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The Walking Dead | Season 7 | Episode 1 | The Day Will Come [AMC] [SPOILERS]

  • 20-10-2016 7:51pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,101 ✭✭✭


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    The Walking Dead - Season 7

    Episode 1 - "The Day Will Come When You Won't Be"

    Airdate - October 23rd on AMC at 9/8c | October 24th on FOX UK at 9PM
    As the members of the group remain helpless, Negan takes action that will forever haunt those who survive.

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    Sneak Peek (Watch at your own peril!)




    *NO SPOILERS ON NEGANS KILL UNTIL THE EPISODE HAS AIRED*



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,050 ✭✭✭✭The Talking Bread


    8
    Me tomorrow morning to avoid being spoiled!! (although I have already been privy to the supposed spoiler)

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    Damn the producers and ruining the scene by ending it like that on finale.

    I have AMC but can't stay up until 3am unfortunately.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭thegreengoblin


    9
    Me tomorrow morning to avoid being spoiled!! (although I have already been privy to the supposed spoiler)

    6f18f1cb2f5394362ff6d27ac64d3f69.gif

    Damn the producers and ruining the scene by ending it like that on finale.

    I have AMC but can't stay up until 3am unfortunately.

    Been wondering how they can possibly recapture the tension and drama from where we left it. Simple answer is they can't! But so looking forward to this, just cos I'm interested to see how different they do it from the comics, if at all. I recall Scott Gimple saying they were going to go 'left field' which kind of concerns me.

    Anyway I don't start work until later in the day so I'll wake up, drop the kids to school and then it's action stations!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,050 ✭✭✭✭The Talking Bread


    8
    Been wondering how they can possibly recapture the tension and drama from where we left it. Simple answer is they can't! But so looking forward to this, just cos I'm interested to see how different they do it from the comics, if at all. I recall Scott Gimple saying they were going to go 'left field' which kind of concerns me.

    Anyway I don't start work until later in the day so I'll wake up, drop the kids to school and then it's action stations!

    not a spoiler for who gets killed but how the episode format "apparently" is
    a mixture of present, flashbacks and "futuristic dream sequences" (Rick imagining an idealistic future where EVERYONE is sitting around a table eating or something!!

    The whole thing is spoiled for me now. It's so annoying! In an era of social media and fanatical spoiler fans, to think they could hide such a massive and legendary scene from fans for 5 months or whatever it was is stup1d!

    Nevertheless I will still enjoy it and I envy ye who don't have a clue yet!

    PLEASE AVOID INTERNET UNTIL YOU SEE THE EPISODE!! You have got this far!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭thegreengoblin


    9
    not a spoiler for who gets killed but how the episode format "apparently" is
    a mixture of present, flashbacks and "futuristic dream sequences" (Rick imagining an idealistic future where EVERYONE is sitting around a table eating or something!!

    The whole thing is spoiled for me now. It's so annoying! In an era of social media and fanatical spoiler fans, to think they could hide such a massive and legendary scene from fans for 5 months or whatever it was is stup1d!

    Nevertheless I will still enjoy it and I envy ye who don't have a clue yet!

    PLEASE AVOID INTERNET UNTIL YOU SEE THE EPISODE!! You have got this far!!!

    I honestly haven't a clue. I've somehow avoided it even though I have come across the usual clickbait headlines, etc. But you're right, no point in having it ruined at this stage so I'm logging off. I'll read your spoiler after the show and see how it went!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,050 ✭✭✭✭The Talking Bread


    8
    Yeah, a certain FB page released practically everything that happens 2 days ago! Maybe they are wrong, but they are 99% accurrate with their spoilers. Twitter went into overdrive after.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,380 ✭✭✭sonofenoch


    Fox listing the 1st ep at 2.30 am later?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,101 ✭✭✭NUTZZ


    8
    sonofenoch wrote: »
    Fox listing the 1st ep at 2.30 am later?

    Family Guy is listed at that time, first airing is 9pm Monday night in the UK.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,205 ✭✭✭Lucas Hood


    9
    NUTZZ wrote: »
    Family Guy is listed at that time, first airing is 9pm Monday night in the UK.

    It's on at 2.30 am on fox. Family guy finishes just before it.

    So says my TV guide anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,159 ✭✭✭mrkiscool2


    3
    So annoyed right now, which is all I will say until afterwards.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,159 ✭✭✭mrkiscool2


    3
    EVEN MORE ANNOYED NOW! FCUKS SAKE!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,243 ✭✭✭discobeaker


    Holy fcuk.... Watching it on AMC now and wow... That was tough to watch.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,205 ✭✭✭Lucas Hood


    9
    Lucas Hood wrote: »
    It's on at 2.30 am on fox. Family guy finishes just before it.

    So says my TV guide anyway.

    Its on now.

    Watching on amc though. Bleeding adverts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,159 ✭✭✭mrkiscool2


    3
    Jesus fcuking Christ. Don't read this if you haven't seen this yet right!


    I hated this episode, absolutely despised it. There are so many good things in it to be honest, but the way they executed the killings (should have been killing, but of course not, cause fcuk the comic book fans right?) and the aftermath ruined this episode for me.

    Positives before I move into the actual reason I hated the episode
    • The suspense was actually good, I really enjoyed it. Getting the POV from Rick was very good indeed.
    • The trip in the RV with Negan trying to break Rick was good (we'll talk more about that soon, it was nothing on the comic)
    • The actors were brilliant. Negan was fantastic once again.

    Now, onto to the negatives. What the actual fcuk was that? Firstly, they killed off one of the most interesting characters in the whole thing. Abraham in the show vs Abraham in the comics is so different. I was always indifferent to Abraham in the comics but I loved him in the show. He was absolutely amazing, Michael was an amazing actor and he was so interesting, they could have done so much with him. But no, lets just kill him off when he starts to get good, especially when there are so many other sh1tty characters there! Sure tis grand!

    Secondly, the reason that this is such an iconic moment in the comics is that it is so brutal and such a huge blow to the gang that there is no need for anything else! Dragging Rick away to make him break, having him pick up the axe to chop off Carl's arm, it actually isn't needed in the comics, because Rick realises he is powerless and can do nothing. That's what makes it so iconic (as well as Glenn's eyeball popping out, which I am glad they kept in, and his mushed head after, which I am also glad they stayed in). But they couldn't do that, noooo, they couldn't follow what is one of the most iconic comic moments of all time (up there with Doomsday killing Superman, all of the Killing Joke etc) and just keep it the way it was. Fcuk that! It's so easy to follow!

    And then, they don't keep in another extremely iconic moment. Maggie smacking Rick in the face and calling him a coward. That adds even more poignancy to the moment, but of course they leave that out. Blah

    The thing is, it should have been a great episode. There are a lot of things I like, but they over-used the moment, went about things the completely wrong way and spit on one of the most iconic moments of comic book history. So annoyed right now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    9
    I thought that was extremely well made, the acting was fantastic and tension unbearable. It was very hard to watch in parts if you've watched the show since the beginning, it was also believable how Negan wore Rick and the rest of the group down.

    Voted a ten one of the best episodes ever, I didn't expect this level of shock, it may be different from comic book readers perspectives.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 349 ✭✭malcy


    That was brutal.

    I was right in my guess but didn't realise Glenn would go in such a violent fashion. Some very graphic imagery tonight. It's different when it's a walkers head getting bashed in. Bit more unsettling when it's a long standing character. Thought they might have veered away from killing off Glenn in a bid to stray from the comics more. Especially since they left such a wait to find out who died with his comic death(not that there was anything funny about it ;) ) being a bit obvious as to what would probably happen. Looking forward to the aftermath of it all. A couple of slow character episodes are needed now more than ever. I wonder when they bump Negan off will it be Rick who does kill him. Would like to see it being Maggie who gets that privilege.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,451 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    9
    Been wondering how they can possibly recapture the tension and drama from where we left it. Simple answer is they can't! But so looking forward to this, just cos I'm interested to see how different they do it from the comics, if at all. I recall Scott Gimple saying they were going to go 'left field' which kind of concerns me.

    Anyway I don't start work until later in the day so I'll wake up, drop the kids to school and then it's action stations!

    Well they recaptured the tension and drama for sure, even more so than the finale IMO. I was sure Glenn was a goner before the season started but then I actually thought he was safe for minute or 2. It's all daryls fault! Cue another season of him brooding silently. Not too fussed about Abraham TBH.

    Also, I find it weird that they can show such graphic violence - bashed in heads, eyeballs hanging out etc but they can't say the f word!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,571 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


    9
    Not something to watch while having breakfast. Amazing TV though.

    Great work by Andrew Lincoln.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 537 ✭✭✭clever user name


    8
    I thankfully avoided any spoilers, so I had no clue who was gonna get the bat...apart from coming to my own (semi-accurate) conclusions. Great episode all in all. The acting was amazing, that is certainly something The Walking Dead rarely falls short on.

    I didn't expect the deaths to be shown to such an extent. So much so that I literally just sat there and stared blankly at the screen while it was happening, was weird. The only time I actually opened my mouth throughout the whole episode was when Daryl slogged Negan. I promptly let out resounding 'Oh for f**k sake'.

    I'll give the production team some props, they managed to build up tension beforehand without overdoing it (IMO).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭Robsweezie


    They'll have to put glenns name back up on that wall:-(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭Dandelion6


    As a non-comic reader I thought that was extremely well done. Very disturbing, and clever in how we all thought it was going to be Glenn, then were relieved that it wasn't, and then it was.

    Was there a continuity error with the blood on Rosita's cheek or did I just not notice it earlier?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 799 ✭✭✭Indie18


    7
    I gave an 8, thought it was very good but some disappointments, mainly the lack of Negan's potty mouth ha.

    I was kind of hoping Negan would take Ricks hand too,

    Loving Jeffrey Dean Morgan, can't wait to see more of Negan, I feel there could be a clear out of a lot of minor characters this season to and hopefully a couple more big one's to make way for some new ones.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,058 ✭✭✭Unearthly


    9
    Thought that was excellent and I usually criticise walking dead. Excellent acting, kept you guessing all episode and I wasn't expecting a second death. Glad they didn't make Rick chop the arm off as thats all kinds of ****ed up


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,912 ✭✭✭Washout


    9
    That was the most traumatic thing I have ever seen on TV.
    Andrew Lincoln was excellent. you really sensed his anguish.

    That arm chop scene was so tense i had to look away.

    10/10 for me


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭Subacio


    6
    I don't think Rick is broken just yet. The way he looked at the walker at the end suggested that the walkers are no longer the enemy. Revenge is a dish best served cold, and all that.

    Good episode overall. I'm just glad it's back.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,275 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    9
    I loved it, held me completely fixated in its entirety.

    I also don't think Rick is beaten, but he knows there is nothing he can do right now, and the best course of action to keep his people safe is to go along with Negans demands. There is literally no alternative right now that does not involve certain death for everybody.

    Wonder whats going to happen with Daryl, jesus what an episode!

    I loved the way they did it, perfectly plausible way of breaking that group too.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,380 ✭✭✭sonofenoch


    Where was the baby throughout all this or have I missed/forgotten something from the end of the last series


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭Marcus Antonius


    7
    Got an 8 from myself. Was a great episode but the comics were so much better in dealing with the whole situation. Negan was also better in the comics. The actor has done a great job but it was excessive that they had to do about a 100 things to break Rick and the gang in the show! Was just a bit too excessive surely they could have stopped after the kill. The gang were broken, or should have been. Was tough watching Rick be the b*tch for a change but again as I said having read the comics again recently I knew what was coming. So again a solid 8


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭thegreengoblin


    9
    Jesus Christ that was unreal. It was very tough to watch in parts, and I'd almost say they went too far. Almost! For a few horrible seconds I genuinely thought they'd make Rick cut Carl's arm off but there would have been an awful outcry if that happened...you'd be into torture porn territory with that!

    But the way they conveyed the sense of brutal terrifying suspense was something else. As I said in a pre-show post I didn't see how they could recapture that but they did it as well as could be expected.

    I disagree with the earlier comments about Abraham. I won't miss him that much as I thought they had made a bit of a mess of his character compared to the comics, I thought he was a bit cartoonish at times. But what a way to exit.

    As for Glenn...it had to happen. it was too big a moment in the comic. Which brings me to my concerns about the 'left field' direction they had promised. I was 100 per cent convinced this would mean we'd get an extra death and so it turned out. But it meant that Glenn's death didn't have the impact it should have had...how could it when we had already seen Abraham killed? Having said that, I know people who had said they wouldn't be too bothered if it wasn't one of the original gang who got killed so it probably did have a huge impact for non-comic readers anyway.

    I agree with the comment from Mrkiscool2 that the Rick/Negan/fetch my axe scenes were unnecessary as Rick had already seen two of his friends butchered so going straight from that to Carl's arm thing would have sufficed. But that scene of Rick lying on the top of the RV crying his eyes out was done very well.

    Overall that was horrific and unbearable and highly emotional, and it will stay with me for a long while. I'll say it one more time that if they had condensed this one and the finale into one then it would have been more emotionally powerful. We've clearly reached peak grim with the show, so it will be interesting to see how Rick and Maggie in particular pick themselves up after this.

    P.S. Anyone notice one of Negan's men taking the obligatory polaroids to hang up on the wall? :pac: That scene where Glenn saw the polaroid collection was as good as confirmation that it would be him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 687 ✭✭✭DakarVert


    9
    sonofenoch wrote: »
    Where was the baby throughout all this or have I missed/forgotten something from the end of the last series

    Back in Alexandria with Carol I think.

    Gave this a 10, Suck my nuts!

    Breakdown of Rick was very well down, Set up nicely for the season now.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,464 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    8
    Damn that was hard to watch I had known who dies thanks to one of my wanker facebook friends, but still very hard to watch, I was sure Karl was going to lose the arm the stress of watching that scene! The scene of Rick imagining the happy ever after with Abraham and Glen with his sun on his lap brought a tear to my eye!
    Fantastic Tv with but a very hard watch :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,058 ✭✭✭Unearthly


    9

    P.S. Anyone notice one of Negan's men taking the obligatory polaroids to hang up on the wall? :pac: That scene where Glenn saw the polaroid collection was as good as confirmation that it would be him.

    Yeah bit of a dark humour moment with the group completely broken and shattered in the forefront and a guy in background taking a photo as if he is on holidays looking at a tourist attraction.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,122 ✭✭✭✭Jimmy Bottlehead


    9
    Holy ****. Wow.

    As everyone has said, that was a tough watch.

    I was losing my temper when they kept skipping around who it was at the start of the episode... Then when Abraham met Lucille, it felt like such an expected cop-out. I may have called the writers pussies at this point for taking the easy option.

    But then when Negan cracked Glenn, my jaw dropped. I think I actually muttered "no way" in disbelief. The eye pop, the brain damaged babbling... And then the scene with Carl's arm.

    I criticise the show a lot, but they got it absolutely on the money this time. Superb episode.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,050 ✭✭✭✭The Talking Bread


    8
    Christ, those spoiler guys got it all bang on, sadly, right to the "dinner dream" sequence scene. Must be an inside leak which is pathetic.
    Still, knowing it all, it was still brilliant, and in a way, albeit still p1ssed with the way they finished last season, it worked very well as a standalone episode. Perhaps they could've killed Abraham in the finale and then we had the twisted twist with him deciding to kill Glenn as well.

    Obviously they have to curtail the swearing (I think they are allowed only one or two "f**ks" on some Primetime tv shows, post 10pm they have a bit more lee way) Sh1t is only now becoming more commonplace.
    And I couldn't be listening to fe*K, far too Fr. Jack!

    The gruesomness of the bloodied Abe and Glenn was almost on point with the comic's depiction of Glenn, fair play. Maybe a small shot of Glenns head post beating would've been appreciated to really hit the scene home.

    Wasn't too enamoured with the "trip sequence". It just felt a bit, "lets heighten the action a bit". I guess it worked to show how f**ked up Ricks mind is right now.

    Corrrall's calmness was just a bit too overdone. Didn't translate on screen as well as in nthe comics. I know he is hardened in his mindset and courage but to barely flinch seemed a bit unnatural.

    Not sure what else you can say. I imagine knowing what happened for a while now probably has me in a different mentality than most right now!

    I was thinking there may be some sort of flashback scene or two of Glenn's life pre virus finally but I'm glad there wasn't. We didn't really need any answers to how he became who he is as he is, in essence, just the normal uncomplicated guy of the series. Can't imagine there would be need for any depiction of "who he was before".

    All in all, in the top 10 (maybe even 5) episodes of the series so far.

    Its going to be an epic season. They also haven't made Neagan as cartoonish as I feared they may, his various reactions, humour, mindgames and playacting weren't over the top to make it silly season.

    That Dwight really is a c u next Tuesday. Again, they have done a good job depicting him.

    So p1ssed I had an early morning and couldn't stay up! But the Spanish subtitles on the Youtube video didn't bother me too much!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 504 ✭✭✭terryduff12


    3
    I know what Rick main item will be when he is scavenging is toothpaste and teeth whitening products to make Negan look so pretty. Haven't seen such white teeth in a long time. They must have a good dentist where he comes from.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,761 ✭✭✭✭degrassinoel


    5
    So far as a villain, i like Negan, but he's no Governor.

    Gruesome episode visually but not much happened in reality.
    Glen and Abraham beaten to death by Negan.
    Flashbacks.
    Rick's group dominated and absorbed by Negan's.
    Daryl held hostage by Negan.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,268 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    Indie18 wrote: »
    I gave an 8, thought it was very good but some disappointments, mainly the lack of Negan's potty mouth ha.

    I was kind of hoping Negan would take Ricks hand too,

    Loving Jeffrey Dean Morgan, can't wait to see more of Negan, I feel there could be a clear out of a lot of minor characters this season to and hopefully a couple more big one's to make way for some new ones.

    American TV is weird. You can show a guy getting his skull caved in with a bat and the aftermath where his eye is hanging out of his head but you can't say "Fúck" or I presume "dick/cock" judging by Abraham's "Suck my nuts." line.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 799 ✭✭✭Indie18


    7
    J. Marston wrote: »
    American TV is weird. You can show a guy getting his skull caved in with a bat and the aftermath where his eye is hanging out of his head but you can't say "Fúck" or I presume "dick/cock" judging by Abraham's "Suck my nuts." line.

    Does seem quite silly alright, but I've long sine stopped trying to figure out the Americans ha.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,348 ✭✭✭✭ricero


    6
    Gotta say if he show had any balls they would kill of daryl dixon


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,275 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    9
    Why?

    Plenty of story left for Daryl, losing Glenn is a massive blow for a lot of the fans, I think they lessened the shock factor a little by having Abraham meet Lucille first (she is a dirty girl) but Glenn was a big part of the show and a fan favourite. No need to kill Daryl just for the sake of it ala G RR Martin.

    I felt Abrahams arc had ended really, he was a safe enough one to take out, Glenn has a wife, love, a baby on the way etc and he has always been the everyman of the show, he retained most of his humanity and he has been brutally murdered. I don't think they will have any trouble bumping off Daryl when he runs out of road.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,050 ✭✭✭✭The Talking Bread


    8
    ricero wrote: »
    Gotta say if he show had any balls they would kill of daryl dixon

    Why? They killed off 2 main characters that the audience were very attached to in fairness. Definitely not a cop out. And the aftermath of both their deaths will have big impact on fellow characters just as much really. Especially Glenn. Maggie as a character was stuck in a rut with her relationship with Glenn of late so her future stories will be a lot more interesting. Likewise Rosita and Sash and even Abraham.

    Killing off Daryll for the sake of it would obviously have a huge impact for a while but the dynamics of Glenn and even Abraham departing would be bigger in long run with Maggie pregnant for example and her character going a new direction.

    Daryll has so much more to offer than Glenn so balancing pros and cons, as well as allowing the show to progress in similar fashion to the comics, they made correct choice in my view.

    Glenn has been there the whole way and Abe has been a big presence of late so it's not as if they are "cop out" killings at all.

    But Glenn''s time has kind of come now and there is so much more Daryll can give.


    Also Daryll is the shows most popular character, the amount of obsessive Daryll fans are huge so I'm sure on the balance of things losing him would have frustrated a large segment of the viewers!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,050 ✭✭✭✭The Talking Bread


    8
    Why?

    Plenty of story left for Daryl, losing Glenn is a massive blow for a lot of the fans, I think they lessened the shock factor a little by having Abraham meet Lucille first (she is a dirty girl) but Glenn was a big part of the show and a fan favourite. No need to kill Daryl just for the sake of it ala G RR Martin.

    I felt Abrahams arc had ended really, he was a safe enough one to take out, Glenn has a wife, love, a baby on the way etc and he has always been the everyman of the show, he retained most of his humanity and he has been brutally murdered. I don't think they will have any trouble bumping off Daryl when he runs out of road.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,032 ✭✭✭homerun_homer


    6
    It was a good episode but I'm still annoyed at their cop out from leaving this as a cliff hanger. The finale was tense and should have had a kill shown at the end to leave you stone cold until it returned. Leaving it for people to wait and see was just stupid. I know it was to keep people talking and try get a ratings winner for season 7 but they need to stop that nonsense.

    Ideally they would have shown Abraham get a battering in the finale and cut to black. Then do the rest of what they did here in this episode when fans would think that may have been the only kill. The showrunners said the episode would open with whoever getting killed while we waited between seasons but I knew they'd cop out on that. You'd swear they feared that fans would see who got killed and then switch off. There was no need to cut forward and flashback, it didn't create better drama or tension. It was like one more middle finger raised to the audience saying "we're gonna keep you waiting just a little bit longer".

    Carl was a bit too bravado after seeing all that unfold. I can't imagine anyone, let alone Caaaaarrrruhll, being ready to man up against Negan right then and there. Why couldn't they have him in tears at least as he told Rick to cut off his arm. This show could have some way better dramatic moments if they knew how to do it right.

    The deaths were suitably disturbing and a welcome change to the usual zombie bashing. The Negan/Rick journey was a bit hit/miss. What was Rick doing jumping to the hanging zombie? How did Rick not get bitten on the feet/lower legs as he dangled there or as he climbed the Winnebago?

    Still, it was a good episode but marred for me still by how they set things up with how they left it last season. The showrunners need to look at Game of Thrones, not every season needs to leave you hanging.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 335 ✭✭sassa


    9
    Just rewatching it again and noticed michonne doesn't move at all during the first death. I'm thinking that she was too afraid of negans orders to his men would be carried out and she wanted to save carl.
    Thought it was a fantastic episode and for me it made up for the ending last season. Andrew Lincoln gave a fantastic performance, his sobbing when
    Negan ordered him to cut off carls arm or everyone would die
    really made that scene.
    looking forward to the rest of the season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,541 ✭✭✭duridian


    9
    Gave it a 10 but only because I couldn't find the 19.
    I was almost in shock from how brutal they were going. I have read all the comics and know the score but seeing it with live actors, I don't think I was really so ready as I thought I was.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,050 ✭✭✭✭The Talking Bread


    8
    Why? They killed off 2 main characters that the audience were very attached to in fairness. Definitely not a cop out. And the aftermath of both their deaths will have big impact on fellow characters just as much really. Especially Glenn. Maggie as a character was stuck in a rut with her relationship with Glenn of late so her future stories will be a lot more interesting. Likewise Rosita and Sash and even Abraham.

    Killing off Daryll for the sake of it would obviously have a huge impact for a while but the dynamics of Glenn and even Abraham departing would be bigger in long run with Maggie pregnant for example and her character going a new direction.

    Daryll has so much more to offer than Glenn so balancing pros and cons, as well as allowing the show to progress in similar fashion to the comics, they made correct choice in my view.

    Glenn has been there the whole way and Abe has been a big presence of late so it's not as if they are "cop out" killings at all.

    But Glenn''s time has kind of come now and there is so much more Daryll can give.


    Also Daryll is the shows most popular character, the amount of obsessive Daryll fans are huge so I'm sure on the balance of things losing him would have frustrated a large segment of the viewers!

    Sorry, meant Eugene!


  • Subscribers Posts: 32,858 ✭✭✭✭5starpool


    9
    That was a bit of a holy shítballs episode. I thought for a few mins they had copped out on the Glenn thing when Abraham was ruined first. They just decided to delay his death by a short while from how it happened in the comics. I really enjoyed how it played out anyhow. It was certainly a bit different from the comics, but it was very well done.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,380 ✭✭✭sonofenoch


    DakarVert wrote: »
    Back in Alexandria with Carol I think.

    Gave this a 10, Suck my nuts!

    Breakdown of Rick was very well down, Set up nicely for the season now.

    Could have sworn she was with that group in the final ep of series 6.....must be wrong


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,050 ✭✭✭✭The Talking Bread


    8
    sonofenoch wrote: »
    Where was the baby throughout all this or have I missed/forgotten something from the end of the last series

    Fr Gabriel was handed the baby by Rick before he left to mind her while he and Carl and the rest went.

    Carol and Morgan were rescued by Ezekiel's men (in the armoured gear) in the finale after Carol got shot and brought to their place.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,451 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    9
    Why?

    Plenty of story left for Daryl, losing Glenn is a massive blow for a lot of the fans, I think they lessened the shock factor a little by having Abraham meet Lucille first (she is a dirty girl) but Glenn was a big part of the show and a fan favourite. No need to kill Daryl just for the sake of it ala G RR Martin.

    I felt Abrahams arc had ended really, he was a safe enough one to take out, Glenn has a wife, love, a baby on the way etc and he has always been the everyman of the show, he retained most of his humanity and he has been brutally murdered. I don't think they will have any trouble bumping off Daryl when he runs out of road.

    I love Daryl but I feel like his character has been pretty stagnant the past couple of seasons. I hope they do something different with him this season, otherwise he might as well go


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,050 ✭✭✭✭The Talking Bread


    8
    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    I love Daryl but I feel like his character has been pretty stagnant the past couple of seasons. I hope they do something different with him this season, otherwise he might as well go

    ha, well he is in a back of a van being brought to a psychopath's lair by an army! I expect there will be a lot of interesting Daryll stuff this season!

    In fairness, no one character really stood out last season. Obviously Rick, Carol and Morgan were the "big personalities" but it was more about laying the foundation for whats to come. It had some great moments but a pretty average season.


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