too. Ex Nissan Warranty staff in my previous life

porsche boy

Interesting.... quite possibly dealt with you in MY previous life.

Edit: Keith???

cplwhisper

Nope... Paul , Nissan Donegal but i dealt with nation wide cases too at time. Insurance staff now so same s**t different title

porsche boy

cplwhisper wrote:

Nope... Paul , Nissan Donegal but i dealt with nation wide cases too at time. Insurance staff now so same s**t different title

Sorry, thought you were based in Nissan H/O when you said that.

CianRyan

I know you think your car is worth more but you have a Navara that to be worth anything other than its weight in scrap metal, needs thousands spent on buying and replacing a chassis. It's crap to hear but the car is essentially worthless.

In the Nissan garage I work in, the process is very simple so I'd be curious to see exactly what's happening with your yoke.

It's worth asking if the garage would offer you anything against the price of the new model Navara too, on top of the warranty claim. Can't hurt to ask and could potentially see you in a better position.

VeVeX

CianRyan wrote: »

I know you think your car is worth more but you have a Navara that to be worth anything other than its weight in scrap metal, needs thousands spent on buying and replacing a chassis. It's crap to hear but the car is essentially worthless.

In the Nissan garage I work in, the process is very simple so I'd be curious to see exactly what's happening with your yoke.

It's worth asking if the garage would offer you anything against the price of the new model Navara too, on top of the warranty claim. Can't hurt to ask and could potentially see you in a better position.

Its Nissans fault they are effectively worthless. They didnt deisgn and manufacture the car properly.

CianRyan

VeVeX wrote: »

Its Nissans fault they are effectively worthless. They didnt deisgn and manufacture the car properly.

Yep, that's why they're offering thousands of euro for otherwise worthless cars.

James Bond Junior

A relative got 6.5k for his 07. He was happy as it was close to what he paid to begin with. It failed the DOE and was so bad the tester wouldn't let him drive it home.

VeVeX

CianRyan wrote: »

Yep, that's why they're offering thousands of euro for otherwise worthless cars.

You make it out like they're doing you a favour.

CianRyan

VeVeX wrote: »

You make it out like they're doing you a favour.

It's a recall, it is what it is but that doesn't stop the fact that they're paying out more than the cars are worth.

VeVeX

CianRyan wrote: »

It's a recall, it is what it is but that doesn't stop the fact that they're paying out more than the cars are worth.

And rightly so. Im sure a lot of people affected would rather have kept their vehicle.

CianRyan

VeVeX wrote: »

And rightly so. Im sure a lot of people affected would rather have kept their vehicle.

They'll honestly buy a better pick up than a writeoff/repaired Navara with the money they'll get. And as said, you'll get a great deal on a brand new, new model Navara if you look for it.

lenihankevin

Happened my 07....Nissan couldn't have been better to deal with...they bought the navara off me and cheque was in my hand within 1 week. The crack in the chassis was noticed by mechanics in a Nissan garage and they did the legwork with Nissan Ireland.

RebelOC

I agree with you VeVeX, it is Nissan's fault and the ONLY reason it wont achieve it's full market value is because of the fault at manufacture and so Nissan can either put a new chassis on it or pay it's value........and not that Trade "cod-ol-ogy" of a Blue Book value....either way, it's up to them. I have no problem leaving this with a Solicitor.....more anon.....

CianRyan

How much do you think your Navara is worth our of interest.

There are two 08 Navaras on Donedeal right now, 1 is €8k and the other is €7.5k, both up for over 20 days which would suggest to me that both are over priced.
€6.5k isn't a mile off, without taking into account what they'll eventually sell for (what they're really worth) and the fact that you can probably get scrapped on your Navara too and bring the worth of the trade up to about €10.5k.

I just can't get my head around going to a solicitor unless you thought your own car was worth €14k/€15k.
By all means though, fire away and get what you think you deserve.

williek74

I had a navara with a rusted chassis 07 with 150k offered by local nissan garage 7k straight buy back 8.5k on secondhand trade in and 10k trade in against new navara
Got advise from solicitor and when mentioned I had seen a solicitor they immediately told me to ring nissan ireland as it was out of their hands now as I had gotten legal advice.
Ended up getting an extra 500 for my trouble! Great as long as the solicitor you see doesn't charge you the 500 for the advice or phone call. (Mine didn't thank god)

millington

CianRyan wrote: »

How much do you think your Navara is worth our of interest.

There are two 08 Navaras on Donedeal right now, 1 is €8k and the other is €7.5k, both up for over 20 days which would suggest to me that both are over priced.
€6.5k isn't a mile off, without taking into account what they'll eventually sell for (what they're really worth) and the fact that you can probably get scrapped on your Navara too and bring the worth of the trade up to about €10.5k.

I just can't get my head around going to a solicitor unless you thought your own car was worth €14k/€15k.
By all means though, fire away and get what you think you deserve.

Of course they're up so long, who in their right mind would buy a Navara at the minute! Even if Nissan paid the current market value, the value is not as high as it should be because of Nissan.

J.pilkington

CianRyan wrote: »

How much do you think your Navara is worth our of interest.

There are two 08 Navaras on Donedeal right now, 1 is €8k and the other is €7.5k, both up for over 20 days which would suggest to me that both are over priced.

Shock horror a 4x4 with massive rust chassis issues which is advertised hasn't sold within 20 days! Who in their right mind would buy these.

Therefore the open market selling price which will reflect the fact that these cars are a timebomb can hardly be used to determine the compensation due!

CianRyan

So what about every 90's Merc, 2000's Alfa, Toyota etc.
Should everyone who currently owns one of those be compensated because they all can suffer from terminal rust?

The fact that they're offering anything is a testament to the brand but somehow the only brand that are offering money back to its customers are the ones getting slated.

J.pilkington

CianRyan wrote: »

So what about every 90's Merc, 2000's Alfa, Toyota etc.
Should everyone who currently owns one of those be compensated because they all can suffer from terminal rust?

The fact that they're offering anything is a testament to the brand but somehow the only brand that are offering money back to its customers are the ones getting slated.

You need to educate yourself of the extent of the rust/ destruction. This is not a little surface rust on a wing. These 4by4s are dangerous.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1hijOHhB3Q

Also a 90s bla bla car is a hell of a lot older than a 2008 4by4.

CianRyan

J.pilkington wrote: »

You need to educate yourself of the extent of the rust/ destruction. This is not a little surface rust on a wing. These 4by4s are dangerous.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1hijOHhB3Q

Also a 90s bla bla car is a hell of a lot older than a 2008 4by4.

Hahaha, mate I work in a Nissan main dealer. I know how bad the rust issue is.
Fine then, take the NB MX5 as early as the mid 2000's with the same issue. Cassis rusting from the inside our, no major recall or compensation offered.

J.pilkington

CianRyan wrote: »

Hahaha, mate I work in a Nissan main dealer. I know how bad the rust issue is..

Ahh now your reply makes sense! Toeing the corporate line:rolleyes:

Kat1170

CianRyan wrote: »

So what about every 90's Merc, 2000's Alfa, Toyota etc.
Should everyone who currently owns one of those be compensated because they all can suffer from terminal rust?

The fact that they're offering anything is a testament to the brand but somehow the only brand that are offering money back to its customers are the ones getting slated.

None of them had to change their whole corporate identity because their name became synonymous with RUST. ;);)

DATSUN =====> NISSAN :rolleyes::P

history repeating itself ????

VeVeX

CianRyan wrote: »

compensation offered.

Compensation? They're buying back cars because they made a hames of it rather than risking a flurry of legal action. Subsequently why anyone with even the slightest degree of intelligence would opt for a new Navara is beyond me, even at a discount. It would be like catching your finger in a door then doing it a second time to see if it was less painful.

CianRyan

Yep, go ahead and disregard my opinion because I work in a garage that services Nissans. It's not like a Nissan mechanic would know anything about Nissans. :rolleyes:
Well, I hope for my managers sake none of you live near to where I work, to date we've had nothing but pleasant customers with this issue.

I'm out of this conversation anyway, anything I have to say seems to be wasted on deaf ears.

Ded_Zebra

CianRyan wrote: »

Yep, go ahead and disregard my opinion because I work in a garage that services Nissans. It's not like a Nissan mechanic would know anything about Nissans. :rolleyes:
Well, I hope for my managers sake none of you live near to where I work, to date we've had nothing but pleasant customers with this issue.

I'm out of this conversation anyway, anything I have to say seems to be wasted on deaf ears.

Yeah you would clearly know nothing about it ya big ham :P Only work on the things every day.


We get a fair few calls about the issue in work and some are having difficulty dealing with the dealers. Perhaps (probably) some of the dealers are less than helpful and some are very helpful indeed. I would suggest to the OP to try dealing with another Nissan dealer to see if you have a more positive experience with them. I doubt they'll give any more money buy they might be more willing to help you, explain more of what is happening etc.

J.pilkington

CianRyan wrote: »

Yep, go ahead and disregard my opinion because I work in a garage that services Nissans. It's not like a Nissan mechanic would know anything about Nissans. :rolleyes:
Well, I hope for my managers sake none of you live near to where I work, to date we've had nothing but pleasant customers with this issue.

I'm out of this conversation anyway, anything I have to say seems to be wasted on deaf ears.

Hang on a second, you are the one who made an amateur comment stating that compensation should equal the current market value of Navaras on DoneDeal so esessintally the customer who has been fecked over by Nissans shocking production standards should accept the scrap / diminished value

It's like saying pyrite affected home owners compensation should be based on the open market value of other pyrite affected houses and not a proper house which wasn't built with pyrite and in the process they suck up the lost value attributed to the pyrite.

You haven't addressed this point at all

Customer service ain't as great as you make out, google it / check out the post above / check out the farming forum here, plenty of pissed off owners with well minded Navaras falling apart and dealers fobbing them off.

Maybe the gap between reality and how you see it is related to the feelings of pissed off owners not filtering through from Nissan sales / warranty staff to the Nissan mechanics

porsche boy

Kat1170 wrote:

None of them had to change their whole corporate identity because their name became synonymous with RUST.

Kat1170 wrote:

DATSUN =====> NISSAN

They were two separate companies that merged. Nothing to do with rust or poor build.

porsche boy

CianRyan wrote:

I'm out of this conversation anyway, anything I have to say seems to be wasted on deaf ears.

Their not deaf. Your just upsetting them with your lies, them Navaras that have been on a farm since day 1 are all spotless and worth at least 5 grand more then a new one. Away with your 'lies' and 'experience'.

I'm out too!

166man

J.pilkington wrote: »

Hang on a second, you are the one who made an amateur comment stating that compensation should equal the current market value of Navaras on DoneDeal so esessintally the customer who has been fecked over by Nissans shocking production standards should accept the scrap / diminished value

It's like saying pyrite affected home owners compensation should be based on the open market value of other pyrite affected houses and not a proper house which wasn't built with pyrite and in the process they suck up the lost value attributed to the pyrite.

You haven't addressed this point at all

Customer service ain't as great as you make out, google it / check out the post above / check out the farming forum here, plenty of pissed off owners with well minded Navaras falling apart and dealers fobbing them off.

Maybe the gap between reality and how you see it is related to the feelings of pissed off owners not filtering through from Nissan sales / warranty staff to the Nissan mechanics

Hold on your horses there. Or should that be get off that big horse you're riding on..

Anyway, the chap works for a main dealer as a mechanic, he has a fair right to a valid opinion here as opposed to toeing the corporate line. Do you work for Nissan? Do you own a Navara that was affected? how did you get treated?

I await your answer, otherwise you're throwing around a lot of brown here for someone with no experience (unlike other posters here).

MetzgerMeister

J.pilkington wrote: »

You need to educate yourself of the extent of the rust/ destruction. This is not a little surface rust on a wing. These 4by4s are dangerous.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1hijOHhB3Q

Also a 90s bla bla car is a hell of a lot older than a 2008 4by4.

CianRyan wrote: »

Hahaha, mate I work in a Nissan main dealer. I know how bad the rust issue is.
Fine then, take the NB MX5 as early as the mid 2000's with the same issue. Cassis rusting from the inside our, no major recall or compensation offered.

J.pilkington wrote: »

Ahh now your reply makes sense! Toeing the corporate line:rolleyes:

VeVeX wrote: »

Compensation? They're buying back cars because they made a hames of it rather than risking a flurry of legal action. Subsequently why anyone with even the slightest degree of intelligence would opt for a new Navara is beyond me, even at a discount. It would be like catching your finger in a door then doing it a second time to see if it was less painful.

CianRyan wrote: »

Yep, go ahead and disregard my opinion because I work in a garage that services Nissans. It's not like a Nissan mechanic would know anything about Nissans. :rolleyes:
Well, I hope for my managers sake none of you live near to where I work, to date we've had nothing but pleasant customers with this issue.

I'm out of this conversation anyway, anything I have to say seems to be wasted on deaf ears.

J.pilkington wrote: »

Hang on a second, you are the one who made an amateur comment stating that compensation should equal the current market value of Navaras on DoneDeal so esessintally the customer who has been fecked over by Nissans shocking production standards should accept the scrap / diminished value

It's like saying pyrite affected home owners compensation should be based on the open market value of other pyrite affected houses and not a proper house which wasn't built with pyrite and in the process they suck up the lost value attributed to the pyrite.

You haven't addressed this point at all

Customer service ain't as great as you make out, google it / check out the post above / check out the farming forum here, plenty of pissed off owners with well minded Navaras falling apart and dealers fobbing them off.

Maybe the gap between reality and how you see it is related to the feelings of pissed off owners not filtering through from Nissan sales / warranty staff to the Nissan mechanics

166man wrote: »

Hold on your horses there. Or should that be get off that big horse you're riding on..

Anyway, the chap works for a main dealer as a mechanic, he has a fair right to a valid opinion here as opposed to toeing the corporate line. Do you work for Nissan? Do you own a Navara that was affected? how did you get treated?

I await your answer, otherwise you're throwing around a lot of brown here for someone with no experience (unlike other posters here).

That'll do lads, back on topic please.

J.pilkington

166man wrote: »

Hold on your horses there. Or should that be get off that big horse you're riding on..

Anyway, the chap works for a main dealer as a mechanic, he has a fair right to a valid opinion here as opposed to toeing the corporate line. Do you work for Nissan? Do you own a Navara that was affected? how did you get treated?

I await your answer, otherwise you're throwing around a lot of brown here for someone with no experience (unlike other posters here).

Look i appreciate you are backing up your mate but his initial post was dismissive of the fact that Nissan messed up big time (check out the YouTube video I posted, as I said we are not talking about surface rust on the wing of a 15 year old car like your mate wants us to believe) and Nissan are not owning up to a serious production issue and fairly compensating the owners.

I challenged him on the point he made regarding the compensation amount only then was a disclosure made that he works for Nissan.

What car I drive is not relevant here. This is a motoring discussion board where all motoring topics can be discussed / debated.

Anyways I am joining your mate and bowing out of this topic before more reinforcements are sent in.

Kind regards

CianRyan

I know I said I was out but just for my own credibility, I mentioned in my first post in this thread that I work in a Nissan garage.
And for the record, I do not work for Nissan Ireland (because obviously I work in a dealer) and Nissan Ireland are not the same Business as Nissan Europe. They are a private venture in Ireland and are not involved in manufacture. FYI.

MetzgerMeister

Both out? Lovely

CianRyan

Yes, sorry. I'm unsubbing this thread. That just irked me!

Kat1170

porsche boy wrote: »

They were two separate companies that merged. Nothing to do with rust or poor build.

No they were not. Nissan always 'owned' the Datsun brand. Datsun was just another name for Nissan in certain markets, most notably the US.

porsche boy

Kat1170 wrote:

No they were not. Nissan always 'owned' the Datsun brand. Datsun was just another name for Nissan in certain markets, most notably the US.

Wrong.
Separate companies. Google is your friend.

/my participation in this thread of 50k second hand Navara's and posters that don't research.

Kat1170

porsche boy wrote: »

They were two separate companies that merged. Nothing to do with rust or poor build.

porsche boy wrote: »

Wrong.
Separate companies. Google is your friend.

/my participation in this thread of 50k second hand Navara's and posters that don't research.

You might want to do a bit of research yourself, they merged way back in 1933*, so to claim that as the reason for the name change in the 80's is stretching it a bit.

*From Wikipedia ....

In 1931, DAT Jidosha Seizo became affiliated with Tobata Casting, and was merged into Tobata Casting in 1933. As Tobata Casting was a Nissan company, this was the beginning of Nissan's automobile manufacturing.

Nissan Motor founded in 1934
In 1934, Aikawa separated the expanded automobile parts division of Tobata Casting and incorporated it as a new subsidiary, which he named Nissan Motor Co., Ltd.

You've left this thread so many times you must be getting dizzy at this stage :rolleyes:

porsche boy

Kat1170 wrote:

No they were not. Nissan always 'owned' the Datsun brand. Datsun was just another name for Nissan in certain markets, most notably the US.

Note the above, your claim that Nissan ALWAYS 'OWNED' Datsun. This claim is wrong and I corrected you on it.

Kat1170 wrote:

You might want to do a bit of research yourself, they merged way back in 1933*, so to claim that as the reason for the name change in the 80's is stretching it a bit.

Now you acknowledge the truth. I don't need to research a company I worked for for years. I never claimed any reason for any name change in the 80's. As far as I was concerned it was to do with streamlining the corporate image. It was you who suggested it was to do with rust. I claim nothing beyond knowledge on this subject of which I have had to educate you on.

To be brutally honest I was just trying to set you straight without being too offensive, I can see now that in your mind your still right. Honestly, I have a wife that I can argue with if I want.

MetzgerMeister

Second warning chaps.

The thread has gone so far off track you'd need a Navara to reach it.

questions for days

Well Rebel OC.
I suffered the same fate as you 3 weeks ago. Mine is an '07. Failed the DOE as well.
Brought the wagon to the dealer for the inspection etc etc.
There has been no word back out Nissan Ireland since, trying to call them gets nothing more than a receptionist service. Really annoying.
Just wondering if you have heard anything back yourself?
I was trying to follow the thread there but it got a little off point. . .

VeVeX

questions for days wrote: »

Well Rebel OC.
I suffered the same fate as you 3 weeks ago. Mine is an '07. Failed the DOE as well.
Brought the wagon to the dealer for the inspection etc etc.
There has been no word back out Nissan Ireland since, trying to call them gets nothing more than a receptionist service. Really annoying.
Just wondering if you have heard anything back yourself?
I was trying to follow the thread there but it got a little off point. . .

The jist of it is -
You're not alone, most D40 Navaras suffer from some form of chassis rot, a manufacturing/design fault.
Nissan are buying back the vehicles to be subsequently scrapped. But rather than doing a blanket and transparent recall they're dealing with owners on a case by case basis through their dealer network.